TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!

Pilgrimshope · Jan 10, 2024

This ?

“Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD. If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them; then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. ….

But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments; and if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant

that’s what they did repeatedly for centuries )

I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.

And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass: and your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits. And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins. I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate. And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me; then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins. And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭26:1-4, 14-25‬ ‭

Read the first four seals in revelation

And No thanks I don’t want to be here

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,

till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;( Jesus The seed of Abraham ) and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12, 19-

Id rather listen to this the word of my Lord and savior the redeemer of Israel

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I don’t want to be here

“Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I dont want to be blinded like isreal and not see the truth

“and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament;

which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:13-15‬ ‭

i like reading the law a lot but I inderrrsnd im not a child of Jacob instead I’m a child of Abraham the fe her of many nations

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I certainly don’t want to be in this group

“knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-

at he law is a great read and it says a lot out Jesus Christ who would come later and speak Gods word s moses wrote down in his law I’d rather be a Christian than convert to Judaism

Everlasting-Grace · Jan 10, 2024

Cameron143 said:

The abrahamic covenant is an eternal covenant, and still exists today.

God does not just stop keeping his promises. His gifts and calling are irrevocable

land is not fulfilled in Christ. You wrong to think so .

Everlasting-Grace · Jan 10, 2024

Pilgrimshope said:

Yes this, and this has happened 3 times in history

1. Assyria did it to the northern kingdom
2. Babylon did it to the southern kingdom
3. Rome did it to the southern kingdom

Would would I want or even need to read rev? To find out what God did in the past how he kept his promise. Just like Daniel himself in Dan said

As for the rest of your comments. I will no longer respond to people when they tru to being eternal salvation into the context.. The church did not replace the promises of israel..

Why did you stop there? Why is it everytime I try to have a conversation people pick only the part of the passage they think supports them, but ignores the rest?

lev 26:
40 ‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me,

41 and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies;

if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—

42 then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember;

I will remember the land.

Did you know the time of jacob;s trouble or great tribulation is a time on this earth where god brings Israeli to repentance?

Do you think if they repent and do everything God said in lev 26 here that god is not going to restore them to their promise?

My God keeps his promises my friend..

TheDivineWatermark · Jan 10, 2024

Pilgrimshope said:

^ This verse is not speaking of "the Church age" (or similar), as you seem to want to suggest it does.

It is referring to that which started in 605/606bc with King Neb and his "dream / statue / image"... and pertains to "[Jerusalem] TRODDEN DOWN OF" (not "salvation for the Gentiles" here in this context)... Similar to (and related, in part, to) what Jesus had said in Luke 19:42-43 (said TO "Jerusalem"/"the city"), "...the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round [see Lk21:20--70ad events], and keep thee in on every side, And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee..." (the 70ad events only being a portion of the entirety of what this verse speaks to); That's not "Gentiles gettin' saved / hearing the gospel" this CONTEXT in Lk21:24c is speaking about, NO.

[recall Hab1:6,12--where it says of the Chaldeans / Babylonians (i.e. King Neb, et al), "thou hast ordained them [the Chaldeans / Babylonians] FOR / TO EXECUTE JUDGMENT"]

Pilgrimshope said:

In Romans 11:25 it IS speaking of "blindness / a hardening in part is happened to Israel, until the FULNESS of the Gentiles BE COME IN [G1525]"... a completely different matter.
THIS isn't speaking about the "[Jerusalem] TRODDEN DOWN OF the Gentiles" thing, as the OTHER passage in Luke IS referring to (as well as Rev11:2, speaking there of its concluding-portion time-frame... the last of the "beast" stuff before Christ's Second Coming to the earth Rev19, when Dan2:35 takes place and Dan7:[25,]27 and 2Th2:8b--and other related passages).

Cameron143 · Jan 10, 2024

Everlasting-Grace said:

The land portion was already fulfilled...Joshua 21:43. And the meaning for the giving of the land was so God's people had a place to enter into His rest. That, too, is fulfilled in Christ. In fact, all the promises of God are in Him yes, and in Him amen.

Everlasting-Grace · Jan 10, 2024

Cameron143 said:

God said he gave them the land forever throughout all their generations

That means even today.

Lev 26 tells them what they have to do to live int he land. And what will cause God to take them out of the land.. and even says if he takes the out. What to do to get back into the land.

Do you believe God promised you eternal life based on his fulfilling the abrahamic covenant, in you shall all nations of the world be blessed?

Pilgrimshope · Jan 10, 2024

Everlasting-Grace said:

at he law isn’t the covenant made with Abraham or was added after because they were so sinful read Galatians 3 it explains it perfectly

“Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:7-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Abraham’s covenant isn’t the law the law was added four hundred thirty years after the covenant made with Abraham and it was made with the children of Israel not with Abraham Isaac and Jacob

“And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, ( with Abraham )

the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,

till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; ( until Jesus came with Abraham’s covenant promise )

and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:17-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The covenant made through Moses is not Abraham’s covenant it’s the covenant made with the children of Israel Abraham’s descendants. After Isaac and Jacob jacobs children is who the covenant was made with through Moses

abrahams covenant is the one sent to all nations and begins at baptism into Christ Jesus

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Abraham’s covenant is the gospel not the law of Moses that was added in because they were so sinful read the chapter in Galatians it really explains it well

Everlasting-Grace · Jan 10, 2024

Pilgrimshope said:

at he law isn’t the covenant made with Abraham or was added after because they were so sinful read Galatians 3 it explains it perfectly

“Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:7-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Abraham’s covenant isn’t the law the law was added four hundred thirty years after the covenant made with Abraham and it was made with the children of Israel not with Abraham Isaac and Jacob

“And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, ( with Abraham )

the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,

till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; ( until Jesus came with Abraham’s covenant promise )

and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:17-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The covenant made through Moses is not Abraham’s covenant it’s the covenant made with the children of Israel Abraham’s descendants. After Isaac and Jacob jacobs children is who the covenant was made with through Moses

abrahams covenant is the one sent to all nations and begins at baptism into Christ Jesus

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Abraham’s covenant is the gospel not the law of Moses that was added in because they were so sinful read the chapter in Galatians it really explains it well

Non responsive.

This is not about anyones salvation.

the promise of land had nothing to do with anyones salvation..

Lev 26 was given to show them how to live in peace to live in the land that belonged to their fathers, and what would happen if they did not obey

He kept his promise of what he said he would do if they sinned

He will keep his promise if they repent.

You trying to replace israel with the church is nonsensical. And does not fit.. Its NOT a salvation issue, IT NEVER WAS

Pilgrimshope · Jan 10, 2024

TheDivineWatermark said:

God does keep his word indeed some times people refuse to hear it

“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: and when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.

And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes?

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:33-43‬ ‭

Cameron143 · Jan 10, 2024

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Everlasting-Grace said:

Eternal life is in Christ. He was the promised Seed. He fulfilled the promise.
In Joshua 21:43...God's word says the LORD gave to Israel all the land He promised unto their fathers. The use of the word fathers means Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That was the land promised to Abraham and his descendants being fulfilled.
This physical land was a picture of a place where the people of God would find rest and provision. That picture has been fulfilled in a spiritual place where we rest and find provision. That's what Psalm 23 is all about.

Jimbone · Jan 10, 2024

Everlasting-Grace said:

Well when you read Luke at the exact part where Jesus mentions the AoD in Mat, Luke writing to a more gentile audience says "when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies" instead, talking about the exact same thing. Your grammar lesson changes nothing at all about how I see it, in fact I think it strengthens my case. I believe the sacking of Jerusalem in 70ad matches most all words used in the definition.

Everlasting-Grace · Jan 10, 2024

Cameron143 said:

he said forever.

When you tell someone forever. it does not mean until you get it and the promise is fulfilled

it will be fulfilled when forever ends.

I am not worried about some picture

i am worried about those who say god does not keep his promise.

Why did you not answer my question?

Everlasting-Grace · Jan 10, 2024

Jimbone said:

There was no abomination of desolation in ad 70 and even if there was. No one could see it.. Because no one had access to the inside of the temple..

Cameron143 · Jan 10, 2024

Everlasting-Grace said:

Then He broke the promise. Israel hasn't always possessed the land.

Pilgrimshope · Jan 10, 2024

Everlasting-Grace said:

He will keep his promise if they repent.

Um yeah right if they repent and believe the gospel he will keep the promises he made for n his word

“And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

are you saying they need to repent and return to slaughtering animals trying to atone for sins ? stoning one another because someone sinned ? Divorcing wives and remarrying ? find some levites to serve in a man made temple and then Gods going to keep what promise ? He’s lead then into the promised land ? He did that he gave them thier promised land the.

what promise are you talking about ?

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he’s planning on going back to the other covenant though ?

i thought he said he was going to make a new covenant with them because they broke the other ?

So out with Galatians three huh ?

How about this

“I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.

I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; a people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels; which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.

And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number. Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.

Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed: behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.

And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: that he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:1-7, 9, 11-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

of course though God couldn’t possibly be talking to israel and could t possibly be saying that he was going to choose a different people because they rejected him constantly

Thunderrr-mental · Jan 10, 2024

Everlasting-Grace said:

The promised land is not just a physical land you do understand that i take it ?.

Why would a promise of land still be in existence today ?

May I remind you of John 14:6.

If the new temple was to be built on a physical promised land, that means the whole bible is redundant.

Everlasting-Grace · Jan 10, 2024

Cameron143 said:

No he has not.

Lev 26 shows that if they disobey he will kick them out.. But then if they repent. He will let them back in.

Again, all you need to study lev 26

Cameron143 · Jan 10, 2024

Everlasting-Grace said:

Leviticus 26 no longer applies. The covenant it was a part of doesn't exist.

This is an interesting argument. You are making a claim for an eternal condition based on a promise of a no longer existing covenant.

Everlasting-Grace · Jan 10, 2024

Pilgrimshope said:

Jesus said if they repent he will keep his promise.

In fact. Prophecy says they will repent and be restored.

These are Gods word. not mine.. so believe what you want

Everlasting-Grace · Jan 10, 2024

Thunderrr-mental said:

Actually. It is all the land of canaan..

Thats physical

Why would it Not? Why would God stop his promise?

Has nothing to do with the promise God gave to abraham Isaac Jacob and his 12 sons, and all those who were born after them

No, Because its not about salvation. Its about prophecy..

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