Orthodox Jew answers a few questions
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What originally made me talk about this was the comment about not voting for an adulterer. I do not mean to defend adultery whatsoever as it is a sin. The truth is that we are all sinners in need of a Messiah. If he was an active adulterer, I would agree with you. If he was a repentant adulterer, I can't find fault in him for that if God Himself has forgiven him.
Where my argument conflicts is when it comes to child molesters. I believe they can be forgiven by God, but I don't know how NOT to assume they are still menacing predators if they claim they are repentant. This is something I fall short on as a Christian.
Where my argument conflicts is when it comes to child molesters. I believe they can be forgiven by God, but I don't know how NOT to assume they are still menacing predators if they claim they are repentant. This is something I fall short on as a Christian.
Oh. Ok. Even though that passage is from the Jewish Bible. So I guess you discount the Psalms, and HOSEA, whom you quoted? How bout THIS passage from the Book of NUMBERS Which IS in the Torah?
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4 Then they journeyed from Mount Hor by the Way of the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the soul of the people became very discouraged on the way. 5 And the people spoke against God and against Moses: “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread.” 6 So the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died.
They didn't murder, they didn't commit adultery. ALL they did was complain. Their sin was being ungrateful.
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4 Then they journeyed from Mount Hor by the Way of the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the soul of the people became very discouraged on the way. 5 And the people spoke against God and against Moses: “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread.” 6 So the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died.
They didn't murder, they didn't commit adultery. ALL they did was complain. Their sin was being ungrateful.
Post whatever translation you like.
They ALL say the same thing. The Law is concrete. The punishment for breaking it is death. ONLY through God's Grace can we be saved.
So whether you are talking about Uzza, Achan, AND HIS WHOLE EXTENDED FAMILY, the children of Israel that murmured and complained, OR MOSES HIMSELF. Anyone who breaks God's Law and commands are put to death.
They ALL say the same thing. The Law is concrete. The punishment for breaking it is death. ONLY through God's Grace can we be saved.
So whether you are talking about Uzza, Achan, AND HIS WHOLE EXTENDED FAMILY, the children of Israel that murmured and complained, OR MOSES HIMSELF. Anyone who breaks God's Law and commands are put to death.
I don't think you all hate Christians; however, we do worship someone that you believe to be other than God; right? That would be idolatry by definition... even if God did let it slide for gentiles, wouldn't it? He didn't seem too pleased about the idols of the Assyria, so I don't think idolatry flies for anybody; he's not gonna share his glory like that.
I'm glad for that. I hope that everything continues to go well in yours. No matter how a marriage starts, I would never want it to go any other way... unless it's some kind of gay-marriage, which, is not a thing, if you ask me.
I'm glad for that. I hope that everything continues to go well in yours. No matter how a marriage starts, I would never want it to go any other way... unless it's some kind of gay-marriage, which, is not a thing, if you ask me.
Today is our lucky day: because even though flipping right to left is awkward, SomeDisciple has the hard-copy Hebrew Tanakh translated to English by the Jewish Publication Society.
1Chron13:9,10 reads thusly.
But when they came to the threshing floor of Chidon, Uzza put out his hand to hold the Ark of God because the oxen had stumblied. The LORD was incensed at Uzza, and struck him down, because he laid a hand on the Ark; and so he died there before God.
Compared to the BibleHub KJV.
9When they came to the threshing floor of Chidon,d Uzzah reached out and took hold of the ark, because the oxen had stumbled. 10And the anger of the LORD burned against Uzzah, and He struck him down because he had put his hand on the ark. So he died there before God.
1Chron13:9,10 reads thusly.
But when they came to the threshing floor of Chidon, Uzza put out his hand to hold the Ark of God because the oxen had stumblied. The LORD was incensed at Uzza, and struck him down, because he laid a hand on the Ark; and so he died there before God.
Compared to the BibleHub KJV.
9When they came to the threshing floor of Chidon,d Uzzah reached out and took hold of the ark, because the oxen had stumbled. 10And the anger of the LORD burned against Uzzah, and He struck him down because he had put his hand on the ark. So he died there before God.
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Thank-you for working in an anti-gay message while wishing me well. I was worried for a second this was going to be a purely uplifting interaction.
My husband is dead which I noted a few posts up so I don't foresee how it can get much worse.
Regardless I'm not sure why you insist on telling me what I must think but it is a real pet peeve of mine. It's not in my nature to judge other people and I am certainly not going to place myself in G-d's place to make proclamations on others. As long as you are worshipping G-d and not breaking any of the laws of Noah you are a righteous gentile as I noted. When the messiah comes Jew and gentile will become a meaningless distinction as G-d will write his law in people's hearts and we will have peace together. That has been messianic prophecy for thousands of years and has not changed.
I never said they were not similar, but they are not identical. Touching the ark was expressly forbidden regardless of Uzza's intent.
My husband is dead which I noted a few posts up so I don't foresee how it can get much worse.
Regardless I'm not sure why you insist on telling me what I must think but it is a real pet peeve of mine. It's not in my nature to judge other people and I am certainly not going to place myself in G-d's place to make proclamations on others. As long as you are worshipping G-d and not breaking any of the laws of Noah you are a righteous gentile as I noted. When the messiah comes Jew and gentile will become a meaningless distinction as G-d will write his law in people's hearts and we will have peace together. That has been messianic prophecy for thousands of years and has not changed.
I never said they were not similar, but they are not identical. Touching the ark was expressly forbidden regardless of Uzza's intent.
It's not anti-gay at all. I love gay people; but saying that God intended this for marriage is... not right.
That's not an undesirable end; that's a natural end. People die. I hope something good came out of your marriage.
That never happened- I never said what you thought. You said I seem think you hate christians. I don't think that.
Oh, it's not mine either. As I said- I love gay people; But gay marriage is not a thing.
Can you tell me what the Nohide laws are to you?
That's not an undesirable end; that's a natural end. People die. I hope something good came out of your marriage.
That never happened- I never said what you thought. You said I seem think you hate christians. I don't think that.
Oh, it's not mine either. As I said- I love gay people; But gay marriage is not a thing.
Can you tell me what the Nohide laws are to you?
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Dude why even connect the two when trying wish me well on my own marriage...? Are you afraid people might think you like the gays if you don't go out of your way to condemn them whenever the subject of marriage comes up? No one was even remotely talking about the LGBT.
My husband's death was not an undesirable end??? Think very very hard about what you just said to a widow. "Hey, people die"... you must be a blast at funerals.
Okay fair enough.
Read the above.
They mean what they mean. G-d's laws are not up to individual interpretation. He says do, you do. He says don't, you don't.
My husband's death was not an undesirable end??? Think very very hard about what you just said to a widow. "Hey, people die"... you must be a blast at funerals.
Okay fair enough.
Read the above.
They mean what they mean. G-d's laws are not up to individual interpretation. He says do, you do. He says don't, you don't.
Idk... maybe you're secretly a transgender female or something. Sorry, I'm not good at feelings, okay.- ask anybody on Christian Chat. They tolerate me, though.
Whether or not "people" approve of me is nothing. As I said; I love gay people.
Okay; good point- but I wouldn't say that at a funeral... at least I don't think I would.
But think about it. If I were married.... I would want to die that way. it's better than being divorced because of some scandal- and the drama that comes with it.
What other end could be better?
I know that part- I mean what are they? is it just the rainbow covenant laws in Genesis, or is it more than that?
Because idolatry isn't mentioned there- so; are you saying that idolatry is okay for Gentiles?
Whether or not "people" approve of me is nothing. As I said; I love gay people.
Okay; good point- but I wouldn't say that at a funeral... at least I don't think I would.
But think about it. If I were married.... I would want to die that way. it's better than being divorced because of some scandal- and the drama that comes with it.
What other end could be better?
I know that part- I mean what are they? is it just the rainbow covenant laws in Genesis, or is it more than that?
Because idolatry isn't mentioned there- so; are you saying that idolatry is okay for Gentiles?
I'm going to be charitable and assume you have some kind of autism.
Laws of Noah:
Don't commit idolatry.
Do not curse God/blaspheme.
Do not commit murder.
Do not commit adultery/sexual immorality.
Don't steal.
Do not be cruel to animals.
Establish courts of justice. (In other words be just).
Laws of Noah:
Don't commit idolatry.
Do not curse God/blaspheme.
Do not commit murder.
Do not commit adultery/sexual immorality.
Don't steal.
Do not be cruel to animals.
Establish courts of justice. (In other words be just).
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I'm wondering what "orthodox" Jews think of these verses from the Torah.
20 And when thy son asketh thee in time to come, saying, What mean the testimonies, and the statutes, and the judgments, which the Lord our God hath commanded you?
21 Then thou shalt say unto thy son, We were Pharaoh's bondmen in Egypt; and the Lord brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand:
22 And the Lord shewed signs and wonders, great and sore, upon Egypt, upon Pharaoh, and upon all his household, before our eyes:
23 And he brought us out from thence, that he might bring us in, to give us the land which he sware unto our fathers.
Does this mean you are required to answer questions about the Torah and the Prophets?
20 And when thy son asketh thee in time to come, saying, What mean the testimonies, and the statutes, and the judgments, which the Lord our God hath commanded you?
21 Then thou shalt say unto thy son, We were Pharaoh's bondmen in Egypt; and the Lord brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand:
22 And the Lord shewed signs and wonders, great and sore, upon Egypt, upon Pharaoh, and upon all his household, before our eyes:
23 And he brought us out from thence, that he might bring us in, to give us the land which he sware unto our fathers.
Does this mean you are required to answer questions about the Torah and the Prophets?
Jewish scholars recognized that the KJB has done an excellent job of translating: "We are, it is hardly needful to say, deeply grateful for the works of our non-Jewish predecessors, such as the Authorised Version with its admirable diction, which can never be surpassed..." (from the Preface to the 1917 edition).
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I think what we are witnessing right now is the sovereignty and wisdom of the Lord Jesus.
Do an online search of the interpretation of any verse in the Bible and you will get such a wide ranging amount of interpretations, many of which are absurd, while at the same time the literal interpretation to many verses seems "fantastic" or even harder to believe. Imagine how hard it is for AI to make any meaningful response about a Bible verse? How can they do it? That is why when I asked Chat GPT direct questions about specific Bible verses the response was always "there are many different interpretations".
For years we thought it was a problem that there were so many interpretations and so many bad interpretations at that. But it is a great defense against AI.
That said there are things that a demon cannot say, one of which is that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. That is a very narrow statement, but if you understand Jesus Christ as the incarnated word of God then they will also have a hard time saying this Bible verse has been fulfilled when Israel became a nation again, etc.
Instead AI will be forced to make excuses for why they can't answer.
Do an online search of the interpretation of any verse in the Bible and you will get such a wide ranging amount of interpretations, many of which are absurd, while at the same time the literal interpretation to many verses seems "fantastic" or even harder to believe. Imagine how hard it is for AI to make any meaningful response about a Bible verse? How can they do it? That is why when I asked Chat GPT direct questions about specific Bible verses the response was always "there are many different interpretations".
For years we thought it was a problem that there were so many interpretations and so many bad interpretations at that. But it is a great defense against AI.
That said there are things that a demon cannot say, one of which is that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. That is a very narrow statement, but if you understand Jesus Christ as the incarnated word of God then they will also have a hard time saying this Bible verse has been fulfilled when Israel became a nation again, etc.
Instead AI will be forced to make excuses for why they can't answer.
Test the Spirits
None of us has any issue with being tested, saying that Jesus Christ is Lord of all and that He came in the flesh to redeem mankind with His precious blood. We aren't offended to be asked this question. But demons cannot lie about this, the Bible says the honor to preach the gospel is only given to us, they will be rebuked by the Lord immediately if they cross that line.
But if someone says they are a Jew then we are all (except for a few abrasive ones like myself) are afraid to test the spirits. But we are told in the NT to test the spirits.
You don't have to say that Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God, Jesus is the incarnated word of God. Just tell me that Israel returning after 2,000 years was a fulfillment of Biblical prophecies. Just tell me that the word of God spoken by Moses has come in the flesh in 1948. I see no reason why any Jew would have a problem with that, nothing insulting about that. As I have said half my family is Jewish, and that is on my dad's side, on my Mom's side her grandfather was Jewish. My best friend was Jewish. I attended synagogue with him, I ate the Passover at his house.
1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
None of us has any issue with being tested, saying that Jesus Christ is Lord of all and that He came in the flesh to redeem mankind with His precious blood. We aren't offended to be asked this question. But demons cannot lie about this, the Bible says the honor to preach the gospel is only given to us, they will be rebuked by the Lord immediately if they cross that line.
But if someone says they are a Jew then we are all (except for a few abrasive ones like myself) are afraid to test the spirits. But we are told in the NT to test the spirits.
You don't have to say that Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God, Jesus is the incarnated word of God. Just tell me that Israel returning after 2,000 years was a fulfillment of Biblical prophecies. Just tell me that the word of God spoken by Moses has come in the flesh in 1948. I see no reason why any Jew would have a problem with that, nothing insulting about that. As I have said half my family is Jewish, and that is on my dad's side, on my Mom's side her grandfather was Jewish. My best friend was Jewish. I attended synagogue with him, I ate the Passover at his house.
1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
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