Where does the justification for The New Testament doers of the law in Romans 2:13 originate from?

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Dino246 said:
Paul is making a point, not describing a set of people. "Doers" here is contrasted with "hearers". That's the point of the sentence.

Those who are merely hearers but don't do what they hear are not going to be justified; in order to be justified, you must actually do what the Law requires.

The problem is that, as Paul states, nobody is righteous... no amount of "law doing" is sufficient to make one righteous. We have all sinned and cannot move ourselves from "sinner" to "justified" because we have all failed to "do" what the law requires.
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a blessing to read this reply, I was seeking to for an answer, I thought I would just read the replies first before giving one,

I was hoping to see some clear message from our father with this,

One that prevents a discussion like this going all legalistic, and you no what

There's no need for me to answer.

I think we have all been there tho are own pride refusing to hear what we don't want to, when we think where right.

I just hope humble be can see your great wisdom from the lord here and trust this message was from the lord for him.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
a blessing to read this reply, I was seeking to for an answer, I thought I would just read the replies first before giving one,

I was hoping to see some clear message from our father with this,

One that prevents a discussion like this going all legalistic, and you no what

There's no need for me to answer.

I think we have all been there tho are own pride refusing to hear what we don't want to, when we think where right.

I just hope humble be can see your great wisdom from the lord here and trust this message was from the lord for him.
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I am a doer of the law; The doers of the law shall be justified.
 
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NightTwister said:
Blasphemy has consequences.
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no the doers of God's holy law shall be justified that's exactly what Dino did he was s doer of Gods word for giving sound advice.

Is there something wrong with the lord making you shine after giving his advice, could you think of any better justification than that, shining with God's pride
 
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HumbleBee said:
The doers of the law shall be justified.
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Paul is progressing through an argument in stages. At this point in his argument he is speaking about Jews under the law being justified before God. This statement is true of those trying to live under the mosaic law. It is not being applied here to those taking refuge under the new covenant.
 
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The lord said I will make your righteousness shine like the noondays sun.

Is there any better justification than that
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
yes they shall friend I was talking about the good advice Dino gave you, I was hoping you could acknowledge what he said with a nice gesture of appreciation
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I am a doer of the law; The doers of the law shall be justified.
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
He’s not speaking about a group of people lol he’s explaining about the law
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I am a doer of the law; The doers of the law shall be justified.

Romans 2:11-15
11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For whosoever have sinned without the law, shall perish without the law; and whosoever have sinned in the law, shall be judged by the law. 13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, who have not the law, do by nature those things that are of the law; these having not the law are a law to themselves: 15 Who shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness to them, and their thoughts between themselves accusing, or also defending one another,
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HumbleBee said:
I am a doer of the law; The doers of the law shall be justified.
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Luke tells us "He answered, 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind,' and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself'" (Luke 10:27).
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
Luke tells us "He answered, 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind,' and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself'" (Luke 10:27).
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For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
 
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HumbleBee said:
For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
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wash rinse and repeat 😊

Just for you He will make your innocence radiate like the dawn, and the justice of your cause will shine like the noonday sun.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
no the doers of God's holy law shall be justified that's exactly what Dino did he was s doer of Gods word for giving sound advice.

Is there something wrong with the lord making you shine after giving his advice, could you think of any better justification than that, shining with God's pride
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Sock puppets rejoice!
 
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