Israel Declares War

[posthuman]

so let's cut foodstamps huh



your RNC will give that foreign spending as tax cuts to the rich instead.

they are the ones who paid for the ads, after all.

 

[Moses_Young]

yeah.

they'd prefer the murders their own people commit against Israeli citizens continue, without retribution.

this is called "untenable" - a word i scarcely believe a flatist comprehends.

((yup that's a barb. red x's without explanation are invitations to discord, and in my experience, that's your preference))

Just like the pathetic leftists (Communists) complained about Trump because of his "mean tweets" while they were doing immeasurably more evil, so too the evil Israeli government is complaining about a Palestinian having a book of Mein Kampf in his bedroom (whatever/wherever), after it (the Israeli government, not the book!) murdered so many thousands. It's effectively just another case of the bully crying victim, but this time, conservatives are falling for it because the bully is the Rothschild's state of Israel. Impressively, lots of Leftists are seeing the lies of Israel, although some are unfortunately polarising to support Hamas (also evil).

I never fell for this tactic with the Communists during the covid saga and before, and won't fall for it with the state claiming to be Israel. What can I say? I don't like Commies, and I don't like Nazis. Why do you think that makes me the baddie?

The trouble is, after all this mess has blown over and so many Christians have again picked the devil's choice, how to get our reputation back? The world will rightly ask "If you didn't understand the Earthly things that were right in front of your eyes and that were even condemned in your own Holy book, how do you expect us to believe you when you tell us about Heavenly things?"

 

[Moses_Young]

"grafted in" indicates exactly one root/trunk/vine.

not two.

shall the grafted in branch complain against the root? foolishness!

so the only explanation ((giving the benefit of doubt that you aren't an idiot)) is that if you have no. fear of cursing the rioty, you probably think you have replaced the root.

The logic is straightforward.

red X incoming, lol

Exactly. So me claiming we (Christians) are part of the Israel of God is not replacement theology. We are grafted into Christ the vine, and hence, the Israel of God.

 

[Moses_Young]

Mo have you ever heard of Dr.Warner. I had been thinking on him recently. I had added him to my FB page and somehow it got lost in the shuffle. I believe @ Magenta might know who I am speaking of. He is an expert on Islam and their beliefs.

Don't know about him, but most Christians realise that Islam is an evil religion. Sadly, they don't realise that Babylonian Talmudism (or Judaism as it is often mistaken for) is just as evil.

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Is this really ethnic cleansing, or religious cleansing? See, if it's religious, I agree with it. I don't think having false religions in our Christian nations, such as Islam or Judaism, has done any of them any good. Do you?

 

[cv5]

When Moses murders that man, was that an accident too
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If you did not know, when Jesus curses the fig tree, he is cursing works-based salvation.

Gen 3:7
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

 

[Moses_Young]

Yes, Jesus saves the nation Israel at His SC. Any other view wrong and biblically illiterate, if not willful rebellion and Satanic lies.

Be this as it may.

1) We don't know who the nation of Israel is (I'm not sure if the word "nation" is used in the context of salvation for all - more often "remnant"). However, claiming to be Israel doesn't make it so.
2) Jesus condemned those Israelites who were physical descendants of Abraham, but who weren't spiritual descendants of Abraham.
3) Jesus tells us in Revelation of a group "claiming to be Jews who are not, but who are a synagogue of Satan". I can think of no group that better fits this description than the Babylonian Talmudists from Europe who are settling in Palestine and murdering Palestinian civilians, whilst claiming to be God's Chosen People.
4) What God has promised does not detract us from our obligations to be good witnesses. Part of this is to call evil for what it is - evil. Whether He calls the remainder of this nation to Him in the end is His business. It is our job to warn them of what they are and where they are going - a synagogue of Satan headed for Hell.

I think any view that does not take the above facts into consideration is naive and foolish, and yes, playing into Satan's deceptions.

 

[cv5]

Be this as it may.

1) We don't know who the nation of Israel is (I'm not sure if the word "nation" is used in the context of salvation for all - more often "remnant"). However, claiming to be Israel doesn't make it so.
2) Jesus condemned those Israelites who were physical descendants of Abraham, but who weren't spiritual descendants of Abraham.

1) God does. Get your head around human limitations.
2) Future redemption and restoration to service is not a curse. It is an eternal blessing. The OT and NT types and explicit passages could not be more clear.

 

[Moses_Young]

1) God does. Get your head around human limitations.

Of course God does. The problem is that many people are claiming they do too. They don't.

2) Future redemption and restoration to service is not a curse. It is an eternal blessing. The OT and NT types and explicit passages could not be more clear.

If you are trying to say that Jesus did not condemn the doctrine of the unbelieving Pharisees, you are committing a heresy. If you are not saying this, you should be more clear.

 

[HeIsHere]

they are the chosen nation of God.

This is why your questions are wrong.

The NT states otherwise.

Wrong questions are loaded questions that have biased built into them so why would I engage them.

 

[notmyown]

Exactly. So me claiming we (Christians) are part of the Israel of God is not replacement theology. We are grafted into Christ the vine, and hence, the Israel of God.

yes. Jesus said He's the true Israel.

Christ and the Apostles will tell us what the types and shadows mean, if we will slow down our reading a little.

 

[HeIsHere]

IOW questions you don't want to answer.

here's another:


what happens if Israel's response isn't a strong deterrent to future aggression?

Israel's response is ensuring future aggression, Israel was born out of aggression towards the inhabitants of the land.

I wonder which prophet told them to go to the area and start a process of ethnic cleansing?

Was it Theodore Herzl, Moses Hess, Leo Pinsker, were they mentioned in the OT as the new leaders of new Israel?

 

[HeIsHere]

The Gazans CAN definitely do something.
Flee that worn torn region in order to save their lives.
Hanging around so they can be featured on CNN makes no sense whatsoever if you are sane.

If I had my own family and children there I would be gone gone gone long gone.

I am just wondering to where prisoners since 2007 are expected flee?

As well forcing people to leave is ethnic cleansing which is crime against humanity.

 

[Moses_Young]

I am just wondering to where prisoners since 2007 are expected flee?

As well forcing people to leave is ethnic cleansing which is crime against humanity.

It blows me away how people can be all against the Nazis (and justifiably so, for many reasons), but when their own team does the same crimes (e.g. Rothschild state of Israel), all of a sudden it's justified and somebody else's fault and "well, what would YOU suggest?" etc.. Hypocrisy. Pharisaical behaviour, in my view, defending a Pharisaical government.

 

[HeIsHere]

If you actually understood the intentional types of Joseph and his brothers and Joshua and the gibeonites you would know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the ethnic sons of Jacob will be redeemed yet future.

In both cases, (Joshua and Joseph being types of Christ) there is a salvation that only occurs at the SECOND interchange/interaction.

Replacement theology (however defined ) railed against by some members on here, the ultimate evil they say!

Denying the finished work of Christ Jesus for all people not a problem, which is in direct contradiction to the NT.

So really where does the evil lay?

Paul makes it clear......

“I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
Therefore go out from their midst,
and be separate from them, says the Lord,
and touch no unclean thing;
then I will welcome you,
and I will be a father to you,
and you shall be sons and daughters to me,
says the Lord Almighty.”​

Paul audaciously quotes and alludes to a host of Old Testament texts here -- Leviticus 26, Ezekiel 37, Isaiah 52, Ezekiel 20, and 2 Samuel 7, to name a few.

Paul includes the Corinthians in the lineage of Israel when he tells them the first generation of Israelites are "our ancestors" (1 Corinthians 10:1).

Though the Corinthians are not ethnically part of Israel, they enjoy complete identification with Israel through their position in Christ, the embodiment of true Israel. The Corinthians must embrace their identity as true Israel and the true temple of God by not morally compromising. Christian living flows naturally from our identification as Israel.

*cited from Reformation Theology

 

[HeIsHere]

It blows me away how people can be all against the Nazis (and justifiably so, for many reasons), but when their own team does the same crimes (e.g. Rothschild state of Israel), all of a sudden it's justified and somebody else's fault and "well, what would YOU suggest?" etc.. Hypocrisy. Pharisaical behaviour, in my view, defending a Pharisaical government.

Propaganda is very powerful tool, that is why governments use it.

The cognitive dissonance it baffling.

Even as we agree, that Hamas is a terrorist organization and they have taken innocent life, notice how some Israel supporters maintain unequivocal support for everything Israel does under the lie of the need for unrestrained self defence.

 

[notmyown]

Replacement theology (however defined ) railed against by some members on here, the ultimate evil they say!

Denying the finished work of Christ Jesus for all people not a problem, which is in direct contradiction to the NT.

So really where does the evil lay?

Paul makes it clear......

“I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them,​

and I will be their God,​

and they shall be my people.​

Therefore go out from their midst,​

and be separate from them, says the Lord,​

and touch no unclean thing;​

then I will welcome you,​

and I will be a father to you,​

and you shall be sons and daughters to me,​

says the Lord Almighty.”​

Paul audaciously quotes and alludes to a host of Old Testament texts here -- Leviticus 26, Ezekiel 37, Isaiah 52, Ezekiel 20, and 2 Samuel 7, to name a few.

Paul includes the Corinthians in the lineage of Israel when he tells them the first generation of Israelites are "our ancestors" (1 Corinthians 10:1).

Though the Corinthians are not ethnically part of Israel, they enjoy complete identification with Israel through their position in Christ, the embodiment of true Israel. The Corinthians must embrace their identity as true Israel and the true temple of God by not morally compromising. Christian living flows naturally from our identification as Israel.

*cited from Reformation Theology

lol i can't figure out if this is a political thread or a theological thread.

So also, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Understand, then, that those who have faith are sons of Abraham. The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and foretold the gospel to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. (Gal 3:6-9) or my preferred translation, Abraham the believer

and for good measure:

For no matter how many promises God has made, they are “Yes” in Christ. (2 Cor. 1:20)

 

[HeIsHere]

lol i can't figure out if this is a political thread or a theological thread.

Agree, very interconnected for some.

So also, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Understand, then, that those who have faith are sons of Abraham. The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and foretold the gospel to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. (Gal 3:6-9) or my preferred translation, Abraham the believer

and for good measure:

For no matter how many promises God has made, they are “Yes” in Christ. (2 Cor. 1:20)

AMEN!

 

[Magenta]

Even as we agree, that Hamas is a terrorist organization and they have taken innocent life, notice how some Israel supporters
maintain unequivocal support for everything Israel does under the lie of the need for unrestrained self defence.

You are dishonest in calling Israel's self defense "unrestrained."

You deliberately misrepresent facts to prop up your bias.

 

[Smoke]

so let's cut foodstamps huh



your RNC will give that foreign spending as tax cuts to the rich instead.

they are the ones who paid for the ads, after all.

Supporting food stamps for your own citizens is a bit different than supporting the world's wars, no? Either way, I don't believe in corporate welfare which is a big reason why I don't claim to be a part of the RNC.

I guess it's a matter of perspective really. The left says because I don't vote for their Democratic nominee that it's an automatic vote for the Republican's nominee. The right says because I don't vote for their Republican nominee that it's an automatic vote for the Democratic nominee.

 

[Smoke]

It blows me away how people can be all against the Nazis (and justifiably so, for many reasons), but when their own team does the same crimes (e.g. Rothschild state of Israel), all of a sudden it's justified and somebody else's fault and "well, what would YOU suggest?" etc.. Hypocrisy. Pharisaical behaviour, in my view, defending a Pharisaical government.

Some people can only empathize with other groups of people that they can relate to (physically, culturally, etc..). I am reminded of news reporters saying some wild things like, “It’s really emotional for me because I see European people with blue eyes and blond hair being killed" in regard to Ukrainian refugees. It's terrible regardless of their features...