The Error of KJV-Onlyism

[Bible_Highlighter]

Tyndale Bible influenced the 1611, nevertheless.

I imagine they used it, but it was not the largest influence as the article you quoted says. Again, the translators of the KJB followed the Bishop’s Bible primarily. Also, as I said before, the Tyndale Bible was not even a complete Bible, either.

my point in even bothering to paste all that is to show that a 'translation' is a carrying over to another place what had been inspired more so than any 'inspiration' as if it were any 'new' thing. It was an example of carrying out the directive to "go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation,' with the reality that 'hearing comes by the word of God, and how can they hear if...' they don't understand the language unless you translate it into their language as to be a more immediate interpreter as opposed to forcing them to learn any certain language to in order to 'hear' the gospel. And, if any of languages should be of mandatory learning, I'd think it should be the original languages of the originally inspired writing, in that case.

But the problem is that nobody today actually knows Biblical Hebrew and Biblical Greek.
A person would be wasting their whole life trying to learn these languages when God already preserved His words for us with the King James Bible. There are many evidences pointing to how the KJB is the Pure Word of God that you can trust today. There is no need to waste your life and reinvent the wheel. God wants us to get busy with our faith and not to just hope to figure out what He said. One can never move or act on faith if that is the case.

It's obvious that even native speakers of english are constantly misunderstanding one another, and you'd sooner complicate the preaching to all the world by what, leave the Holy Spirit to use the gift tongues to convey the gospel message then offer it to them in their own language?

I am not Charismatic or Pentecostal. I believe Cessation of the miraculous sign gifts in the early church is the most likely scenario for us today. Could I be wrong? Sure. But we also do not see believers today doing exactly what we see the early apostles did involving the miracles they had. In either case, the point is if you go for the original languages as the go to place to preach God’s Word, nobody is going to understand those languages. It will be like a person who speaks in foreign tongues without an interpreter. Folks today pretend like they know Hebrew and Greek because they can point to some dictionary. That’s not how it works. A person who knows a language has to immerse themselves in that language and culture deeply. They have to be able to speak, write, read, and listen to that language like it was their native tongue. This is really a difficult task seeing these cultures are no longer alive anymore. Impossible? No, we know what God said by looking to His preserved Words for us today with the Bible that is the most printed and influential book in the world (i.e., the King James Bible).

 

[Mem]

I imagine they used it, but it was not the largest influence as the article you quoted says. Again, the translators of the KJB followed the Bishop’s Bible primarily. Also, as I said before, the Tyndale Bible was not even a complete Bible, either.



But the problem is that nobody today actually knows Biblical Hebrew and Biblical Greek.
A person would be wasting their whole life trying to learn these languages when God already preserved His words for us with the King James Bible. There are many evidences pointing to how the KJB is the Pure Word of God that you can trust today. There is no need to waste your life and reinvent the wheel. God wants us to get busy with our faith and not to just hope to figure out what He said. One can never move or act on faith if that is the case.



I am not Charismatic or Pentecostal. I believe Cessation of the miraculous sign gifts in the early church is the most likely scenario for us today. Could I be wrong? Sure. But we also do not see believers today doing exactly what we see the early apostles did involving the miracles they had. In either case, the point is if you go for the original languages as the go to place to preach God’s Word, nobody is going to understand those languages. It will be like a person who speaks in foreign tongues without an interpreter. Folks today pretend like they know Hebrew and Greek because they can point to some dictionary. That’s not how it works. A person who knows a language has to immerse themselves in that language and culture deeply. They have to be able to speak, write, read, and listen to that language like it was their native tongue. This is really a difficult task seeing these cultures are no longer alive anymore. Impossible? No, we know what God said by looking to His preserved Words for us today with the Bible that is the most printed and influential book in the world (i.e., the King James Bible).

How what of the non-native english speaking person of today fair in light of your position. Is he out of luck and going to hell unless he immerses himself into learning english?

 

[ThewindBlows]

It's a hit piece against the ONLY. And rightly so, after what I have witnessed.

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

What you have witnessed would be private interpretation. the textus receptous is the received text and authorized version, the English speaking world used it for 300 odd years before translations came along, and mainly from the Vatican manuscripts who had banned the kjv didn't want the world to have a bible in the first place, that Bible version helped save most of the English speaking people in the world for the last 400 years, don't throw it away because of what some men say

Also it is the written word given to us to teach about the living word = Jesus, The Word of God that became flesh and dwelt among us

The kjv raises Jesus up as our creator God in the flesh, the almighty, i think you will find most translations try and attack that

John 5:39

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

 

[Kroogz]

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

What you have witnessed would be private interpretation. the textus receptous is the received text and authorized version, the English speaking world used it for 300 odd years before translations came along, and mainly from the Vatican manuscripts who had banned the kjv didn't want the world to have a bible in the first place, that Bible version helped save most of the English speaking people in the world for the last 400 years, don't throw it away because of what some men say

Also it is the written word given to us to teach about the living word = Jesus, The Word of God that became flesh and dwelt among us

The kjv raises Jesus up as our creator God in the flesh, the almighty, i think you will find most translations try and attack that

John 5:39

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

That was tongue in cheek. I like the KJV. I didn't know that it turned reasonable people into pitbulls.

I spent close to a year watching and reading this site before I joined. I joined because there were many who had solid doctrine and I lined up with them........many of them are on this thread and KJV only. And I am right next to a heretic and condemned because I use many resources for my studies. And not the KJV only. It's truly sad.

 

[Blain]

I haven't followed you or her posts on this thread, so I'm not butting in now.
Just remember that this thread is a hit piece against God's Holy Word. I'm surprised that you would let someone convince you to bury God's Holy Word.
Do NOT let anyone undermine your faith in God's Word! They aren't worth it.

I'll tell you what I tell my friends, stay off the forums and get into a daily practice of reading your true KJV Bible.
Do it NOW!
It's the first day of a new year. You can easily get through it this year from cover to cover with 15-20 minutes / day. Hey, it's too easy to spend too much time on the forums. I regret doing that myself.
Let's let that time go to reading so our faith grows.
Ok?

There are all kinds of reading charts if you want to map it out and check it off.
Let me know if I can help get you started.

Psalm 119
140
"Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it."
103
"How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!"

from what I can tell you need to be on the forums more often people would wise to listen to you

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

How what of the non-native english speaking person of today fair in light of your position. Is he out of luck and going to hell unless he immerses himself into learning english?

The gospel of salvation can be found in most Modern Translations. One can even learn to live godly to a certain level by a Modern Translation. The problem with Textual Criticism, which is attached to the Modern Bible movement is that it gets a person to doubt God’s Word rather than to trust it completely. One will waste their life seeking out languages they can never fully know. They can even fall into the danger of either losing their faith because of Modern Scholarship. For some who went to Bible College have already lost their faith as a result. They can also endanger their own soul by adding or taking words away from God’s Holy Book by making their own Bible translation, as well.

As for other countries that don’t speak English:

How many had the Scriptures in other countries when only the Jews possessed the Scriptures?
Was that fair of God to do that?

 

[Gideon300]

But your one time experience is not the whole scope of reality on the matter, my friend. If you used Catholics as an excuse to not believe in the Trinity because of their wackiness, that would not really mean you are correct. The Trinity is true despite the crazy things Catholics do. I have come up with 101 Reasons for the King James Bible, and 10-11 categories that defend it. The more I study on this topic, the more I discover and learn with God’s Word and history. The Modern Bibles are steeped in Catholicism, Unitarianism, liberalism, and doubt. Believers have even fell away from the faith when they went to Bible College learning of Textual Criticism.

I am also not the only one to come to these conclusions based on study. David Cloud at WayofLife.org states, I quote:

“Furthermore, having studied this topic diligently for 25 years, having spent many thousands of dollars to purchase related books, having developed one of the most extensive bibliographies on the subject, having gone to great expense to travel to serious research facilities such as the British Library, having corresponded with hundreds of men on all sides of this subject, and having written an extensive history of the defense of the Received Text and the King James Bible,…“

In other words, if you want a scholarly well researched approach to this, I would recommend David Cloud’s articles. David Cloud has disagreed with Peter Ruckman, Gail Riplinger, and Steve Anderson, etcetera. Not all KJB believers are the same, anymore than all Christians who believe in the Trinity are the same.

True, but the KJV only zeal to me is baseless and pointless at the same time. What incredibly life changing doctrines does the KJV support that the NASB/Amplified/Berean/literal do not? There are two NT verses that the KJV gets right that the others misinterpret. Galatians 2:20 is one, Mark 11:22 the other. The literal translations have it right, so I don't know why translators mess with those verses.

If someone is so keen on correct interpretation, they should study Greek. Personally, I'm happy that some of the most intelligent and studious people in Christendom have done it for me. And I have access to most translations courtesy of Bible Hub. I even have the Holy Spirit to lead me into the truth. That suffices for me.

 

[Gideon300]

I haven't followed you or her posts on this thread, so I'm not butting in now.
Just remember that this thread is a hit piece against God's Holy Word. I'm surprised that you would let someone convince you to bury God's Holy Word.
Do NOT let anyone undermine your faith in God's Word! They aren't worth it.

I'll tell you what I tell my friends, stay off the forums and get into a daily practice of reading your true KJV Bible.
Do it NOW!
It's the first day of a new year. You can easily get through it this year from cover to cover with 15-20 minutes / day. Hey, it's too easy to spend too much time on the forums. I regret doing that myself.
Let's let that time go to reading so our faith grows.
Ok?

There are all kinds of reading charts if you want to map it out and check it off.
Let me know if I can help get you started.

Psalm 119
140
"Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it."
103
"How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!"

Berean:

103How sweet are Your words to my taste—sweeter than honey in my mouth!

140Your promise is completely pure; therefore Your servant loves it.

NASB

140 Your word is very pure, Therefore Your servant loves it.

So what's the big deal with the KJV?

When Jesus spoke, it was in the language of the day, Aramaic. When He speaks to me now, it is in today's English, not in thees and thous. The differences in translations are insignificant. Even when people have the exact translation, they can come up with false doctrines.

The prosperity and "name and claim" crowd used the KJV to promote their view. Or at least, the bits that suit them while conveniently ignoring the rest of the Bible. If people want to use the KJV, fine. But it's also fine to use other translations.

 

[Gideon300]

The gospel of salvation can be found in most Modern Translations. One can even learn to live godly to a certain level by a Modern Translation. The problem with Textual Criticism, which is attached to the Modern Bible movement is that it gets a person to doubt God’s Word rather than to trust it completely. One will waste their life seeking out languages they can never fully know. They can even fall into the danger of either losing their faith because of Modern Scholarship. For some who went to Bible College have already lost their faith as a result. They can also endanger their own soul by adding or taking words away from God’s Holy Book by making their own Bible translation, as well.

As for other countries that don’t speak English:

How many had the Scriptures in other countries when only the Jews possessed the Scriptures?
Was that fair of God to do that?

So-called higher criticism began towards the end of the 18th century, well before the modern translations were around.

 

[fredoheaven]

Here's another. Darn, the NASB and KJV both got this one wrong......2 times in one verse. I guess the NASB isn't inspired after all.

KJV
Exo 17:14~~14And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book, and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.

NASB~~14Then the Lord said to Moses, 'Write this ina bookas a memorial and recite it to Joshua, that I will utterly wipe out the memory of Amalek fromunder heaven.'

It Is," The Book." And "Under the heavens."

בַּ סֵּ פֶ ר b·sphr~~ in·the·scroll. Ironic the KJV missed this one, right?

הַ שָּׁ מָ יִ ם e·shmim~~~ the·heavens

All the BOOKS of the Bible were written on scrolls at this time, and yet they are referred to as books. A written document or a book of the Bible does not have to be bound between two covers to legitimately be called a BOOK.

The total number of times the words “book” and “books” appear in the NASB is 126 times per count in the Bible Hub, that would be a great number to tell that it was not wrong for a scroll to be called a BOOK. Actually, only a few were cited as a scroll. See the list below:

NASB Translation
Book (47), book (79), books (2), certificate (3), deed (6), deeds (3), illiterate* (1), indictment (1), letter (14), letters (15), literate* (1), literature (2), read* (1), scroll (6), scroll* (3), writ (1).

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5612.htm

Heaven is in masculine noun and is dependent on its context and “heaven” is correct.

Note: Please carefully look at the most modern versions of this in the said link, it’s called heaven.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

True, but the KJV only zeal to me is baseless and pointless at the same time. What incredibly life changing doctrines does the KJV support that the NASB/Amplified/Berean/literal do not? There are two NT verses that the KJV gets right that the others misinterpret. Galatians 2:20 is one, Mark 11:22 the other. The literal translations have it right, so I don't know why translators mess with those verses.

If someone is so keen on correct interpretation, they should study Greek. Personally, I'm happy that some of the most intelligent and studious people in Christendom have done it for me. And I have access to most translations courtesy of Bible Hub. I even have the Holy Spirit to lead me into the truth. That suffices for me.

Back in this thread, I have listed doctrinal changes in Modern Bibles.
You can check that out, starting in this post here.

Side Note:

Keep in mind this is not all of them. There is more of course. But I have listed 25 points in this thread.
So hopefully that should be sufficient.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

True, but the KJV only zeal to me is baseless and pointless at the same time. What incredibly life changing doctrines does the KJV support that the NASB/Amplified/Berean/literal do not? There are two NT verses that the KJV gets right that the others misinterpret. Galatians 2:20 is one, Mark 11:22 the other. The literal translations have it right, so I don't know why translators mess with those verses.

If someone is so keen on correct interpretation, they should study Greek. Personally, I'm happy that some of the most intelligent and studious people in Christendom have done it for me. And I have access to most translations courtesy of Bible Hub. I even have the Holy Spirit to lead me into the truth. That suffices for me.

While I have come up with 101 Reasons for the KJB being the Pure Word of God, I also have listed out 10 Main Categories for the KJB, as well. You can check that out in my post here (Back in the thread).

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

True, but the KJV only zeal to me is baseless and pointless at the same time. What incredibly life changing doctrines does the KJV support that the NASB/Amplified/Berean/literal do not? There are two NT verses that the KJV gets right that the others misinterpret. Galatians 2:20 is one, Mark 11:22 the other. The literal translations have it right, so I don't know why translators mess with those verses.

If someone is so keen on correct interpretation, they should study Greek. Personally, I'm happy that some of the most intelligent and studious people in Christendom have done it for me. And I have access to most translations courtesy of Bible Hub. I even have the Holy Spirit to lead me into the truth. That suffices for me.

The Vatican influencing Modern Bibles is another reason why you should not fully trust them, as well.

See this post here (back in this thread) to learn more.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

So-called higher criticism began towards the end of the 18th century, well before the modern translations were around.

Yes, I was already aware.

“In the eighteenth century Religious Rationalism was begotten in Germany and began to spread in its Universities. It has influenced and debased the theological thought in almost the whole of Protestant Christendom. ... The Father of this new revolutionary attitude to the Word of the Lord and the Lord of the Word was J.S. Semler (1725-91), Professor of Theology at Halle. One of his pupils, J.J. Griesbach (1745-1812) was appointed Professor of the New Testament at Jena in 1775. ... It should not be surprising, nor should it be overlooked, that GRIESBACH, INFLUENCED FROM HIS UNDERGRADUATE DAYS BY THE RISING TIDE OF RATIONALISM SWEEPING OVER HIS COUNTRY, WAS A FOE OF ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY. HE ABANDONED THE TEXTUS RECEPTUS, AND CONSTRUCTED A NEW GREEK NEW TESTAMENT TEXT” (emphasis added) (D.A. Thompson, The Controversy Concerning the Last Twelve Verses of the Gospel according to Mark, Surrey: The Bible Christian Unity Fellowship, pp. 39-40; reprint of four articles which appeared in The Bible League Quarterly, London, 1973) (Source).

The battle began in the 1800s.

Check out the PDF by David Cloud.

https://www.holybibleinstitute.com/files/For_Love_of_the_Bible.pdf

It is 509 pages.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

The handwritten master copy of the KJB from the translators had never changed once it was finalized to be sent to the printer. If you knew anything about the printing process back in the old days before they perfected it, you would understand that printing errors was a common thing in many books (Especially larger ones like the Bible). It was a messy and difficult process that they could not master; Especially for larger works until one day the technology was perfected. Also, there were updates in spellings, and font changes, as well. But those are not changes to what the words say.

When Psalms 12:6 refers to the words of the Lord being purified seven times, I believe it is also prophetic.

My Proposed List of the Seven Purifications of the KJB:

1. The 1629 Cambridge
2. The 1638 Cambridge (authored by the King).
3. The Paris 1762 Cambridge
4. The Blayney 1769 Oxford (Authorized Version) (Today this is the 1893 or 1894 Oxford printed editions)
5. Apocrypha Removed in KJB officially in 1885
6. The Updated Public Based Pure Cambridge (used between the 1920s and 1985)
7. The Pure Cambridge (A.W. Pollard) (circa 1914-1918) (WW2) (The KJV Cambridge used today).

I believe that God is in control even over the roll of the dice.
So any small differences between the MAJOR six editions (due to printing errors) could also potentially be true.
(Note: One purification was the removal of the Apocrypha in 1885 by the Church of England ).
We learn in Jeremiah that God can edit His own Word. When the King cut up and burned the scroll in the fire, God told Jeremiah to make another scroll and add many like words to it.
There are approximately 12 subtle or small differences between the 6 major KJB editions to my knowledge.
Granted, there are things that needed to be filtered out of the first KJB 1611 edition like the Apocrypha, the marginal notes, the Greek pagan pictures, and stuff. But the hand written master copy was the reflection of the true Word all along. I believe it was not until the Pure Cambridge Edition (circa 1900) when the printing process and standardization of spelling and grammar whereby we had a Word that was finally purified the seventh time.

Others like Matthew Verschuur at BibleProtector.com, and John M Asquith at PureCambridgeText.com have different lists.

Bible Protector’s List of the Seven Purifications in Psalms 12:6.

View attachment 259278
PureCambridgeText.com website offers a different list of the seven purified KJBs, and he offers some great reasons why, although I do not agree entirely with his list.

1. The 1629 Cambridge
2. The 1638 Cambridge (authored by the King).
3. The Paris 1762 Cambridge
4. The Blayney 1769 Oxford
5. The Scrivener 1873 Cambridge Paragraph
6. The Pure Cambridge (A.W. Pollard) (circa 1914-1918)
7. The Updated Public Based Pure Cambridge (used between the 1920s and 1985).

The changes to actual words and their meaning are very minute. But again, this was the fixing of printing errors when see that the words were different.

I was going over the info I have again, and I wanted to offer an update on my list of the 7 KJB Purifications.
(Which I believe is prophetic of Psalms 12:6-7).

So here is….


All editions are true in what they say. But each purification gets more precise and perfect to what was written in the originals.
I believe the Pure Cambridge Edition is the final purification of God’s Word for today. But all editions are true, despite minor variations in some words. They are the 7 MAJOR KJB editions and not just any KJB Edition.

All editions are the result of fixing printing errors to reflect the original handwritten master copy.
Printing was VERY difficult back then to get right.
Some editions were to update the spelling, grammar, font, etcetera.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

All editions are true in what they say. But each purification gets more precise and perfect

So then you admit that it wasn't a perfect translation then right?

If it was perfect, there would have been no need of "purification"

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

So then you admit that it wasn't a perfect translation then right?

If it was perfect, there would have been no need of "purification"

All of them were perfect. But one was more Perfect in the sense of being matured or having come to full fruition.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

All of them were perfect. But one was more Perfect in the sense of being matured or having come to full fruition.

I see so the definition of perfect means some correction is still needed to get some of the errors out so it can be "more perfector ish"

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

I see so the definition of perfect means some correction is still needed to get some of the errors out so it can be "more perfector ish"

Jesus was being made perfect by His obedience.

Hebrews 5:8-9
”Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;“

And as I stated in another thread in my post here, there is a Symbiotic Relationship Between the Living Word, and the Communicated Word.

 

[Dino246]

Yes, I am not replying to all of what you said. I believe most of what you are saying is not logical.

Then by all means point out the shortcomings in my logic.