The Glasgow razor boy and eternal security
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If something needs to be restored it means it is broken.
So daily sins breaks this fellowship until we ask for forgiveness.
So, if you think future sins are automatically forgiven, but know sins breaks the fellowship with God, and you don't seek forgiveness, you are not in fellowship with God.
That proves the modern day Grace Doctrine is False.
So daily sins breaks this fellowship until we ask for forgiveness.
So, if you think future sins are automatically forgiven, but know sins breaks the fellowship with God, and you don't seek forgiveness, you are not in fellowship with God.
That proves the modern day Grace Doctrine is False.
When we are saved, we are given eternal life. We are placed into Christ. This is an irrevocable relationship. We did not place ourselves into Christ and we cannot take ourselves out of Christ.
When we sin, we are out of the proper relationship to God. We repent to restore fellowship and communion. But sin no longer condemns us. We only lose the manifest presence of God, and not the favor of God. Remember, it is the goodness of God that leads men to repentance. It is an ongoing grace of God to give repentance.
Losing fellowship is not the same as losing relationship or position. We always remain in Christ. We don't always remain in fellowship.
I'm always curious...do you have to be born from above after each sin? How many times is a person saved? If a person dies without confessing a sin, do they go to hell? How many people have confessed every sin?
And lastly, on what basis is God faithful and JUST to forgive us of our sin?
Please answer my questions. You have yet to address them.
When we sin, we are out of the proper relationship to God. We repent to restore fellowship and communion. But sin no longer condemns us. We only lose the manifest presence of God, and not the favor of God. Remember, it is the goodness of God that leads men to repentance. It is an ongoing grace of God to give repentance.
Losing fellowship is not the same as losing relationship or position. We always remain in Christ. We don't always remain in fellowship.
I'm always curious...do you have to be born from above after each sin? How many times is a person saved? If a person dies without confessing a sin, do they go to hell? How many people have confessed every sin?
And lastly, on what basis is God faithful and JUST to forgive us of our sin?
Please answer my questions. You have yet to address them.
didn't i not begin with: OSAS is the PERFECT DOCTRINE, on it's own without interpretation?
we are ONLY SAVED ONCE.
and why do you keep asking these questions?
it's like you're trying get around the FACT, Jesus said, ASK for FORGIVENESS DAILY .
You sound like a Legalist, like Calvin.
if you never ask for forgiveness, and it's your daily sins that DAMAGE the Relationship with God.
but, if you don't ask for forgiveness on a daily basis, like Jesus commanded, and you GO YEARS like this.
just HOW FAR away, have YOU put yourself, in continual DAMAGE to the Relationship of God?
it is us who DECIDES to stay or go, by whether we sin and do or don't ask for forgiveness.
we are ONLY SAVED ONCE.
and why do you keep asking these questions?
it's like you're trying get around the FACT, Jesus said, ASK for FORGIVENESS DAILY .
You sound like a Legalist, like Calvin.
if you never ask for forgiveness, and it's your daily sins that DAMAGE the Relationship with God.
but, if you don't ask for forgiveness on a daily basis, like Jesus commanded, and you GO YEARS like this.
just HOW FAR away, have YOU put yourself, in continual DAMAGE to the Relationship of God?
it is us who DECIDES to stay or go, by whether we sin and do or don't ask for forgiveness.
If you are only saved once, then positionally, your sins are forgiven. Nothing will interfere with our eternal estate.
So the forgiveness Jesus is speaking concerns our relational state. It is incumbent on us to walk in humility before God. That's why I said we need to keep short accounts with God. In giving us this prayer, Jesus makes clear our need to do this.
Anyone who goes for long periods without doing so cannot possibly have the Holy Spirit indwelling them. One of the operations of the Spirit is to convict us of sin. Where people are not repenting, they are not under conviction. It is an ongoing grace and a testimony of the goodness of God to the believer that He grants us sorrow unto repentance.
So the forgiveness Jesus is speaking concerns our relational state. It is incumbent on us to walk in humility before God. That's why I said we need to keep short accounts with God. In giving us this prayer, Jesus makes clear our need to do this.
Anyone who goes for long periods without doing so cannot possibly have the Holy Spirit indwelling them. One of the operations of the Spirit is to convict us of sin. Where people are not repenting, they are not under conviction. It is an ongoing grace and a testimony of the goodness of God to the believer that He grants us sorrow unto repentance.
I explained it. Positionally, once we are placed into Christ, we remain forever there. Relationally, we can either be in fellowship with God or out of fellowship. Sin hinders this fellowship until confessed.
Sin for the believer only temporarily interrupts fellowship, which is restored upon confession. At no point in the interruption of fellowship is salvation lost.
Sin for the believer only temporarily interrupts fellowship, which is restored upon confession. At no point in the interruption of fellowship is salvation lost.
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if the ONLY WAY to REMAIN or ABIDE is by asking for Forgiveness, and this POSITIONALLY separates and Damages the Relationship to God when no Forgiveness is asked for, how do you think you're Saved?
you sin, you no longer Abide.
where in the Bible, does it say, when YOU DO NOT ABIDE, you are still Saved?
you sin, you no longer Abide.
where in the Bible, does it say, when YOU DO NOT ABIDE, you are still Saved?
I think I’m beginning to understand. True believers/the Elect have already been predestined and justified before the foundation of the world. Yes?
For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
- Romans 8:29-30
For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
- Romans 8:29-30
all i can find: is the WARNING if YOU DO NOT ABIDE you end up in FIRE
4 abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abide in the vine, so neither can you, unless you abide in me.
5 I am the vine, you the branches. He that abides in me and I in him, he bears much fruit; for without me you can do nothing.
6 If any one abide not in me, he is cast out as the branch and withers, and they gather it and throw it into the fire, and it is burned.
so, how do we ABIDE?
daily asking for FORGIVENESS, is how!
4 abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abide in the vine, so neither can you, unless you abide in me.
5 I am the vine, you the branches. He that abides in me and I in him, he bears much fruit; for without me you can do nothing.
6 If any one abide not in me, he is cast out as the branch and withers, and they gather it and throw it into the fire, and it is burned.
so, how do we ABIDE?
daily asking for FORGIVENESS, is how!