Of course. They are dead. Unless they are quickened, they will never respond. How was Lazarus raised from the dead. Jesus spoke and He was made alive. Then he came forth.
Is Baptism in water a work or a command? Is it necessary for salvation?
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We are judged by our works. Do a search for "works" in the NT and see what it says.
Wasn't my intention. So if you will redirect my attention and ask me the real question again I'd be most appreciative.
Jesus saved him directly... he was under no obligation to be baptized... he was not going to be added to the body of Christ, and he had no need of the indwelling Spirit.
I am not sure that is entirely true. When the Bible speaks about "the spirits of just men made perfect" I believe it is talking about the OT saints who were justified by grace through faith but their spirits were made perfect on the day of Pentecost, when they too received the gift of the Holy Ghost. While this is not specifically stated, it is a reasonable explanation for their spirits being made perfect. So that thief would have also been included.
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In John 3:5, Jesus said "born of water and the Spirit" and NOT born of baptism and the Spirit. In the very next chapter, Jesus mentions "living water" in John 4:10, 14 and and He connects living water with eternal life in John 4:14. Also, in John 7:38-39, we read - "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the source of living water and spiritual cleansing.
If "water" is arbitrarily defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38. If this sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or the means of becoming born again.
Also "water" is used in the Bible as an emblem of the word of God, and in such uses it is associated with cleansing or washing. (John 15:3; Ephesians 5:26) When we are born again, the Holy Spirit begets new life, so that we are said to become "partakers of the divine nature." (2 Peter 1:4) The new birth is brought to pass through "incorruptible seed, by the word of God, which lives and abides forever" (I Peter 1:23) and the Holy Spirit accomplishes the miracle of regeneration. (Titus 3:5)
So, to automatically read "baptism" into John 3:5 simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted.
Do you believe we are "saved" by works or by grace through faith, not works? (Ephesians 2:8,9)
Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned.
The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. *NOWHERE does the Bible say "baptized or condemned."
If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). Yet what is the 1 requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.
John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
I have often heard those who support salvation by water baptism (cleansing taking place in the water) use the healing of Naaman when he dipped in the Jordan river 7 times as an example of receiving cleansing of sins in water baptism. Yet in the first place, if being healed from leprosy is an illustration of salvation, we have another case that reveals one can be saved without any water. We can read about it in Luke 5:12-15. No water is found here.
Second, Naaman was not even a believer until after dipping in Jordan. He said "NOW" (after being healed) I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel," (2 Kings 5:15) and vowed to worship only Him. (vs. 17) If we follow this "example," we will have to baptize unbelievers! Naaman received cleansing from leprosy (not eternal life) after he dipped in the Jordan 7 times, but no sins were literally remitted for Naaman in Jordan. Likewise, water baptism does not literally remit sins.
The Bible uses the experience of Naaman as illustrative of the SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD, and not salvation by H20. Naaman was a heathen, not a believer, and did not know God until the miracle occurred. The purpose of the miracle had nothing to do with cleansing of sins in water/salvation by H2O but was to demonstrate "there is a prophet in Israel" (2 Kings 5:8) and that "there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel," as Naaman found out. (2 Kings 5:15)
So you basically define faith "as" faith and works? Do you believe that "justified by works" in James 2:24 means saved by works? It sure looks that way to me. This would also explain a lot about your biased interpretation of 1 Peter 3:21 which culminates in making salvation dependent on the work of water baptism.
Hebrews 11:1 - Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Faith is not works. The Greek words for "pistis" and "pisteuo" are two forms of the same word. "Pistis" is the noun form, "pisteuo" is the verb form. Nothing in the root meaning of either word carries any concept of works. If you believe in/have faith in Christ unto salvation, then you are trusting in Him alone to save you. This belief results in actions appropriate to the belief (to one degree or the other/all genuine believers are fruitful, yet not all are equally fruitful) - but the actions are NOT INHERENT in the belief.
In James 2:22, faith made perfect or complete by works means bring to maturity, to complete like love in 1 John 4:18. It doesn't mean that Abraham was finally saved based on merits of his works after he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22. When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6.
In James 2:23, the scripture was fulfilled in vindicating or demonstrating that Abraham believed God and was accounted as righteous. Abraham was accounted as righteous based on his faith (Genesis 15:6) not his works (Romans 4:2-3) long before he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22.
James is not using the word "justified" in verse 24 to mean "accounted as righteous" but is shown to be righteous. James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3) Works bear out the justification that already came by faith.
In the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, the Greek word for justified "dikaioo" #1344 is:
1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be
In Matthew 12:37, we read - "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned." This is because our words (and our works) reveal the condition of our hearts. Words/works are evidence for, or against a man being in a state of righteousness.
God is said to have been justified by those who were baptized by John the Baptist (Luke 7:29). This act pronounced or declared God to be righteous. It did not make him righteous. The basis or ground for the pronouncement was the fact that God IS righteous. Notice that the NIV reads, “acknowledged that God's way was right.." The ESV reads, “they declared God just.” This is the "sense" in which God was “justified.” He was shown to be righteous.
Matthew 11:19 "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax-gatherers and sinners!' Yet wisdom is justified/vindicated/shown to be right by her deeds."
So you admit that baptism is not a cleansing bath? No sins are remitted in the water? You are getting off track by making baptism (the removal of dirt from the flesh) the cause of a good conscience and salvation. Water baptism is a picture of becoming united with Christ in His death, burial and resurrection. Notice that Romans 6:5 says "likeness" of His death, "likeness" of His resurrection. Baptism is a picture of the reality which must not be confused with the reality. What is signified in baptism is not procured in baptism.
No. He was talking about any work under the law. Which is in opposition to fruit...against which there is no law...Galatians 5:22-23.
I appreciate all the effort you have put in your replies. First let me explain my current understanding, maybe that will help some. Our works cannot/do not save us but we are not saved without works. No amount of works can save us therefore we are only saved by the grace of God.
If baptism is not HOW we make an appeal/pledge to God for a good conscience, then how? Is there any other way to do it according to the bible?
The reason it is a likeness is because the reality would be death. How can we really die with Christ?
IF water baptism isn't how we are are united with Christ in His death, then HOW do we produce united with Him in death??
Please consider, if baptism is how:
We are added to Christ.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand
How our sins are washed away:
16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’
How we die with Christ:
3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
How we are circumcised:
11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism,
How we are saved:
The one who has believed and has been baptized will be saved;
21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you
How we call on His name:
16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’
Since that is what baptism does, don't you think Satan is going to attach baptism and confuse man convincing him baptism cannot save you. That is what he does.
God for on the day that you eat from it you will certainly die.”
Satan The serpent said to the woman, “You certainly will not die!
You are making it so baptism accomplishes nothing.
If baptism is not HOW we make an appeal/pledge to God for a good conscience, then how? Is there any other way to do it according to the bible?
The reason it is a likeness is because the reality would be death. How can we really die with Christ?
IF water baptism isn't how we are are united with Christ in His death, then HOW do we produce united with Him in death??
Please consider, if baptism is how:
We are added to Christ.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand
How our sins are washed away:
16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’
How we die with Christ:
3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
How we are circumcised:
11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism,
How we are saved:
The one who has believed and has been baptized will be saved;
21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you
How we call on His name:
16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’
Since that is what baptism does, don't you think Satan is going to attach baptism and confuse man convincing him baptism cannot save you. That is what he does.
God for on the day that you eat from it you will certainly die.”
Satan The serpent said to the woman, “You certainly will not die!
Yes, any work under the law of Moses. They were dealing with men trying to force circumcision. Paul in 4:21- he gives an analogy of those under law and those under grace.