TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!
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Your being Mr meany to Cameron.
As for what you stick up for yes I agree
But I don't agree Cameron is a heretic or a village idiot.
The only problem he has is he's to kind for his own good at times but that's not a fault, just something people can take advantage of
But hes quite bright and sharp in many aspects he's a good brother in Christ.
As for what you stick up for yes I agree
But I don't agree Cameron is a heretic or a village idiot.
The only problem he has is he's to kind for his own good at times but that's not a fault, just something people can take advantage of
But hes quite bright and sharp in many aspects he's a good brother in Christ.
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Anyone denying what the Bible clearly says: that being Gods perpetual eternal love for Israel and their certain future redemption by Jesus Christ, unequivocally so declared hundreds of times, is no brother of mine.
Why? Because (as I have said several times now), any such doctrinal position is Satanic.
But hey......I'm not the boss of you. Feel free to hook up with any heretical Pied Piper you want.
There are plenty to choose from......
Why? Because (as I have said several times now), any such doctrinal position is Satanic.
But hey......I'm not the boss of you. Feel free to hook up with any heretical Pied Piper you want.
There are plenty to choose from......
You're missing a major part of the 'mystery'......The church age. There is neither Jew nor gentile. Anybody who has faith alone in Christ alone in the church age is a new creation, His body, His Bride, His royal family. When the fullness of the Gentiles/His Bride is complete.......He will deal with national Israel. The tribulation.
Another part of the 'mystery?' Romans 11. I will start it for you.....
1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
23And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? 25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Another part of the 'mystery?' Romans 11. I will start it for you.....
1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
23And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? 25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Wow!
You should read revelation on the bases of it's a chain of events that relates to two passages of time.
Starting mainly from the victorious day of Jesus.
All events since that day are part of the greater trubulation.
Before the victorious day of Jesus there was no real tribulation for individuals.
Satan would easily deceive people, there where no elect in any real amount of people.
The elect are those who are those who turn to Christ because the elect Jesus lives in them.
This is where the Job of satan deceiving people becomes a whole lot harder. Which means the length of which satan will go to will be any means possible to destroy God's new temple.
Which means accusing Gods children day and night.
Did people suffer being accused day and night before the victorious day of Jesus, no they did not.
And if they did it was very limited to say the least.
Why would anyone not recognise this as the battle of Armageddon.
The great trubulation in revelation is a spiritual battle to win souls.
Revelation is also mostly about what the eyes do not see. Why should we fit all this into time lines
And why should those time lines hold more significance over each other.
If there is a rapture before a greater tribulation, then why even be bothered to dispute or even care about a pre trib rapture. Which btw makes absolutely no sense.
The care should be with the battle of souls which is taking place now.
Simply saying no where ok where not in greater tribulation, is believing if you was to be left in the greater tribulation, it must be because I'm evil or something.
Which is absurd because we know great tribulation has come for all Christians
Confirmed here in bold.
Keep awake! Watch at all times. The devil is working against you. He is walking around like a hungry lion with his mouth open. He is looking for someone to eat. 9 Stand against him and be strong in your faith. Remember, other Christians over all the world are suffering the same as you are. 10 After you have suffered for awhile, God Himself will make you perfect. He will keep you in the right way. He will give you strength. He is the God of all loving-favor and has called you through Christ Jesus to share His shining-greatness forever. 11 God has power over all things forever. Let it be so.
By believing where not in great tribulation is only telling people the above is not happening.
It's also saying you may as well drop your Guard.
But most importantly if your not suffering great tribulation it means satan has no need to persecute you because that would mean he had devoured you.
For those who suffer untill to end they fight the great tribulation to the end.
As for our friend @Cameron143
So what if theres been raptures already which there has, the prophet Elijah confirms that.
When Jesus broke open the tombs and the saints where resurrected, that confirms it.
And in a way 144000 confirms it.
And so what if in part the millennium kingdom is here.
Because it is in part, it's in us.
What difference does it make if it's not in full.
So @cv5 and @TheDivineWatermark and others you should stop quarrelling over events only God truly has the answers for. And quit trying to be the teacher who knows all.
You should love you brother not ridicule him.
Because this is what you've done.
Starting mainly from the victorious day of Jesus.
All events since that day are part of the greater trubulation.
Before the victorious day of Jesus there was no real tribulation for individuals.
Satan would easily deceive people, there where no elect in any real amount of people.
The elect are those who are those who turn to Christ because the elect Jesus lives in them.
This is where the Job of satan deceiving people becomes a whole lot harder. Which means the length of which satan will go to will be any means possible to destroy God's new temple.
Which means accusing Gods children day and night.
Did people suffer being accused day and night before the victorious day of Jesus, no they did not.
And if they did it was very limited to say the least.
Why would anyone not recognise this as the battle of Armageddon.
The great trubulation in revelation is a spiritual battle to win souls.
Revelation is also mostly about what the eyes do not see. Why should we fit all this into time lines
And why should those time lines hold more significance over each other.
If there is a rapture before a greater tribulation, then why even be bothered to dispute or even care about a pre trib rapture. Which btw makes absolutely no sense.
The care should be with the battle of souls which is taking place now.
Simply saying no where ok where not in greater tribulation, is believing if you was to be left in the greater tribulation, it must be because I'm evil or something.
Which is absurd because we know great tribulation has come for all Christians
Confirmed here in bold.
Keep awake! Watch at all times. The devil is working against you. He is walking around like a hungry lion with his mouth open. He is looking for someone to eat. 9 Stand against him and be strong in your faith. Remember, other Christians over all the world are suffering the same as you are. 10 After you have suffered for awhile, God Himself will make you perfect. He will keep you in the right way. He will give you strength. He is the God of all loving-favor and has called you through Christ Jesus to share His shining-greatness forever. 11 God has power over all things forever. Let it be so.
By believing where not in great tribulation is only telling people the above is not happening.
It's also saying you may as well drop your Guard.
But most importantly if your not suffering great tribulation it means satan has no need to persecute you because that would mean he had devoured you.
For those who suffer untill to end they fight the great tribulation to the end.
As for our friend @Cameron143
So what if theres been raptures already which there has, the prophet Elijah confirms that.
When Jesus broke open the tombs and the saints where resurrected, that confirms it.
And in a way 144000 confirms it.
And so what if in part the millennium kingdom is here.
Because it is in part, it's in us.
What difference does it make if it's not in full.
So @cv5 and @TheDivineWatermark and others you should stop quarrelling over events only God truly has the answers for. And quit trying to be the teacher who knows all.
You should love you brother not ridicule him.
Because this is what you've done.
Tell your buddy to go ahead and read Hosea. Or at least try.
It probably wouldn't hurt for you to give it a go as well.....
Hosea (name means "Salvation") = God
Gomer = Israel
Solution to the problem of harlotry: marry the harlot Gomer (ISRAEL) AND RESTORE HER.
Hos 2:13
I will punish her (ISRAEL)
For the days of the Baals to which she burned incense.
She decked herself with her earrings and jewelry,
And went after her lovers;
But Me she (ISRAEL) forgot,” says the LORD.
Hos 2:16
“And it shall be, in that day,” (THE DOTL, AT THE SC)
Says the LORD,
“That you (ISRAEL) will call Me ‘My Husband,’ (YHVH JESUS CHRIST)
And no longer call Me ‘My Master,’
It probably wouldn't hurt for you to give it a go as well.....
Hosea (name means "Salvation") = God
Gomer = Israel
Solution to the problem of harlotry: marry the harlot Gomer (ISRAEL) AND RESTORE HER.
Hos 2:13
I will punish her (ISRAEL)
For the days of the Baals to which she burned incense.
She decked herself with her earrings and jewelry,
And went after her lovers;
But Me she (ISRAEL) forgot,” says the LORD.
Hos 2:16
“And it shall be, in that day,” (THE DOTL, AT THE SC)
Says the LORD,
“That you (ISRAEL) will call Me ‘My Husband,’ (YHVH JESUS CHRIST)
And no longer call Me ‘My Master,’
remember the dividing of the nations was because they were rebelling against God before that there was no seperate languages and nations the people were one
Ot because of rebellion he confounds tbier language so they can’t communicate and divides them across the earth
“And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.”
Genesis 11:6-9 KJV
Nt he’s making one people of the nations again bringing all nations back together through the gospel and a common hope
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:28-29 KJV
Nt he’s bringing the language Barriers back down so man can communicate the same message
“And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.”
Acts 2:4-6
Ot because of rebellion he confounds tbier language so they can’t communicate and divides them across the earth
“And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.”
Genesis 11:6-9 KJV
Nt he’s making one people of the nations again bringing all nations back together through the gospel and a common hope
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:28-29 KJV
Nt he’s bringing the language Barriers back down so man can communicate the same message
“And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.”
Acts 2:4-6
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yeah we'll go ahead and read what Ishmeal means
It's means God hears me which also means salvation and it means I will live in hostility with my brother's and I wil be a wild donkey for them.
Which btw if you have ears you will listen.
So whilst your busy looking at words that mean salvation and idolising one word over another.
I will bring you many more words that mean salvation.
To be continued
Have a great day
It's means God hears me which also means salvation and it means I will live in hostility with my brother's and I wil be a wild donkey for them.
Which btw if you have ears you will listen.
So whilst your busy looking at words that mean salvation and idolising one word over another.
I will bring you many more words that mean salvation.
To be continued
Have a great day
I agree that both Enoch and Elijah were raptured. And I believe Christians were raptured in the 1st century before Jerusalem was destroyed. And there may have been others who have been raptured or who will be and just weren't recorded.
What do you believe the purpose of the book of Revelation is?
What do you believe the purpose of the book of Revelation is?
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