GOG MAGOG?????

SACREDWARRIOR · Oct 18, 2023

"TIME KEEPS ON SLIPPIN, SLIPPIN, SLIPPIN INTO THE FUTURE".....STEVE MILLER BAND
All eyes are on Israel at the moment, as rightfully should be, many due to the prophetic significance that is placed on that real estate and people in scripture....but others with contempt & hatred...
I've heard & read in recent days..from a Biblical perspective that this could be the GOG MAGOG " WAR" spoken of in EZEKIEL 38...I think we need to watch carefully but not be speculative as to the certainty of prophetic fulfillment....below are specific prophetic declarations that we need to see to be certain of the times!
PAY EXTRA CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE PARALLEL PASSAGES FROM
MATTHEW 24:14 (BELOW) & REVELATION 14:9
Many people equate the passage that speaks of the GOSPEL BEING PREACHED IN THE WHOLE WORLD... as a human accomplishment....but SCRIPTURE when compared to scripture speaks otherwise.....IT WILL BE AN ANGELIC ANNOUNCEMENT FOR ALL THE EARTH TO HEAR AND HEED OR NOT.....
THE BATTLE RAGES TILL THE LION ROARS!!!!!!
[Matthew 24:6-7 ]
7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes.
[Mat 24:6-7, 14 NASB95] 6 "You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for [those things] must take place, but [that] is NOT YET THE END...
14 "THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM SHALL BE PREACHED IN THE WHOLE WORLD as a testimony to all the nations, and THEN THE END SHALL COME.
[Rev 14:7-11 ] 7 and he said with a loud voice, "Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters."
8 And another angel, a second one, followed, saying, "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, she who has made all the nations drink of the wine of the passion of her immorality."
9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

selahsays · Oct 18, 2023

SACREDWARRIOR said:

. . . . .
(I like the song

)

The battle of Gog and Magog don’t happen until after the 1,000-year millennium.

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

- Revelation 20:1-3 (KJV)

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

- Revelation 20:7-9 (KJV)

tourist · Oct 18, 2023

selahsays said:

I like the song too and agree with your timing estimate regarding the battle.

tourist · Oct 18, 2023

SACREDWARRIOR said:

I agree. Let's leave it at that.

Aaron56 · Oct 18, 2023

selahsays said:

. . . . .
(I like the song

)

The battle of Gog and Magog don’t happen until after the 1,000-year millennium.

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

- Revelation 20:1-3 (KJV)

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

- Revelation 20:7-9 (KJV)

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Yep.

It seems that Magog is some kind of derivative of Gog. Perhaps Gog is the origin of Magog. These are just my thoughts.

oyster67 · Oct 19, 2023

SACREDWARRIOR said:

The time of the primary "Batlle of Gog and Magog" is no mystery. It is in the far distant future...

Revelation 20:
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

oyster67 · Oct 19, 2023

selahsays said:

. . . . .
(I like the song

)

The battle of Gog and Magog don’t happen until after the 1,000-year millennium.

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

- Revelation 20:1-3 (KJV)

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

- Revelation 20:7-9 (KJV)

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Looks like you got there before I did.

Yer jus' to quick on the draw fer ole' oyst.

Pilgrimshope · Oct 19, 2023

oyster67 said:

“But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:8-13‬ ‭

it has to happen before that though right ? Before the world ends ?

Pilgrimshope · Oct 19, 2023

selahsays said:

. . . . .
(I like the song

)

The battle of Gog and Magog don’t happen until after the 1,000-year millennium.

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

- Revelation 20:1-3 (KJV)

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

- Revelation 20:7-9 (KJV)

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So your looking at revelation like a literal timeline of events ?

Pilgrimshope · Oct 19, 2023

Aaron56 said:

read Ezekiel 36-38 for more information also consoder the “ great supper of God “ in prophecy and revelation and how it relates to that battle

“And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: and I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords: Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them. After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them. Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭38:1-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

look to Ezekiel , zechariah , Daniel , Isaiah to find revelations themes and more understanding of what John is seeing

hes seeing the Old Testament prophecy revealed in a narrative

The_Watchers_2017 · Oct 19, 2023

posted 1 hour ago
By Stefan J. Bos, Chief International Correspondent News
JERUSALEM – British Prime Minister Rushi Sunak said Thursday that Britain stands with Israel in its “darkest hour” and wants the Jewish nation to win its declared war against Hamas. “I am proud to stand here with you in Israel’s darkest hour as your friend,” he told his Israeli counterpart Benjamin Netanyahu in Jerusalem, the capital. “We will stand with you in solidarity, we will stand with your people, and we also want you to win,” Sunak stressed.

“In the last two weeks, this country has gone through what no country should go through,” he said, referring to the killing of 1,400 people in Israel by Hamas militants and the kidnapping of hundreds more, including Israeli-British nationals. “We fully support Israel’s right to defend itself; I know that you are taking extra care and trying to reduce harm to civilians.”
He spoke as the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) said they continued to strike the Gaza Strip. They claimed to have killed the head of the military branch of the ‘Popular Resistance Committees’ in Rafah, Rafat Harb Hussein Abu Hilal.
A Hamas-aligned news agency also said an Israeli strike killed the head of the Hamas-led national security forces, Jehad Mheisen, and his family at home.
Local media reported that Israel intensified bombing over different parts of Gaza overnight, killing “dozens” of Palestinians. The IDF claimed they massively targeted “Hamas infrastructure” over the past 24 hours.
Its air campaign reportedly struck anti-tank missile launch sites, tunnels, and militant headquarters. Israel blocked cross-border supplies of water, electricity, and fuel but said it would allow humanitarian support from Egypt for civilians but not for Hamas fighters.
HOSPITAL STRIKE
Britain’s Sunak was also in Israel following tensions over a rocket strike hitting a church-run Gaza hospital that local officials claim killed 471 people.
Israel says a rocket misfired by Islamic Jihad caused the tragedy, and video footage monitored by Worthy News seemed to back up those claims. Hamas blames Israel for the “horrific massacre.”
However, “I know that you are taking every precaution to avoid harming civilians in direct contrast to the terrorists of Hamas, which seeks to put civilians in harm’s way,” Sunak said, standing alongside Netanyahu in Jerusalem.
“Can I also say that we have seen the scenes over the past day that have shocked all of us, particularly at the hospital, and we mourn the loss of every innocent life – civilians of every faith, every nationality who have been killed,” Sunak stressed.
“And we also recognize that the Palestinian people are victims of Hamas too.”
He welcomed Israel’s decision to allow supplies of water, electricity, and fuel into Gaza from Egypt for civilians but not for Hamas fighters. “Palestinians are victims of what Hamas has done. It’s important that we continue to provide humanitarian access,” Sunak said in separate remarks when meeting Israel’s president.
DARKEST HOUR
Prime Minister Netanyahu told Sunak that “the Western world stood with you 80 years ago during your darkest hour; this is our darkest hour.” Netanyahu said that the shocking October 7 attack on Israel by Hamas gunmen aimed to prevent the expansion of its peaceful relations in the Middle East. He asked Britain to keep supporting the Gaza counter-offensive. “We were on the cusp of expanding that peace, and destroying that move was one of the reasons why this action was taken,” Netanyahu said.
Sunak met Netanyahu as confirmation came that British-Israeli man and father-of-two Yonatan Rapoport, was murdered by Hamas in the attack on Kibbutz Be’eri on October 7.
Also confirmed dead are an Israeli woman and her 12-year-old granddaughter. Carmela Dan, 80, and her 12-year-old granddaughter, Noya Dan, were taken prisoner in Kibbutz Nir Oz. Israel did not say where the bodies were found.
In a message on social platform X, Israel said: “We are devastated to announce that Noya and her grandmother Carmela’s bodies were discovered yesterday. Thank you to all of you who shared her story to help us bring her home. Our hearts are broken.”
Israel said at least more than 200 hostages are now known to have been taken by Hamas. Sunak praised Israel’s efforts to find the hostages, including British nationals. His visit came a day after U.S. President Joe Biden arrived in Israel as sirens wailed, warning of incoming rockets from Gaza and Lebanon.
Sunak’s next stop was Saudi Arabia, another Middle East nation concerned about rising tensions in Israel.

BRITAIN, has "OFFICIALLY," made this into a WAR between Hamas and Israel.

Israel has the backing of the USA and Britain

will Putin back Hamas, and complete this Ezekiel 38 connection?

Since it is [[[Officially WAR]]], guess Pre-Wrath was the Correct Choice, cause, we are getting to "Watch This."

The_Watchers_2017 · Oct 19, 2023

Aaron56 · Oct 19, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

I don't believe Revelation is a retelling of past events. I believe John is seeing the fullness of things whose ancillaries are found in history. In the future, these things will be complete, whether evil or good.

Pilgrimshope · Oct 19, 2023

Aaron56 said:

Yeah im not saying John is re telling anything is m sayong john is speaking from the ot prophets like this John is revealing what was a mystery on the ot prophets this is an example of what I’m saying please consider this brother.

John says this

“And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

john doesn’t see this but he makes a reference to these two witnesses being the two olive trees and two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth .

Why is John saying this is makes no sense right ? But what if you had read this before you read that

“and said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, ( Jesus ) and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof: and two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof. So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my Lord? Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my Lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭4:2-4, 11-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Would this help you understand what John is talking about when he says this ?

“These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.”

John doesn’t see that he’s speaking directly bout what Ezekiel saw making a reference directly to that other vision that gods spirit spoke prior to Christ being revelaed John is speaking after it

a here’s another example so you understand it’s not just a coincidence

John sees this description of his seven headed beast

“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

why does johns beset look this way ? What significance could it have ? He’s referencing daniels four beasts with seven heads that rose from the sea on his vision before Jesus was revealed

“And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. The first was like a lion, ….And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, … After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it. After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:3-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

John explains he is living in the time of the sixth head of this beast Daniel eas seeing it from the time of Babylon the first head of the beast John is on Romes time the sixth head

“And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

( then John speaks of the beast with ten horns that’s seperate but also is of the same seven he comes later after he is bound for a “thousand years “

And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.”( it was different and had ten horns Daniel saw )
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:7, 10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I hope this is taken into consideration brother I can offer you many more examples d even on these two winjects there is heaps of prophecy that explains better johns vision

aim bor sayong johns retelling anything I’m saying johns vision reveals and sets in order a narrative of all those mysterious prophecies in the ot the ot works with the new to reveal gods plan of salvation

a revelation is a heavenly narrative given to the church based upon all his has said. Regarding salvstion and his kingdom again brother if you’d like ten more examples I can offer them just to show you the use of what I’m saying then you add the things Jesus said d the story becomes really clear revelation really works with the rest of the Bible and is t meant to be taken as independent from the scripture it’s revealing the message of scripture in a visual story the ot prophets are what makes sense of all John saw pertaining to the future and end of t this world and regeneration of creation we see in revelation 21 he’s been saying it always brother is my point and various details exist throughout the written words of God

Pilgrimshope · Oct 19, 2023

First he spoke of it beforehand

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then he preached the gospel and promised this to believers of Jesus who told us the truth about what’s coming on the world until the end

“But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:8-10, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Then he showed a vision of this coming to pass to an apostle for the church to give hope in the tribulation of this world to believers

And in the conclusion of revelation what he began saying in the prophets there is fulfilled by n the vision we see

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away;( what he began saying in the prophets coming to pass on johns heavenly vision ) and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

airs a vision of the cosmic battle between good and evil in all creation we see in heaven and in earth back and forth this war we see it won in heaven and we see Satan and his angels come to earth and attack mankind this happens in chapter 12-14 but it’s repetitively seen on the vision also we see the heavenly source and the outcome we see the end of the world and the beginning of the new

It’s all the things gods always been saying set in a heavenly vision to give us faith and Hope knowing the final outcome and far away view of our promised land that new world without sin and death were promised in Christ

revelation is a vision based upon the prior words of God

selahsays · Oct 19, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

John says this

“And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

John isn’t saying it; God is.

selahsays · Oct 19, 2023

@Pilgrimshope, The book of Revelation is PROPHECY. John was taken spiritually into the future:

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

- Revelation 1:10 (KJV)

selahsays · Oct 19, 2023

Oh, and by the way, The Lord’s Day is not a Sunday or a Saturday. Paul speaks about this Day in 1 Thessalonians 5:2: For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Also, it is written about in 2 Thessalonians 2:2-3:
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (KJV)

selahsays · Oct 19, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

Regarding Gog and Magog, Yes.

Pilgrimshope · Oct 19, 2023

selahsays said:

swell technically Jesus sent one of his angels to tell John what to write …..read chapter one

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