Does God Know From All Eternity Who Will Die Having Rejected Sound Doctrine?

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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
Why would I declare plainly WHAT I consider "essential when it is plainly obvious that all Christian essentials are essential?
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It is not plain what you consider essential.

Pretending there are differing opinions on such matters does not help your case.
 
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If we ever play a CC game of dodgeball, I want graceofgod on my team :LOL:
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
I love ALL Christian essentials.
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Sure. Catholics consider themselves Christian, and that it is essential to believe that Mary was sinless
(immaculate conception ex cathedra dogma) and never died (the assumption of Mary ex cathedra dogma).
 
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Magenta said:
Sure. Catholics consider themselves Christian, and that it is essential to believe that Mary was sinless
(immaculate conception ex cathedra dogma) and never died (the assumption of Mary ex cathedra dogma).
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o_O
 
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I believe all Christian essentials from Jesus Christ are absolutely necessary. :D[/QUOTE]

Hmmmm, curious I have read that statement from you across a couple different post today. So my curiosity is to me it reads that you believe that we may be missing what a Christian essential is. So can you expound what that essential is? What may be necessitated that we have missed?
 
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stilllearning said:
I believe all Christian essentials from Jesus Christ are absolutely necessary. :D

Hmmmm, curious I have read that statement from you across a couple different post today. So my curiosity is to me it reads that you believe that we may be missing what a Christian essential is. So can you expound what that essential is? What may be necessitated that we have missed?
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That is why I asked this question so I can find out who does and who does not believe all Christian essentials from Jesus Christ are absolutely necessary. ;)
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
Hmmmm, curious I have read that statement from you across a couple different post today. So my curiosity is to me it reads that you believe that we may be missing what a Christian essential is. So can you expound what that essential is? What may be necessitated that we have missed?
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That is why I asked this question so I can find out who does and who does not believe all Christian essentials from Jesus Christ are absolutely necessary. ;)[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. So you are looking for someone else to start the convo. Then let me ask if doctrine alone is all we need? As the church at Ephesus had no problem when it came to doctrine, in fact Christ says he had no problem with it. Yet he said remember from whence thou art fallen because you have left your first love. Is it possible to love doctrine more than God?
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
Do you believe we have any Christian Essentials from Jesus Christ which are absolutely unnecessary and, if so, which ones?
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Your question is a paradox.

Something that is essential cannot be unnecessary.
 
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PaulThomson said:
The end and the beginning do not include the middle.

The Hebrew says "His understanding ( Li-TBUNaTU ) is without ( 'iYN ) number ( MiShPaR)
The series of odd umbers is infinite. The series of even numbers is infinite. One can know all the odd numbers, an uncountable number of numbers, without yet knowing all the even numbers. That God understands an uncountable number of things does not necessitate Him never adding to that uncountable knowledge with more knowledge as new presents arrive and become the past.

So, none of these texts prove your claim.
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Clearly you underestimate God. And that is your prerogative.
 
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stilllearning said:
That is why I asked this question so I can find out who does and who does not believe all Christian essentials from Jesus Christ are absolutely necessary. ;)
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Fair enough. So you are looking for someone else to start the convo. Then let me ask if doctrine alone is all we need? As the church at Ephesus had no problem when it came to doctrine, in fact Christ says he had no problem with it. Yet he said remember from whence thou art fallen because you have left your first love. Is it possible to love doctrine more than God?[/QUOTE]
Why would you think doctrine alone is all we need?
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
Why would you think doctrine alone is all we need?
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You asked.............
Does God Know From All Eternity Who Will Die Having Rejected Sound Doctrine?
So I am seeking to find what doctrine you speak of specifically.

Alas though this is more like an exercise with my ex wife.

Her: I am mad at you.
Me: What did I do?
Her: You know what you did.

So I was offering you a chance to speak your mind and give you the floor, but you are more than happy to just keep replying, you know what you did.............LOL
 
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stilllearning said:
You asked.............
Does God Know From All Eternity Who Will Die Having Rejected Sound Doctrine?
So I am seeking to find what doctrine you speak of specifically.

Alas though this more like an exercise with my ex wife.

Her: I am mad at you.
Me: What did I do?
Her: You know what you did.

So I was offering you a chance to speak your mind and give you the floor, but you are more than happy to just keep replying, you know what you did.............LOL
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You know exactly what doctrine I am referring to; I am referring to ALL DOCTRINE.
 
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OP did you read 1st Tim? Not talking to Christians. Jump back a few "We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers," This is just one but.. It can be hard when just here so many take one verse then some other and put them all together to say something that was not written that way. Its not called "rightly dividing the word" but it happens so many times.

I don't understand this "The words "Grace" and "Sound Doctrine" have different meanings; Those who confuse the meaning of those words will have a very terrible ending. " Please share what you mean by "terrible ending". ? You said it now back it up please :)
 
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