Where does the justification for The New Testament doers of the law in Romans 2:13 originate from?
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I would suggest to you that the first 11 chapters of the Romans are one basic point. Paul is trying to explain to the Jews that they need to quit trusting in being children of Abraham, trusting the law and circumcision and to trust in Christ (faith). They have a hard time imagining they can be justified without those things. I can see why it would be difficult for them. They had been taught that for over a thousand years. They trusted that being God's chosen people, the law and circumcision made them righteous in God's sight.
So he first points out that even though they had those things, if they were not doers of the law then they were condemned. He points out they're hypocrisy.
3 But do you suppose this, you foolish person who passes judgment on those who practice such things, and yet does them as well, that you will escape the judgment of God?
He tells them if they don't practice the law, then they are uncircumcised. The uncircumcised were cut off from the people, Gen. 17:14.
25 For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a violator of the Law, your circumcision has turned into uncircumcision.
There's a lot to it but that is the basic idea. They have died to those things and now are justified in Christ without those things.
I would read the first 11 chapters to get a better picture.
So he first points out that even though they had those things, if they were not doers of the law then they were condemned. He points out they're hypocrisy.
3 But do you suppose this, you foolish person who passes judgment on those who practice such things, and yet does them as well, that you will escape the judgment of God?
He tells them if they don't practice the law, then they are uncircumcised. The uncircumcised were cut off from the people, Gen. 17:14.
25 For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a violator of the Law, your circumcision has turned into uncircumcision.
There's a lot to it but that is the basic idea. They have died to those things and now are justified in Christ without those things.
I would read the first 11 chapters to get a better picture.
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The Lord Jesus Christ.
The Law requires perfection in order to be justified through it.
All gentiles have sinned, even without the law.
All Jews have sinned with the law.
So both classes are EMPTY of justified people.
So Paul gave a zinger to the self righteous Jew. "The doers of the law shall be justified." The law requires perfection. Even the self righteous know they failed at some point. And Paul goes on to point it out in the verses ahead.
The Law requires perfection in order to be justified through it.
All gentiles have sinned, even without the law.
All Jews have sinned with the law.
So both classes are EMPTY of justified people.
So Paul gave a zinger to the self righteous Jew. "The doers of the law shall be justified." The law requires perfection. Even the self righteous know they failed at some point. And Paul goes on to point it out in the verses ahead.
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HumbleBee said:
I am referring to any incorrect doctrines they are choosing to believe.
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Incorrect doctrine is not the idol.
Incorrect doctrine has an idol. And that idol is ALWAYS ,100% of the time ...................SELF.
Incorrect doctrine is always about the creature.
Correct doctrine is always about the Creator.
I am referring to any incorrect doctrines they are choosing to believe.
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Incorrect doctrine is not the idol.
Incorrect doctrine has an idol. And that idol is ALWAYS ,100% of the time ...................SELF.
Incorrect doctrine is always about the creature.
Correct doctrine is always about the Creator.
Paul is making a point, not describing a set of people. "Doers" here is contrasted with "hearers". That's the point of the sentence.
Those who are merely hearers but don't do what they hear are not going to be justified; in order to be justified, you must actually do what the Law requires.
The problem is that, as Paul states, nobody is righteous... no amount of "law doing" is sufficient to make one righteous. We have all sinned and cannot move ourselves from "sinner" to "justified" because we have all failed to "do" what the law requires.
Those who are merely hearers but don't do what they hear are not going to be justified; in order to be justified, you must actually do what the Law requires.
The problem is that, as Paul states, nobody is righteous... no amount of "law doing" is sufficient to make one righteous. We have all sinned and cannot move ourselves from "sinner" to "justified" because we have all failed to "do" what the law requires.
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