America needs to defeat Russia in Ukraine NOW!!!!

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So...if we become too much of a problem for Putin...destruction of the USA makes sense...he loses a business competitor and a war rival in one fell swoop. Not to mention everyone else will be fearful of what comes next.
Russian rockets, what as flop.
RUSSIA’S WAR ON UKRAINE

Russian missile kills 30 civilians at Ukraine train station
Authorities said the strike wounded more than 100 people.

https://tinyurl.com/2p97x5ha
,.,.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61036740
The above “Russian” rockets look rather primitive.
This is what an American rocket looks like—

https://tinyurl.com/2sc5yksm
https://tinyurl.com/2p9yd7rj
Just between you and me, the above looks like a “rocket”
going somewhere
The Russian rockets


looks like a “dud”
Rusky duds at that :)-
https://tinyurl.com/w255jh3h
 

JohnDB

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#42
Russian rockets, what as flop.
RUSSIA’S WAR ON UKRAINE

Russian missile kills 30 civilians at Ukraine train station
Authorities said the strike wounded more than 100 people.

https://tinyurl.com/2p97x5ha
,.,.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61036740
The above “Russian” rockets look rather primitive.
This is what an American rocket looks like—

https://tinyurl.com/2sc5yksm
https://tinyurl.com/2p9yd7rj
Just between you and me, the above looks like a “rocket”
going somewhere
The Russian rockets


looks like a “dud”
Rusky duds at that :)-
https://tinyurl.com/w255jh3h
Russia doesn't spend a huge amount of money on their munitions. Sure they have a few high dollar munitions but the majority is spent on low dollar munitions....
Which is kinda ironic. Russia has had some of the best theorists and design technicians for decades. They were first into space for a reason. While we were busy designing a pen that would work in space the Russians grabbed a pencil and went with it.

But...even though there is much being made out of the rockets that miss their targets...we have had our misses too. However, yes, Russian rockets and missiles tend to be only 80% accurate.

Zelinski is putting a LOT of effort into social media and putting their side of things on the internet. And it has helped him in raising awareness of his side...also its helped in demonizing the Russians.

Russia's social media campaign is busy elsewhere...and somewhat dismantled.

Previously you heard about Biden restoring Iran's sanctions...which cut off their telecommunications...

Both Russia and Iran have been in cahoots with social media campaigns of their own. And the focus of these are really surprising for many people. They were aligned with both sides of the political aisle...and our biggest political contentions in America and elsewhere are caused and excited in part by them.

Yes, that includes the political leanings concerning the quarantines, masks, and vaccines and racial tensions and transgender rights. All determined to weaken the unity America has which fuels a massive economy which dwarfs theirs. Also they preferred Biden getting elected over Trump...because Trump is a lot more decisive and creative than Biden ever dreamed about. He would have stopped Putin long before now. There would have been no invasion.
 
#43
Are you worried about if we don't go to war,
I could care less whether you care if others are being murdered.
I for one detest Putin and his ilk. I hope Putin is hanged in the public square.

then Tiawan may be next? Who knows, but is it worth the death toll of WW3?
There is not going to be a WW3. Putin will be hanged in the public square,
Ukraine will rebuild its cities with UN help and China will remain on the sidelines.
 

Roughsoul1991

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#44
I could care less whether you care if others are being murdered.
I for one detest Putin and his ilk. I hope Putin is hanged in the public square.


There is not going to be a WW3. Putin will be hanged in the public square,
Ukraine will rebuild its cities with UN help and China will remain on the sidelines.
Do you care for innocent life?

You can not objectively say there will not be a third world war or know what China will do. If you can see the future then what will be the price of gas next time I fill up my tank?
 
#45
Do you care for innocent life?
Do I care? Yes; Do YOU?
We are all watching the Russian ilk bomb entire towns, killing many men, women and children. The EU & the USA needs to get in this fight destroying every tank, everything with a Russian name attached to it until they are driven out of Ukraine or six feet under.
You can not objectively say there will not be a third world war or know what China will do.

There will not be a third world war, PERIOD.

If you can see the future then what will be the price of gas next time I fill up my tank?
Price of gas-? Russia does not control the price of gas. The price of gas is tied to supply and demand. But that is really a mute point.

World Oil Reserves
1,650,585,140,000 barrels
47 years of oil left
(at current consumption levels)
World Oil Statistics - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

China is getting off of oil because they see the writing on the wall--
https://tinyurl.com/2ernx5n3
 

Roughsoul1991

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#46
Do I care? Yes; Do YOU?
We are all watching the Russian ilk bomb entire towns, killing many men, women and children. The EU & the USA needs to get in this fight destroying every tank, everything with a Russian name attached to it until they are driven out of Ukraine or six feet under.

There will not be a third world war, PERIOD.


Price of gas-? Russia does not control the price of gas. The price of gas is tied to supply and demand. But that is really a mute point.

World Oil Reserves
1,650,585,140,000 barrels
47 years of oil left
(at current consumption levels)
World Oil Statistics - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

China is getting off of oil because they see the writing on the wall--
https://tinyurl.com/2ernx5n3
Yes I do care but you are advocating for millions of more innocent lives to be lost in a global war because that's what will happen through a NATO alliance.

How do you justify millions of deaths? Especially when there have been innocent people dying everyday in China, Africa, North Korea, Iran, India, etc? Where do you draw the line?

I was saying if you can predict the future then tell me what ill pay at the pump because you can not objectively say there will be no third world war.
 
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#47
America needs to defeat Russia in Ukraine NOW!!!!
America needs to use our air force, navy, and yes, boots on the ground NOW!!!
Putin's military will not allow Putin to use the big bomb, it is a bluff and we, the American people need to call Putin's bluff.
NOW!!!!!!
There's a much easier and less dangerous way to do this than by engaging a nuclear power: Open the dang XL pipeline and restart fracking. We were energy-independent under Trump. Now, we're facing $6/gal gas, begging our enemies for oil, and Russia can still twist the testicles of our European allies.

No, just turn on the spigot, be the supplier to our allies, and Russia will lose its bread.

I know this is reminiscent of WWII, but neither Japan, Italy nor Germany had a nuclear weapon. There are other ways to battle this beast.
 

Gideon300

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#48
The USA has become an exporter of natural gas once again in the form of LNG.
Because Europe needs it.

So...if we become too much of a problem for Putin...destruction of the USA makes sense...he loses a business competitor and a war rival in one fell swoop. Not to mention everyone else will be fearful of what comes next.
Putin has misread Ukraine. If he uses his nuclear arsenal against NATO, it's over for him and Russia. Even Putin is not that stupid. No one wins a nuclear war. In the aftermath, there will be no business, war will be with sticks and stones - if there is anyone left to fight.

Look up "nuclear winter". That's what we will face if nuclear weapons are used. We will long for the good old days of global warming (if that really is a thing).
 

soberxp

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Satan, step back.

War is wrong. So far, China has not launched a war against Taiwan because China hopes that Taiwan will return peacefully and China can reunify peacefully. For China, the United States has always obstructed Taiwan's peaceful reunification, so war may be the inevitable result,But the United States will not necessarily participate in this war.

Someone just want war to happen,don't really care if anyone will die in war.

If there is a war in the Taiwan Strait, the Ukrainian war is a microcosm,Some will be richer because of the weapons they export, so they won't care how many Taiwanese will died in war.
 

soberxp

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America needs to defeat Russia in Ukraine NOW!!!!
America needs to use our air force, navy, and yes, boots on the ground NOW!!!
Putin's military will not allow Putin to use the big bomb, it is a bluff and we, the American people need to call Putin's bluff.
NOW!!!!!!
The reason why the United States will not send troops to Ukraine is that the United States hopes that Ukraine will become a quagmire of war, just like when the United States launched a war in the past.
 

soberxp

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CAN YOU WALK AWAY FROM "justice" POLITICS?
 
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JAPOV

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America needs to defeat Russia in Ukraine NOW!!!!
America needs to use our air force, navy, and yes, boots on the ground NOW!!!
Putin's military will not allow Putin to use the big bomb, it is a bluff and we, the American people need to call Putin's bluff.
NOW!!!!!!
Firstly, everyone knows there's going to be a WWIII... It's already been named Armageddon.
However, that should never be an excuse for complacency.

Allowing Putin to take Ukraine sets a very bad precedent. It's like saying, "Well, the NWO is simply in process of forming so, we need to break a few eggs." The problem is, what will Putin do next? Ally with Iran? Support Iran's nuclear ambitions? ATTACK ISRAEL!?
 

soberxp

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Firstly, everyone knows there's going to be a WWIII... It's already been named Armageddon.
However, that should never be an excuse for complacency.

Allowing Putin to take Ukraine sets a very bad precedent. It's like saying, "Well, the NWO is simply in process of forming so, we need to break a few eggs." The problem is, what will Putin do next? Ally with Iran? Support Iran's nuclear ambitions? ATTACK ISRAEL!?
Matthew 6:34
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Ukraine is just a chess piece between western and Russia. It can be break for some reason.

The Western never really wants to help Ukraine, otherwise Ukraine has joined NATO or the EU
 
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Matthew 6:34
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
Romans 12-
21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

We are not called to complacency ;)
 

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yes go to war send other peoples kids to fight so the Biden's can continue in corruption...

The USA kills more people by a womans choice then Putin
 
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yes go to war send other peoples kids to fight so the Biden's can continue in corruption...

The USA kills more people by a womans choice then Putin
WOW! Perfect example of how politics convolutes ethics...;)
 
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America needs to defeat Russia in Ukraine NOW!!!!
America needs to use our air force, navy, and yes, boots on the ground NOW!!!
Putin's military will not allow Putin to use the big bomb, it is a bluff and we, the American people need to call Putin's bluff.
NOW!!!!!!
It isn't necessary to provoke a nuclear war between two militarily capable powers; this is a typical proxy war.
 
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1. Move our forces in europe to west border of Ukraine. Move 2 divisions and major air force assets in the U.S. to europe. Tell Russia in 4 days, U.S. forces are going to start moving into Ukraine and securing Ukraine's pre-war boarder. If Russian forces engage us, we will defend ourselves with the maximum conventional fire power we have available. If Russian forces are identified by us, they will be warned to retreat, and will be attacked with the maximum conventional firepower we possess at a time of our chosing if they do not retreat immediately. After Russian troops are out of Ukraine, and they will leave or die, sanctions will be lifted. IMO, 2. We pay the price 10 fold trying to fix our countries inconsistent oversea policies if Ukraine falls completely to Russia. 3. The United States falls and nothing stops evil in the world, I think there are many in our country that would like to see that, we know there are countries in the world that would love to see that. What do you think.
 

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Ukraine is also evil ... It is not my grandsons duty to die for the corrupt government of the Ukraine