Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

[Bible_Highlighter]

Your interpretation of Psalm 12:6-7 is wrong. Read the whole psalm, not just the two verses. Then you will see what the subject is. God keeps His children safe—for all eternity, not just this generation. That protection is something you can rely on because the Creator personally makes that commitment to you. It's a promise you can claim.

The immediate context of verse 7 is God’s pure words (verse 6) being preserved forever. But I am not going to ignore the rest chapter by any means. I also agree that God’s people is included in being preserved forever, too. It is talking about seeing they are both the context. We would not have faith if it was not for the Bible. Jesus says heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Oops…. I‘m an English teacher, and I disagree. As the psalm opens, the psalmist is pleading for help because godliness is disappearing from the earth. The Lord responds to his plea in verse 5. If this were written in prose, verse 5 would be a separate paragraph. In verses 6-8, the psalmist expresses his reassurance that his faithful God will help His people and provide safety for the sake of the oppressed “poor and needy” in verse 5.

I basically said an English teacher without a bias. Again, “them” (verse 7) in light of preservation is referring to the words of the Lord (verse 6) (immediate context) and it is referring to God’s people (the broader context).

To ignore verse 6 is silly.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Oops…. I‘m an English teacher, and I disagree. As the psalm opens, the psalmist is pleading for help because godliness is disappearing from the earth. The Lord responds to his plea in verse 5. If this were written in prose, verse 5 would be a separate paragraph. In verses 6-8, the psalmist expresses his reassurance that his faithful God will help His people and provide safety for the sake of the oppressed “poor and needy” in verse 5.

Besides, there are other verses that teach God’s words are perfect and they will be preserved forever. This passage gets under many people’s skin because they simply do like what it says. This of course is not the only verse or passage Christians have a problem with.

 

[Magenta]

Isaiah 40:8: The grass withers, the flower fades,
But the word of our God stands forever.

Isaiah 40:6B-8

 

[posthuman]

The immediate context of verse 7 is God’s pure words (verse 6) being preserved forever.

His words are found in verse 5.

why would you completely ignore them and instead decide they refer to a translation that came 4000 years later instead of the verse right next to the one where this is written?

 

[posthuman]

the words of the Lord (verse 6)

verse 5.

verse 5 contains the pure words of the LORD.

verse 5 is the immediate context of verse 6.

honestly this Psalm is one the absolute worst kjv-only arguments that exists. it is incredibly obvious if one reads the whole psalm that it had nothing to do with a mid 17th century translation into a pagan language. it's about God being faithful to preserve His children.

 

[posthuman]

To ignore verse 6 is silly.

How silly is it to ignore vv. 1-5 and v. 8?

which one of those is about a pagan language translation made thousands of years later?

none of them.

 

[BeeBlessed]

I basically said an English teacher without a bias. Again, “them” (verse 7) in light of preservation is referring to the words of the Lord (verse 6) (immediate context) and it is referring to God’s people (the broader context).

To ignore verse 6 is silly.

Besides, there are other verses that teach God’s words are perfect and they will be preserved forever. This passage gets under many people’s skin because they simply do like what it says. This of course is not the only verse or passage Christians have a problem with.

My bias is against ignoring God’s promise in verse 5. That promise is the context for the entire psalm. And yes, there certainly are other verses that say God’s word will endure forever, which I provided.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Oops…. I‘m an English teacher, and I disagree. As the psalm opens, the psalmist is pleading for help because godliness is disappearing from the earth. The Lord responds to his plea in verse 5. If this were written in prose, verse 5 would be a separate paragraph. In verses 6-8, the psalmist expresses his reassurance that his faithful God will help His people and provide safety for the sake of the oppressed “poor and needy” in verse 5.

What is one way that you get godliness? By righteous instruction by Scripture.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
[16] “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

How silly is it to ignore vv. 1-5 and v. 8?

which one of those is about a pagan language translation made thousands of years later?

none of them.

I didn’t. I believe verses 5 and 8 just fine. The poor as mentioned in verse 5 will be kept forever. It is the promise of God’s words that you are reading about this tells you so. Without these words of the Lord being preserved for us today, you wouldn’t know. Both God’s words and his people will be preserved.

God’s Word says His words will be preserved forever (Psalms 12:6-7) (Isaiah 40:8) (1 Peter 1:23-25) (Also compare John 17:17 with Psalms 100:5 and Psalms 117:2). In fact, scrolls of Scripture were written on either vellum (flesh/animal skins) or papyri (i.e., grass). The scribes knew they had to keep making copies to preserve God’s words because the scrolls of the Scriptures would get old and decay and perish. So the flesh of the animal skins and the grass used to write Scripture would eventually pass away. Peter says, “For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever…” (1 Peter 1:24-25). So even though old copies would die out, new ones would replace them, preserving the words of the Lord forever. In fact, Jesus says, “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” (Matthew 24:35).

 

[Magenta]

To ignore verse 6 is silly.

Good thing nobody did... oh, I guess you ignored that fact .

 

[BeeBlessed]

What is one way that you get godliness? By righteous instruction by Scripture.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
[16] “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”

God’s grace saves us, just as He promises in Psalm 12:5. Only then, by faith and with the help of the Holy Spirit, can scripture instruct and guide. But God’s promise of salvation and His plan to defeat sin and death (Satan) is what all scripture is about.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

My bias is against ignoring God’s promise in verse 5. That promise is the context for the entire psalm. And yes, there certainly are other verses that say God’s word will endure forever, which I provided.

A person can ignore the pure words of the Lord in verse 6 and make “them” in verse 7 all about the godly or needy being preserved and not his words because this is the only passage that combines Gods words being pure with verse 7 “them” (his words) being kept forever. We are godly only because of Scripture and the working of God if we submit to His Word. The people of God cannot be preserved with His perfect Word.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Good thing nobody did... oh, I guess you ignored that fact .

So you believe Gods pure words will be preserved or kept forever?

 

[BeeBlessed]

I didn’t. I believe verses 5 and 8 just fine. The poor as mentioned in verse 5 will be kept forever. It is the promise of God’s words that you are reading about this tells you so. Without these words of the Lord being preserved for us today, you wouldn’t know. Both God’s words and his people will be preserved.

God’s Word says His words will be preserved forever (Psalms 12:6-7) (Isaiah 40:8) (1 Peter 1:23-25) (Also compare John 17:17 with Psalms 100:5 and Psalms 117:2). In fact, scrolls of Scripture were written on either vellum (flesh/animal skins) or papyri (i.e., grass). The scribes knew they had to keep making copies to preserve God’s words because the scrolls of the Scriptures would get old and decay and perish. So the flesh of the animal skins and the grass used to write Scripture would eventually pass away. Peter says, “For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever…” (1 Peter 1:24-25). So even though old copies would die out, new ones would replace them, preserving the words of the Lord forever. In fact, Jesus says, “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” (Matthew 24:35).

No one is debating the fact that God’s word has been preserved throughout the ages—only that Psalm 12 is about God preserving His people.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

God’s grace saves us, just as He promises in Psalm 12:5. Only then, by faith and with the help of the Holy Spirit, can scripture instruct and guide. But God’s promise of salvation and His plan to defeat sin and death (Satan) is what all scripture is about.

So you agree that living righteously does involve Scripture? If so, His pure words must be preserved to keep God’s people to live godly by the empowerment of the Spirit.

 

[BeeBlessed]

So you believe Gods pure words will be preserved or kept forever?

We all believe that God’s word is eternal and has been preserved for us throughout time.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

No one is debating the fact that God’s word has been preserved throughout the ages—only that Psalm 12 is about God preserving His people.

But why would you skip verse 6 (God’s pure words) which is the immediate context of verse 7? It’s like verse 6 is some kind of outside thought that is not included in verse 7.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

We all believe that God’s word is eternal and has been preserved for us throughout time.

Textual Critics or Original Onlyists do not believe this is the case with Scripture or the Bible we have today.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

A person can ignore the pure words of the Lord in verse 6 and make “them” in verse 7 all about the godly or needy being preserved and not his words because this is the only passage that combines Gods words being pure with verse 7 “them” (his words) being kept forever. We are godly only because of Scripture and the working of God if we submit to His Word. The people of God cannot be preserved with His perfect Word.

Meant to say that the people of God cannot be preserved without His perfect Word.