Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

[NTNT58]

The concept of the true church and the concept of the apostate heretical church, sure. You have them confused.

No, Pharisees were heretics and apostates as well, but Jesus still told everyone to obey them in Mathew 23:3. Our spiritual authority is God and his word, but we also have physical worldly authority that we are to follow according to Romans 13:1. Do you disobey the laws of your country when you can get away with it?

 

[DRobinson]

Recently I came across this video on Youtube where the guy uses software to count number of occurrences of certain words in the bible and the King James version is just FILLED completely with all kinds of secret messages.

I downloaded the software (King James Pure Bible Search) and went to work... so far I found prophet Muhammad's birth and death year

I looked up all occurrences and variations of the words false, prophet and Ishmaelite. I got 633 occurences in 570 verses.

false|falsely|falsehood
prophet|prophet's|prophets|
ishmaelite|ishmael|ishmael's|ishmaelites

Now I'm wondering if it's just a coincidence/confirmation bias.

The guy's Youtube channel has a lot of other videos with countless other encoded formulas that make it just about impossible to dismiss the whole thing as coincidence or conspiracy.

Most of what is in Scripture is a secret to most people.

 

[Magenta]

No, Pharisees were heretics and apostates as well, but Jesus still told everyone to obey them in Mathew 23:3.
Our spiritual authority is God and his word, but we also have physical worldly authority that we are to follow
according to Romans 13:1. Do you disobey the laws of your country when you can get away with it?

You must have missed the part where Jesus said to call no man father. Big fat oopsie on your part.

You wanna make the pope your spiritual authority? I feel for you, but I will not follow.

 

[NTNT58]

The rock isn't Peter. The rock that the church is built on is the revelation by the Father of the truth concerning the Son. This was the blessing Peter received...faith. And by grace through faith is exactly how the church grows.

That's fine, it doesn't change the fact that Jesus gave Peter the keys and Peter was the chief among the apostles. Peter being a rock is a weak argument, which is why I never based my argument on it.

 

[selahsays]

My apologies. I should have clarified that better. The Mediterranean world.




With the Hebrew / Aramaic Scriptures and the Greek Scriptures. Theses were the original manuscripts.



I believe the promise of Psalms 12:6-7.
Many do not like the message of this passage and so that try figure out a work around to explain it away. In my view, I know I cannot escape God’s Word. It is eternal.



Brandon Peterson goes into explaining the beasts. But he shows you the connection between Isaiah 34 and Revelation. See his Bible commentary on it here.

Your interpretation of Psalm 12:6-7 is wrong. Read the whole psalm, not just the two verses. Then you will see what the subject is. God keeps His children safe—for all eternity, not just this generation. That protection is something you can rely on because the Creator personally makes that commitment to you. It's a promise you can claim.

 

[NTNT58]

You must have missed the part where Jesus said to call no man father. Big fat oopsie on your part.

You wanna make the pope your spiritual authority? I feel for you, but I will not follow.

Pharisees did a lot worse than that, so that's irrelevant. They are extremely corrupt, but so are all our earthly governments, but we still have to obey laws as told in Romans 13:1. All authority is from God, and anyone who rebels against authority, rebels against God himself. Stop rebelling against God.

 

[NightTwister]

That's a strawman argument, I never claimed to have chosen ESV as my authority, I am continually researching various versions of the Bible to find which one is most credible. It is you who have sided with KJV based on Bible verses you can't even prove (or refuse to prove) yourself. I found many errors in the KJV that take nothing short of Olympic-level mental gymnastics to solve. The only proof that KJV is the word of God is in the video I posted since only a higher power could predict the future and encode mathematical formulas into a translation of language non-existent at the time. One could also argue that Satan can see into the future and it was him that encoded those formulas, but that would be a weak argument in my opinion. One thing for certain is that you have not provided ANY evidence from Bible verses that you claimed backed up KJV as the word of God.

You are also forgetting that before the gospels were written, they were passed down orally, which is why Romans 10:17 says faith comes by hearing, not reading. The message main of God has always been preserved, it is only smaller details that are put into question which version is most correct. And just because Alexandrian manuscripts are corrupt that doesn't mean KJV is not. You can't prove which manuscripts are 100% the word of God as opposed to only 99.9% the word of God.

I'm certain that God can still save you with a Bible that is only 99.9% accurate. In fact, most versions agree on the essentials.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

That's a strawman argument, I never claimed to have chosen ESV as my authority, I am continually researching various versions of the Bible to find which one is most credible.

This is not possible if you believe the Catholic Church is an authority. One needs to be born again by the Spirit and by water (Which is the Scriptures).

It is you who have sided with KJV based on Bible verses you can't even prove (or refuse to prove) yourself.

I have come up with 101 reasons for the KJB being the pure Word of God. I also came up with 10 major categories for the KJB, as well. But my free PDF write up is not finished yet. Hopefully in the Spring, Lord willing.

I found many errors in the KJV that take nothing short of Olympic-level mental gymnastics to solve.

Because you don’t believe in the promise of Psalms 12:6-7 and you have not been born again by the Spirit and the Scriptures. You need the Spirit and you cannot choose to fight against certain verses in the Bible. Over the years, God has helped to explain the supposed contradictions in the Bible. But men are carnal and they will see error when it is not.

The only proof that KJV is the word of God is in the video I posted since only a higher power could predict the future and encode mathematical formulas into a translation of language non-existent at the time. One could also argue that Satan can see into the future and it was him that encoded those formulas, but that would be a weak argument in my opinion.

Only Protestant Christians generally will be able to see the truth in those videos and not those who are sympathetic to the Catholic Church. Your belief that the KJB is divine by its codes is not compatible with your defense of Catholicism. So the ESV should be more up your alley seeing it is a Vatican produced Bible. The KJB used to be forbidden by Catholics.

 

[NTNT58]

I'm certain that God can still save you with a Bible that is only 99.9% accurate. In fact, most versions agree on the essentials.

Agreed, but the point of this discussion is finding which version is the truest (if any) because many opponents of Christianity use our lack of knowledge to pull people into Islam.

 

[Cameron143]

That's fine, it doesn't change the fact that Jesus gave Peter the keys and Peter was the chief among the apostles. Peter being a rock is a weak argument, which is why I never based my argument on it.

I appreciate that you would admit this. And I appreciate your zeal. But it remains apart from knowledge. Nothing I say will convince you, but do take it before the Lord and see what He might impart. Grace and peace.

 

[NightTwister]

Agreed, but the point of this discussion is finding which version is the truest (if any) because many opponents of Christianity use our lack of knowledge to pull people into Islam.

That's good for academics. Not so much for the purpose you describe.

 

[NTNT58]

This is not possible if you believe the Catholic Church is an authority. One needs to be born again by the Spirit and by water (Which is the Scriptures).

You must have missed the many times I've said "We must obey everything commanded by authority unless it contradicts the Bible."

I agree one needs to be born again, that doesn't change the fact that one needs to obey the laws of his country and the church, because rebelling against authority is rebelling against God.

Because you don’t believe in the promise of Psalms 12:6-7 and you have not been born again by the Spirit and the Scriptures. You need the Spirit and you cannot choose to fight against certain verses in the Bible. Over the years, God has helped to explain the supposed contradictions in the Bible. But men are carnal and they will see error when it is not.

You have NO authority to tell what a particular verse means. I've asked you several times to provide proof for your interpretation and you never did. Probably because you don't know Hebrew and you can't prove anything.

If anyone is not born again, it is definitely you, since you keep rebelling against God's authority.

 

[NTNT58]

Nothing I say will convince you

That's a wrong assumption on your part. A few months ago I was on your side of the aisle firmly against the authority of the Catholic church, I then did more research and found the answers. Out of dozens of verses I provided as proof, only 1 has been debunked so far.

 

[NTNT58]

That's good for academics. Not so much for the purpose you describe.

Do you minister? Do you try to bring people to Christ? What do you tell someone who rightfully claims the Bible is corrupt and nobody knows which version is 100% accurate? Because if you don't have the answer for that, many people will simply say the original unchanged version of Quran is still preserved by Allah in Meccah.

 

[Cameron143]

That's a wrong assumption on your part. A few months ago I was on your side of the aisle firmly against the authority of the Catholic church, I then did more research and found the answers. Out of dozens of verses I provided as proof, only 1 has been debunked so far.

Your verses have been refuted. You have only accepted one argument. Again, I won't convince you, neither am I trying to. If truth is truly what you seek, God will not withhold it from you.

 

[NTNT58]

Your verses have been refuted. You have only accepted one argument.

Wrong. Nobody even addressed these, let alone refute them.

Peter was listed first among disciples (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13).
Peter was the one who generally spoke for the apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69), and he figured in many of the most dramatic scenes (Matt. 14:28-32, 17:24-27; Mark 10:23-28).
On Pentecost it was Peter who first preached to the crowds (Acts 2:14-40), and he worked the first healing in the Church age (Acts 3:6-7).
It is Peter’s faith that will strengthen his brethren (Luke 22:32) and Peter is given Christ’s flock to shepherd (John 21:17).
An angel was sent to announce the resurrection to Peter (Mark 16:7), and the risen Christ appeared first to Peter (Luke 24:34).
He headed the meeting that elected Matthias to replace Judas (Acts 1:13-26), and he received the first converts (Acts 2:41).
He inflicted the first punishment (Acts 5:1-11) and excommunicated the first heretic (Acts 8:18-23).
He led the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15) and announced the first dogmatic decision (Acts 15:7-11).
It was to Peter that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48).
Jesus gave Peter the keys to heaven in Mathew 16:19 because he was the first one to acknowledge him as the Messiah.
After the Resurrection, Jesus appeared to his disciples and asked Peter three times, “Do you love me?” (John 21:15-17). In repentance for his threefold denial, Peter gave a threefold affirmation of love. Then Christ, the Good Shepherd (John 10:11, 14), gave Peter the authority he earlier had promised: “Feed my sheep” (John 21:17). This specifically included the other apostles, since Jesus asked Peter, “Do you love me more than these?” (John 21:15), the word “these” referring to the other apostles who were present (John 21:2).

 

[NightTwister]

Do you minister? Do you try to bring people to Christ? What do you tell someone who rightfully claims the Bible is corrupt and nobody knows which version is 100% accurate? Because if you don't have the answer for that, many people will simply say the original unchanged version of Quran is still preserved by Allah in Meccah.

Arguing about Bible versions will never save anyone.

 

[NightTwister]

Wrong. Nobody even addressed these, let alone refute them.

Peter was listed first among disciples (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13).
Peter was the one who generally spoke for the apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69), and he figured in many of the most dramatic scenes (Matt. 14:28-32, 17:24-27; Mark 10:23-28).
On Pentecost it was Peter who first preached to the crowds (Acts 2:14-40), and he worked the first healing in the Church age (Acts 3:6-7).
It is Peter’s faith that will strengthen his brethren (Luke 22:32) and Peter is given Christ’s flock to shepherd (John 21:17).
An angel was sent to announce the resurrection to Peter (Mark 16:7), and the risen Christ appeared first to Peter (Luke 24:34).
He headed the meeting that elected Matthias to replace Judas (Acts 1:13-26), and he received the first converts (Acts 2:41).
He inflicted the first punishment (Acts 5:1-11) and excommunicated the first heretic (Acts 8:18-23).
He led the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15) and announced the first dogmatic decision (Acts 15:7-11).
It was to Peter that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48).
Jesus gave Peter the keys to heaven in Mathew 16:19 because he was the first one to acknowledge him as the Messiah.
After the Resurrection, Jesus appeared to his disciples and asked Peter three times, “Do you love me?” (John 21:15-17). In repentance for his threefold denial, Peter gave a threefold affirmation of love. Then Christ, the Good Shepherd (John 10:11, 14), gave Peter the authority he earlier had promised: “Feed my sheep” (John 21:17). This specifically included the other apostles, since Jesus asked Peter, “Do you love me more than these?” (John 21:15), the word “these” referring to the other apostles who were present (John 21:2).

Having to paste the same comment over and over shows you've lost the argument.

 

[Cameron143]

Wrong. Nobody even addressed these, let alone refute them.

Peter was listed first among disciples (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13).
Peter was the one who generally spoke for the apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69), and he figured in many of the most dramatic scenes (Matt. 14:28-32, 17:24-27; Mark 10:23-28).
On Pentecost it was Peter who first preached to the crowds (Acts 2:14-40), and he worked the first healing in the Church age (Acts 3:6-7).
It is Peter’s faith that will strengthen his brethren (Luke 22:32) and Peter is given Christ’s flock to shepherd (John 21:17).
An angel was sent to announce the resurrection to Peter (Mark 16:7), and the risen Christ appeared first to Peter (Luke 24:34).
He headed the meeting that elected Matthias to replace Judas (Acts 1:13-26), and he received the first converts (Acts 2:41).
He inflicted the first punishment (Acts 5:1-11) and excommunicated the first heretic (Acts 8:18-23).
He led the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15) and announced the first dogmatic decision (Acts 15:7-11).
It was to Peter that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48).
Jesus gave Peter the keys to heaven in Mathew 16:19 because he was the first one to acknowledge him as the Messiah.
After the Resurrection, Jesus appeared to his disciples and asked Peter three times, “Do you love me?” (John 21:15-17). In repentance for his threefold denial, Peter gave a threefold affirmation of love. Then Christ, the Good Shepherd (John 10:11, 14), gave Peter the authority he earlier had promised: “Feed my sheep” (John 21:17). This specifically included the other apostles, since Jesus asked Peter, “Do you love me more than these?” (John 21:15), the word “these” referring to the other apostles who were present (John 21:2).

Peter was used greatly of God in Jerusalem. Paul was used to go to the Gentiles and did much more than Peter. Should I say because Paul outworked Peter, Jesus came to him personally, and used him to write more of the new testament, he was given bigger keys?

 

[NTNT58]

Arguing about Bible versions will never save anyone.

Having an answer about the reliability of the Bible will definitely pull people away from Islam. What do you tell people?