So God was wrong to choose Paul? Sorry, I trust the LORD, not what you have to say. It is written.
We are not yet in the New Covenant prophecied by Jeremiah and Ezekiel - that is the Millennial reign
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I THINK - a common expression:
The expression "I think myself also to have the spirit of God" does not necessitate doubt by Paul.
This is just a figure of speech.
It is a humble, almost self effacing way, of making a claim of oneself... as was common at the time.
We often use the very same expression (I think) in modern times, but often in a humorous way.
If you're a mechanic and somebody asks if you know how to work on a car, you might grin and say, "I think I know how to work on a car."
Using the word "think" before a statement doesn't have to imply doubt.
It's a common way of speaking, and we still do it today.
To Dispel Any Doubt:
There are other passages that clearly say Paul has the spirit of God.
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'You will share the truth of Jesus Christ and the coherent picture of the Bible despite the incoherence that Paul brings about?'
The key to everything is Jesus Christ. Paul served his purpose and trying to cut him down isn't my quest.
Shalom DavidIsrael
After Yeshua died on the Cross, was placed in a Burial Tomb, Resurrected to His Original State as the WORD, then Ascended, now is Positioned at the Right Hand of Power, do you think Yeshua was Crowned King of kings and Lord of lords, at this point in time?
After Yeshua died on the Cross, was placed in a Burial Tomb, Resurrected to His Original State as the WORD, then Ascended, now is Positioned at the Right Hand of Power, do you think Yeshua was Crowned King of kings and Lord of lords, at this point in time?
Oh my gosh. You are irredeemable. It clearly states that that is the New Covenant and Paul says that has started in Hebrews 8:8 through Jesus. That's my point - that is the Millennial reign. But that is the New Covenant.
1. not everyone has the same Scriptural Understanding
2. no one has presented You any False Doctrine that cannot be backed by Scripture
3. we're Family in God
Now, i understand your approach because this is what's done in Synagogue and between discussing Torah/Tanakh
this is how Yeshua would have discussed things in His Day
He called them Vipers and full of dead man's bones because they were presenting the Law and their ""personal interpretation"" of the Law.
but on American Debate Boards, they see this as being hostile, even though, for the Jews, they believe they're debating on the level of Life and Death.
this is "friendly advice."
unfortunately, a Jew, even a Messianic Jew, is not allowed to be themselves on these Forums.
Pretend to be American, and it will go better for You
What you said is a call to censorship, this is a discussion forum, he is just expressing an opinion based on scripture.1. not everyone has the same Scriptural Understanding
2. no one has presented You any False Doctrine that cannot be backed by Scripture
3. we're Family in God
Now, i understand your approach because this is what's done in Synagogue and between discussing Torah/Tanakh
this is how Yeshua would have discussed things in His Day
He called them Vipers and full of dead man's bones because they were presenting the Law and their ""personal interpretation"" of the Law.
but on American Debate Boards, they see this as being hostile, even though, for the Jews, they believe they're debating on the level of Life and Death.
this is "friendly advice."
unfortunately, a Jew, even a Messianic Jew, is not allowed to be themselves on these Forums.
Pretend to be American, and it will go better for You
Peace!
the Guy is used to debating the same way they've been debating going on basically 4,000 years.
they're really thick skinned people.
probably can't wrap his brain around how it's done here.
they're really thick skinned people.
probably can't wrap his brain around how it's done here.
ever been in a yiddish synagogue in Israel and observed after the reading of the Torah and Prophets?
15 And after the reading of the law and the prophets, the rulers of the synagogue sent to them saying: Men, brethren, if there is in you any word of exhortation for the people, speak.
8 But he entered the synagogue and spoke boldly
Speaking boldly is a good thing as long as it is the truth! the truth must prevail above all!
Peace.
It's too long of a thread but I will address them if you wish to post them into a reply. Also, you can't accept someone as an Apostle but think their writings are in error.
You cannot apply what you know of English to what Paul wrote because he didn't use English. Only a scholar can explain wht Paul is saying:
Clarke:
I think - I have the Spirit of God - Δοκω δε κᾳγω Πνευμα Θεου εχειν might be translated, I am Certain that I have the Spirit of God. This sense of δοκειν (which we translate to seem, to think, to appear, etc.) I have noticed in another part of this work. Ulpian, on Demosthen. Olynth. 1, says, Το δοκειν ου παντως επι αμφιβολου ταττουσιν οἱ παλαιοι αλλα πολλακις και επι του αληθευειν· The word δοκειν is used by the ancients, not always to express what is Doubtful, but often to express what is True and Certain.
Paul isn't saying he isn't positive he has the Holy Spirit but that he is very positive he has the HS. The complete opposite of your non-Greek conclusion.
i am Jewish myself.
sephardim
born and raised in the USA
we debate differently.
we don't get offended.
shocked at those who do
it is what it is
but it is true you must conduct yourself according to the rules you debate at
that's the point i am trying to make to him
sephardim
born and raised in the USA
we debate differently.
we don't get offended.
shocked at those who do
it is what it is
but it is true you must conduct yourself according to the rules you debate at
that's the point i am trying to make to him
Apparently you can. Forget all you thought you knew. There's a new Apostle in chat. And this chat ain't big enough for the both of you. So at noon on the Lord's day...I was going to say Sabbath, but picking up a Bible and opening it up might be considered work if you are sitting on a chair greater than 2 feet in height and pointed any direction but east...there will be a sword drill to see who must get out of Dodge.
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