America needs to defeat Russia in Ukraine NOW!!!!

[JAPOV]

Ukraine is also evil ... It is not my grandsons duty to die for the corrupt government of the Ukraine

Personally, I believe Bernie O'Biden is evil... Does that make you evil? Are we not our brother's keepers?

 

[shittim]

We haven't been under the old testament for 2,000 years

 

[JAPOV]

History is littered with murderous tyrants that everyone agrees to hate.
Putin is going to go down in history as "The Butcher Of Ukraine"...
Why is politics always so slow to learn and react?

 

[tobewholeagain]

Zelensky Says His Goal is to Turn Ukraine Into a ‘Greater Israel’

A greater Israel-?
The IDF (Israel military) sniper teams single out and murder Palestinian children.
I Googled “Israelis killing children”
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12 yr old boy SHOT DEAD in front of your eyes
Updated 9.48 p.m., 3rd Oct 2000
http://www.themodernreligion.com/jihad/sniper.html
Gaza girl said killed
By Amos Harel and Nir Hasson, Haaretz Correspondents,
and Haaretz Service
Thu., October 28, 2004
IDF troops shot and killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl who was on her way to school in a Gaza Strip refugee camp
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html
Photos of a 12 year old palestinian boy being shot by Israeli soldiers and the ambulance driver who tried to save him also being shot and killed.
http://www.palestine-net.com/misc/durra/
Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and dead while buying candy with her friends.
5 June 2004
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2785.shtml
In March 2003
12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old school children were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom.
Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html
An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk

The Israelis are child murderers ​

 

[soberxp]

1. Move our forces in europe to west border of Ukraine. Move 2 divisions and major air force assets in the U.S. to europe. Tell Russia in 4 days, U.S. forces are going to start moving into Ukraine and securing Ukraine's pre-war boarder. If Russian forces engage us, we will defend ourselves with the maximum conventional fire power we have available. If Russian forces are identified by us, they will be warned to retreat, and will be attacked with the maximum conventional firepower we possess at a time of our chosing if they do not retreat immediately. After Russian troops are out of Ukraine, and they will leave or die, sanctions will be lifted. IMO, 2. We pay the price 10 fold trying to fix our countries inconsistent oversea policies if Ukraine falls completely to Russia. 3. The United States falls and nothing stops evil in the world, I think there are many in our country that would like to see that, we know there are countries in the world that would love to see that. What do you think.

1. Move our forces in europe to west border of Ukraine. Move 2 divisions and major air force assets in the U.S. to europe. Tell Russia in 4 days, U.S. forces are going to start moving into Ukraine and securing Ukraine's pre-war boarder. If Russian forces engage us, we will defend ourselves with the maximum conventional fire power we have available. If Russian forces are identified by us, they will be warned to retreat, and will be attacked with the maximum conventional firepower we possess at a time of our chosing if they do not retreat immediately. After Russian troops are out of Ukraine, and they will leave or die, sanctions will be lifted. IMO, 2. We pay the price 10 fold trying to fix our countries inconsistent oversea policies if Ukraine falls completely to Russia. 3. The United States falls and nothing stops evil in the world, I think there are many in our country that would like to see that, we know there are countries in the world that would love to see that. What do you think.

What do you think is evil? Neither the United States nor Russia can represent justice. To be correct, Russia has done the same thing as the United States has done in many wars. Both of them publicize that they are the justice side. Force is not what the Bible teaches us. Your sense of justice is meaningless in front of the Bible.

And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

 

[JAPOV]

What do you think is evil? Neither the United States nor Russia can represent justice. To be correct, Russia has done the same thing as the United States has done in many wars. Both of them publicize that they are the justice side. Force is not what the Bible teaches us. Your sense of justice is meaningless in front of the Bible.

And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

You're right. God has no use for war. However, evil men do.
Sometimes war is a necessary evil my friend, but all things work out for the greater glory of God. God marches before the righteous.

 

[soberxp]

You're right. God has no use for war. However, evil men do.
Sometimes war is a necessary evil my friend, but all things work out for the greater glory of God. God marches before the righteous.

Not really, it's just that we're used to eye for eye and tooth for tooth.

I can understand two languages,one is Chinese, one is English.

Many Chinese think the US government is evil, and many Americans think the Chinese government is evil.

I will not say whether I/they have been brainwashed by the Communist Party, nor will I say whether the American people have been brainwashed by media.
This kind of thing is not normal for me,So I can see clearly Through biblical understanding,I hope Christians can see what's really going on. I don't want to take sides,I just take out the biblical knowledge I understand and say the truth of God.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

If we're used to eye for eye and tooth for tooth,Our world will always submit to Satan's rules,
That is, there will never be true justice. Only supreme force can represent the so-called "justice".
Then all countries will become bellicose and uneasy.

 

[JAPOV]

Well, you're right to stay focused on God. But remember, even Christ promised believers persecution... "Love your enemies" and "turn the other cheek" does not mean lay down your arms before an ARMY of your enemies.

 

[JAPOV]

Well, you're right to stay focused on God. But remember, even Christ promised believers persecution... "Love your enemies" and "turn the other cheek" does not mean lay down your arms before an ARMY of your enemies.

So "I" don't consider "YOU" my enemy

 

[soberxp]

Well, you're right to stay focused on God. But remember, even Christ promised believers persecution... "Love your enemies" and "turn the other cheek" does not mean lay down your arms before an ARMY of your enemies.

During World War II, Japan invaded China. At first, China did not resist. Chiang Kai Shek's wife Song Meiling was a Christian. I don't know whether they referred to the teachings of the Bible, but the Chinese people finally chose to take up arms to resist the invaders.
Then came the Shanghai battle and the Nanjing Massacre.

 

[JAPOV]

During World War II, Japan invaded China. At first, China did not resist. Chiang Kai Shek's wife Song Meiling was a Christian. I don't know whether they referred to the teachings of the Bible, but the Chinese people finally chose to take up arms to resist the invaders.
Then came the Shanghai battle and the Nanjing Massacre.

Look how many times Israel has been persecuted and destroyed...
It all works out in the end my friend... We just can't see through the eyes of God

 

[Minortimbo12]

America needs to defeat Russia in Ukraine NOW!!!!
America needs to use our air force, navy, and yes, boots on the ground NOW!!!
Putin's military will not allow Putin to use the big bomb, it is a bluff and we, the American people need to call Putin's bluff.
NOW!!!!!!

But why has Putin attacked Ukraine? Why hasn't he demolished 'innocent Ukraine' already? If the media is lies, why would it be true that Ukraine is innocent? I'm not saying they aren't, but no one knows! Maybe Putin's trying to prevent something in the future! And it MIGHT be true, but WE CANT TRUST THE MEDIA! IT SAYS ABORTION IS FINE! And also, God want peace in the world, not America puting their two cents in for a conflict halfway across the world.

 

[Eph2all]

America needs to defeat Russia in Ukraine NOW!!!!
America needs to use our air force, navy, and yes, boots on the ground NOW!!!
Putin's military will not allow Putin to use the big bomb, it is a bluff and we, the American people need to call Putin's bluff.
NOW!!!!!!

I totally disagree. The following are just SOME of the reasons:

1) The USA has no defense treaty with Ukraine;
2) I don't support NAZIs;
3) I don't support child traffickers;
4) I don't support the development of biological weapons;
5) I don't want to see US citizens die; and,
6) I don't support generally regimes that don't allow elections (though I make an exception for kingdoms).

I could come up with more but I think those are more than enough.

 

[Gojira]

I totally disagree. The following are just SOME of the reasons:

1) The USA has no defense treaty with Ukraine;
2) I don't support NAZIs;
3) I don't support child traffickers;
4) I don't support the development of biological weapons;
5) I don't want to see US citizens die; and,
6) I don't support generally regimes that don't allow elections (though I make an exception for kingdoms).

I could come up with more but I think those are more than enough.

Unfortunately in this case both countries have checkered moral records. Russia's invasion is like any other in history, and letting it go without a response only emboldens the invader. However, Ukraine is hardly comprised of saints, and has its own issues with political liberty.

I'd undo Biden's idiotic fossil fuels policy and start drilling like we did during Trump. That made energy cheap, abundant, and would also give others around the world, like those in Europe, an alternative to Russian oil.

 

[Gideon300]

I totally disagree. The following are just SOME of the reasons:

1) The USA has no defense treaty with Ukraine;
2) I don't support NAZIs;
3) I don't support child traffickers;
4) I don't support the development of biological weapons;
5) I don't want to see US citizens die; and,
6) I don't support generally regimes that don't allow elections (though I make an exception for kingdoms).

I could come up with more but I think those are more than enough.

1. No, the US has no treaty with Ukraine. However, it did offer security guarantees in return for Ukraine giving up nuclear weapons. This may have been the worst deal of the century. I have no doubt Russia would not have invaded Ukraine if she had nukes. The US tried to get Ukraine to pretty much render herself defenceless in order to appease Russia. America has a history of really bad decisions when it comes to messing in the affairs of other nations (Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam..........)
2. If you think that Russia is morally superior to Ukraine, you are deluded
3. Who does? Many countries suffer this problem.
4. Russia uses such weapons now.
5. No one is asking the US to send troops to Ukraine
6. Ukraine has elections. Russia has pseudo elections. It's easy to be elected when you've put all your opposition in prison or assassinated them

 

[Eph2all]

1. No, the US has no treaty with Ukraine. However, it did offer security guarantees in return for Ukraine giving up nuclear weapons. This may have been the worst deal of the century. I have no doubt Russia would not have invaded Ukraine if she had nukes. The US tried to get Ukraine to pretty much render herself defenceless in order to appease Russia. America has a history of really bad decisions when it comes to messing in the affairs of other nations (Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam..........)
2. If you think that Russia is morally superior to Ukraine, you are deluded
3. Who does? Many countries suffer this problem.
4. Russia uses such weapons now.
5. No one is asking the US to send troops to Ukraine
6. Ukraine has elections. Russia has pseudo elections. It's easy to be elected when you've put all your opposition in prison or assassinated them

1 - I don't think the security guarantee was absolute or unitary. [But IF it guaranteed involvement of USA in combat I will recant. Is there a link to such? Please note that even the NATO treaty only says that it will take action 'as it deems necessary' is required if a member is attacked! See quote below:]

Article 5
“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.”

2 - yes it is. While Ukraine has a transgender spokesman Russia is clamping down on sexual perversion. I also note you don't try to deny the presence of NAZIs in Ukraine. (Good for you.) Beyond that there is the matter of worship.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...rthodox-church-over-alleged-links-with-russia
Main Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces - consecrated 14 June 2020
https://www.rferl.org/a/consecration-of-the-main-cathedral-of-russian-armed-forces/30671707.html

3 - Ukraine does.
https://www.usaid.gov/ukraine/fact-sheet/dec-16-2022-trafficking-persons

4 - oh? Do you have a link or source? I follow the SMO pretty closely and haven't seen such a report.

5 - Have you seen the statements of Blinken & Hailey? Or you might examine this:
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...us-troops-in-ukraine-can-now-earn-hazard-pay/

6 - Actually I would argue the Russian elections now are more free and open than the USA! [There have been international election watchers that approved Russian elections while the USA elections are surrounded with fraud and vote manipulation with observers excluded even where they had a legal right to be!]
https://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/russia/491069
Meanwhile President Zelensky prohibited Ukrainian elections:
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-birthday-grenade-b1b82e4f84eb5a39286d1500cf49fcd1

 

[Gideon300]

1 - I don't think the security guarantee was absolute or unitary. [But IF it guaranteed involvement of USA in combat I will recant. Is there a link to such? Please note that even the NATO treaty only says that it will take action 'as it deems necessary' is required if a member is attacked! See quote below:]

Article 5
“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.”

2 - yes it is. While Ukraine has a transgender spokesman Russia is clamping down on sexual perversion. I also note you don't try to deny the presence of NAZIs in Ukraine. (Good for you.) Beyond that there is the matter of worship.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...rthodox-church-over-alleged-links-with-russia
Main Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces - consecrated 14 June 2020
https://www.rferl.org/a/consecration-of-the-main-cathedral-of-russian-armed-forces/30671707.html

3 - Ukraine does.
https://www.usaid.gov/ukraine/fact-sheet/dec-16-2022-trafficking-persons

4 - oh? Do you have a link or source? I follow the SMO pretty closely and haven't seen such a report.

5 - Have you seen the statements of Blinken & Hailey? Or you might examine this:
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...us-troops-in-ukraine-can-now-earn-hazard-pay/

6 - Actually I would argue the Russian elections now are more free and open than the USA! [There have been international election watchers that approved Russian elections while the USA elections are surrounded with fraud and vote manipulation with observers excluded even where they had a legal right to be!]
https://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/russia/491069
Meanwhile President Zelensky prohibited Ukrainian elections:
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-birthday-grenade-b1b82e4f84eb5a39286d1500cf49fcd1

You live in cuckoo land if you think Russia's elections are free and fair. As to Ukraine, who would conduct elections in the middle of a war? Polling booths simply give a great target for Russia, who kills civilians without a second thought. I don't know about America's elections. I do believe conspiracy theories are mostly baseless.

Do you even know what a Nazi is? It is firstly socialism (ie the control of means of production by the state). Secondly, it is race based. There are Nazis in just about every country. That does not make the country in question Nazi.

No nation is entirely righteous. Ukraine is the lesser of two evils. The Russian Orthodox church, or at least the leadership, is a tool of Satan. It's no more Christian than Islam is. I'm sure there are genuine believers in both Ukraine and Russian Orthodox.

Russia has assassinated a number of people who oppose the regime. Journalists, oligarchs, opposition politicians are among those Putin has murdered in order to maintain control. Some of those have been killed using poison such as polonium or a chemical agent called Novichok. I confused bioweapons and chemical weapons. My mistake. They are both outlawed under international conventions.

The Ukraine war should never have happened. If the spineless West had dealt with Putin in 2014, many lives would have been saved on both sides. That's apart from the cost of defending Ukraine from Russia's unjustified aggression. People like Putin will sacrifice anyone and anything, except their own lives and lifestyle, to achieve their wicked aims.

 

[gb9]

You live in cuckoo land if you think Russia's elections are free and fair. As to Ukraine, who would conduct elections in the middle of a war? Polling booths simply give a great target for Russia, who kills civilians without a second thought. I don't know about America's elections. I do believe conspiracy theories are mostly baseless.

Do you even know what a Nazi is? It is firstly socialism (ie the control of means of production by the state). Secondly, it is race based. There are Nazis in just about every country. That does not make the country in question Nazi.

No nation is entirely righteous. Ukraine is the lesser of two evils. The Russian Orthodox church, or at least the leadership, is a tool of Satan. It's no more Christian than Islam is. I'm sure there are genuine believers in both Ukraine and Russian Orthodox.

Russia has assassinated a number of people who oppose the regime. Journalists, oligarchs, opposition politicians are among those Putin has murdered in order to maintain control. Some of those have been killed using poison such as polonium or a chemical agent called Novichok. I confused bioweapons and chemical weapons. My mistake. They are both outlawed under international conventions.

The Ukraine war should never have happened. If the spineless West had dealt with Putin in 2014, many lives would have been saved on both sides. That's apart from the cost of defending Ukraine from Russia's unjustified aggression. People like Putin will sacrifice anyone and anything, except their own lives and lifestyle, to achieve their wicked aims.

the azov brigade in ukraine is a openly nazi unit.


look at their symbol.

 

[Gideon300]

the azov brigade in ukraine is a openly nazi unit.


look at their symbol.

Even if that is true, which I have reason to disbelieve, it is no excuse to invade a sovereign nation and kill its civilians and deliberately destroy civilian infrastructure. There are Nazis in every country, some openly, others secretly. That includes Russia. You may be aware that it was not Ukraine that started the war. And it began in 2014, not in 2022.

 

[Gojira]

Even if that is true, which I have reason to disbelieve, it is no excuse to invade a sovereign nation and kill its civilians and deliberately destroy civilian infrastructure. There are Nazis in every country, some openly, others secretly. That includes Russia. You may be aware that it was not Ukraine that started the war. And it began in 2014, not in 2022.

And in both cases it was Russia that was the aggressor, using the Nazi-style rationale that he's saving ethnic Russians. All the while people forget Putin's expressed desire to reconstitute the old Soviet buffer states.

He has to be resisted, but how is the issue.