TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!

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Pilgrimshope

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You're missing a major part of the 'mystery'......The church age. There is neither Jew nor gentile. Anybody who has faith alone in Christ alone in the church age is a new creation, His body, His Bride, His royal family. When the fullness of the Gentiles/His Bride is complete.......He will deal with national Israel. The tribulation.

Another part of the 'mystery?' Romans 11. I will start it for you.....

1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.

23And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? 25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
yeah Paul’s explaining that just like israel was cut off regardless of thier flesh anyone who doesn’t repent can be cut off and he can graft them back in also. He makes that point many times

I don’t think you ever heard what I’m saying or rather what Paul’s saying israel and the gentiles are one group now any israelite who repents and accepts the gospel or any gentile who repents and accepts the gospel that’s the only salvation for anyone Jew or gentile there is no difference all have proven to be sinners

The gospel is what israel was promised would save them if they repent and accept the gospel they also can inherit the kingdom just as any gentile can inherit the kingdom

Jew and gentile are the same to God flesh and blood doesn’t mean a thing anymore

What you’ve quoted there that Paul’s saying is perfectly in line with ot prophecy but doesn’t really fit with what I’m saying or change this part

“Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: and came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: in whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:11-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s all I’m getting at pretty straightforward quoting from Roman’s doesn’t address what Paul’s saying there at all

“which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; that the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭3:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s all saying friend this that you quoted

“Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, ( they rejected Jesus and the fospel )and thou standest by faith.


Be not highminded, but fear: for if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. ( if he cut them off he will cut you off also if e persist in unbekief)?

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭11:20-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If israel repents and accepts the gospel indeed they are included with the f titles and any other israelite who had believed the gospel

a ot really sure how you’ve connected the two
 
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Aaaahhmmm......isn't that precisely what LEGITIMATE Bible scholars SHOULD be endeavoring to do?

Rhetorical question. Because of course it is.
Jesus said his word would bring a sword between brother and sister, so why should anyone's word hold more water than anyone else 🤔

Let's see why would this passage not be apart of the great tribulation
 

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I was raptured 30 years ago and, shortly after, received the mark as one of the 144,000 virgins, and the horsemen were dispatched. The End.
Yup. That is pretty much the typical word salad slop that the village idiots and heretics are trying to feed us around here.

I prefer a solid meat diet per Paul's directive.
 

cv5

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Jesus said his word would bring a sword between brother and sister, so why should anyone's word hold more water than anyone else 🤔

Let's see why would this passage not be apart of the great tribulation
Right. Word. Not word salad.
 

Mem

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Yup. That is pretty much the typical word salad slop that the village idiots and heretics are trying to feed us around here.

I prefer a solid meat diet per Paul's directive.
That's okay. It's a song that only the 144K would know anyway.
 

cv5

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That's okay. It's a song that only the 144K would know anyway.
As far as I know, there are no such things as Christian stand up comedians.
But if there were, you would do well.
 

Mem

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As far as I know, there are no such things as Christian stand up comedians.
But if there were, you would do well.
There are plenty of Christian drama professionals, though I can only think of the label for comedians. What is the other, tragedians?
 

cv5

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What is the other, tragedians?
Take a look around here. They DEFINITELY exist.
Evidently that vocation is big business nowadays.
 

Mem

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Take a look around here. They DEFINITELY exist.
Evidently that vocation is big business nowadays.
Yes, and though the comedian is typically dismissed into the category of fool, the tragedians are the grander of them.
 
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Take a look around here. They DEFINITELY exist.
Evidently that vocation is big business nowadays.
Yes, and though the comedian is typically dismissed into the category of fool, the tragedians are the grander of them.
well not so long ago in fact two pages ago, you had many lashings but didn't learn.

This is what the bible says 😊

And as our friend Cameron says it's all good. 🥳

The saying goes a wise man will take warning but a fool will only learn from 100 lashings..

So now which field have you two just falling into. 😋
 
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Right. Word. Not word salad.
as far as I'm aware your word brings a gravy train.

Where as my word has brought a sword 😊

Because when you deny where in great tribulation, you must be on the gravy train. That's the word salad for today 😊
 

Mem

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well not so long ago in fact two pages ago, you had many lashings but didn't learn.

This is what the bible says 😊

And as our friend Cameron says it's all good. 🥳

The saying goes a wise man will take warning but a fool will only learn from 100 lashings..

So now which field have you two just falling into. 😋
Oh, I'm in the audience most of the time, and a hearer, and...

It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise than to listen to the song of fools. Ecc7:5
 
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Oh, I'm in the audience most of the time, and a hearer, and...

It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise than to listen to the song of fools. Ecc7:5
ah but wise men say only fools rush in

And once again you have 😊
 

Mem

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ah but wise men say only fools rush in

And once again you have 😊
Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him. Proverbs 26:12
Although they claimed themselves to be wise, they became fools. Romans 1:22
 
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Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him. Proverbs 26:12
Although they claimed themselves to be wise, they became fools. Romans 1:22
a fool will continue to lash out folly.
 
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well many scholars believe being raptured before a great tribulation falls into dispensationalism.

Not that I would want to spout folly.

But it seems kinda strange that there should be no good reason for two marks given one on the forehead for believers and one on the wrist for none believers don't you think.
 

Mem

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well many scholars believe being raptured before a great tribulation falls into dispensationalism.

Not that I would want to spout folly.

But it seems kinda strange that there should be no good reason for two marks given one on the forehead for believers and one on the wrist for none believers don't you think.
I must've missed that distinction between the location of the mark. Where is that found?