Israel Declares War

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

NightTwister

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2023
2,120
805
113
65
Colorado, USA
I agree, but that is more an example rather than a definition. Can you try to define them? I'll give you my definition as well and tell me where you object.

Discriminate bombing - Using precision bombing in areas of high military infrastructure and/or militant targets. Consideration for civilian life is given but may still yield some unintended casualties.

Precision bombing - Using bombs which are tailored for isolated areas of destruction as to avoid and limit unintended targets.

Indiscriminate bombing - Using bombs, especially nuclear, which blankets more than the area required for the destruction of military infrastructure and/or militant targets. Civilian life is not a deciding factor and has a higher likelihood to yield civilian casualties than discriminate bombing.
I disagree with those definitions, especially the 3rd one.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
37,484
6,926
113
What Israel is About to Do Will Shock the World!


I have listened to this once and will go through it again slowly a second time. This may be the best reference I can find on what the Bible says about what we are seeing and what we are about to see.
However, I am not in agreement on his timeline.
 

Everlasting-Grace

Well-known member
Dec 18, 2021
6,066
1,948
113
I don't make that distinction unless they are held there against their will. We are seeing Palestinians protesting their government now, imagine what it will be like when they realize it was Hamas that hit the hospital. They are finally seeing that Hamas is using them as human shields and wants atrocities that they can use for propaganda.
You think it will change?

I don;t

They want to wipe israel off the map. Thats why Palestinians all over the country is praising Hamas.
 

Everlasting-Grace

Well-known member
Dec 18, 2021
6,066
1,948
113
We aren't talking about an indictment. We are talking about an act which has already been pre-established as murder. I'm trying to show that we do not need to have a trial by jury to know that Truman ordered the nuclear attack. We all know this, but you're objecting to saying he is guilty because he wasn't given a trial? That is insane. lol
Truman ended a war that would never have ended.

He is a hero. Not a criminal
 

07-07-07

Active member
Jun 13, 2023
240
48
28
Students at Harvard, videos my son is listening to, the millions who have besieged embassies thinking that Israel bombed the hospital when the evidence clearly contradicts that.
yet these same millions were silent when Hamas Islamic Terrorists viciously brutalized Israeli men, women, children and babies.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
37,484
6,926
113
We aren't talking about an indictment. We are talking about an act which has already been pre-established as murder. I'm trying to show that we do not need to have a trial by jury to know that Truman ordered the nuclear attack. We all know this, but you're objecting to saying he is guilty because he wasn't given a trial? That is insane. lol
I taught forensics, I have seen many cases where it seemed black and white, cut and dry that the person committed a crime only to find out that they didn't. I treat people the way I want to be treated and I have been falsely accused, I want a trial and I will give Truman a trial. Don't see how any American cannot understand that. It is a constitutional right. I have also pointed out that he gets to be judged by a jury of his peers which is neither of us, that would be people who went through WW2 and like I said they would not have convicted him and therefore I also would not call him a murderer. However, the final judgement is God's and things can change there.
 

Smoke

Senior Member
Oct 27, 2016
1,707
626
113
I am not sure how civilians who volunteer to live on a naval base, and civilians who volunteer to live in a building that houses Hamas military stuff is different. But if you say so
Yikes, have you not ever seen the homes in Hamas? Are you even aware that Palestinians can't just pick and choose where to live unless it has been approved by Israel?

I think even people who agree with your position know these things and wouldn't be making these kinds of statements.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
37,484
6,926
113
You think it will change?

I don;t

They want to wipe israel off the map. Thats why Palestinians all over the country is praising Hamas.
I posted a link to a man who has studied and published a book on the Psalm 83 war, I think he has given the clearest discussion concerning what the Bible says will happen. Post 1194
 

07-07-07

Active member
Jun 13, 2023
240
48
28
when He says "this generation" He is clearly referring to the generation that sees the fig tree put forth tender leaves.
At what age is a nation no longer considered to be tender? 20 years, 30 years, 50 years, 100 years, etc....?
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
37,484
6,926
113
At what age is a nation no longer considered to be tender? 20 years, 30 years, 50 years, 100 years, etc....?
In 1967 Israel's military shocked the world. I don't think they could be called "tender" at that point.
 

07-07-07

Active member
Jun 13, 2023
240
48
28
I am sorry man, I can not agree with you at all.. don;t compair what Isreal is doing wiht what Hamas did.. Israel is making sure this does not happen again. Civilians will die… Hams will not let them go. Put the blame on where it belongs. Hamas..
If Israel does as you claim, will this be the "hook in the jaw" to bring Russia and its allies into war with Israel?
 

Smoke

Senior Member
Oct 27, 2016
1,707
626
113
I taught forensics, I have seen many cases where it seemed black and white, cut and dry that the person committed a crime only to find out that they didn't. I treat people the way I want to be treated and I have been falsely accused, I want a trial and I will give Truman a trial. Don't see how any American cannot understand that. It is a constitutional right. I have also pointed out that he gets to be judged by a jury of his peers which is neither of us, that would be people who went through WW2 and like I said they would not have convicted him and therefore I also would not call him a murderer. However, the final judgement is God's and things can change there.
So we can't give Truman a trial as he's already dead. We can't know for sure or beyond a reasonable doubt that Truman ordered the nuclear attacks. Got it. We will agree to disagree on this, but I am curious... If someone watches who appears to be his brother murdering his wife, and the murderer runs away, kills himself, and his body is discovered a year later, and they never have a trial, would you object to the husband calling his dead brother a murderer?

The brother never had his day in court. Maybe he THOUGHT the guy was his brother but it was just someone that looked like him and coincidentally that same brother was missing and found dead. I'm assuming you would object?
 

07-07-07

Active member
Jun 13, 2023
240
48
28
In 1967 Israel's military shocked the world. I don't think they could be called "tender" at that point.
That's a subjective answer. And Israel almost went down in the 1973 Yom Kippur war.
 

Smoke

Senior Member
Oct 27, 2016
1,707
626
113
Truman ended a war that would never have ended.

He is a hero. Not a criminal
So Germany surrendering wasn't the beginning of the end of the war? The end of the war wasn't eminent? The civilians needed to be obliterated in order for the war to stop? Discriminately bombing the targets as to avoid unnecessary civilian deaths would not have been enough?
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
37,484
6,926
113
What Israel is About to Do Will Shock the World!


I have listened to this once and will go through it again slowly a second time. This may be the best reference I can find on what the Bible says about what we are seeing and what we are about to see.
He says Damascus is the oldest recorded city that has been continuously inhabited in human history.

I think we should look at Damascus and compare it with Methuselah. We were told that when Methuselah died the flood would be sent. I am wondering if when Damascus becomes a ruinous heap the rapture will take place.

Damascus = "silent is the sackcloth weaver"

I think this is an interesting word. Will the rapture silence all those who tried to pull the wool over your eyes?

He references Isaiah 17, Jeremiah 49, Psalm 83, Ezekiel 38 and Armageddon.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
37,484
6,926
113
That's a subjective answer. And Israel almost went down in the 1973 Yom Kippur war.
Not really, I googled it and they also agreed that the balance of power changed after that war. Also the US became much more invested in supporting Israel as an ally after that war.
 
L

Locoponydirtman

Guest
We aren't talking about an indictment. We are talking about an act which has already been pre-established as murder. I'm trying to show that we do not need to have a trial by jury to know that Truman ordered the nuclear attack. We all know this, but you're objecting to saying he is guilty because he wasn't given a trial? That is insane. lol
I call that walking the dog.
You use imposible logic, like say Abraham isnt real, because we dont have a birth certificate or and death certificate or any medical records.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
37,484
6,926
113
So we can't give Truman a trial as he's already dead. We can't know for sure or beyond a reasonable doubt that Truman ordered the nuclear attacks. Got it. We will agree to disagree on this, but I am curious... If someone watches who appears to be his brother murdering his wife, and the murderer runs away, kills himself, and his body is discovered a year later, and they never have a trial, would you object to the husband calling his dead brother a murderer?

The brother never had his day in court. Maybe he THOUGHT the guy was his brother but it was just someone that looked like him and coincidentally that same brother was missing and found dead. I'm assuming you would object?
Who cares if I object?

Once again I will warn everyone, the only thing you need to fear is the judgement when you are on trial before God. At that time every account will be settled. So if you judged others you will be judged with the same judgement with which you judged. People don't understand that verse, they think "I'm not a murderer so I don't care". That isn't the judgement. You decided you could judge him without hearing from him or giving him a chance to defend himself. So you too will be slandered with no chance to defend yourself. Perhaps the slander is true, perhaps it is twisted, perhaps it is just a lie, but it will be the same judgement with which you judged others.

The golden rule to do unto others means we are to treat others with mercy as we also would like mercy. Yes, people commit crimes, but in many cases there are extenuating circumstances which may not exonerate them but still mitigate the punishment. I would like an opportunity to share any mitigating circumstances to a sympathetic judge, therefore that is the way I treat others.
 

FRB72

Active member
Sep 27, 2023
122
59
28
England
I’m pondering on some verses from Jeremiah 16:

15 But, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

16 Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the Lord, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.

17 For mine eyes are upon all their ways: they are not hid from my face, neither is their iniquity hid from mine eyes.

This portion of scripture resonates with the Jews return (especially from Russia etc) then a period where Jews were drawn (the fishers) to make Aliya.

Might this next chapter (the hunters) feature global antisemitism, perhaps related to this present conflict, leading to Jews having to return to Israel for their own safety? Time will tell, I guess!
 
L

Locoponydirtman

Guest
It is a fact

the people WHO SEE (WINTESS) these things.. THAT GENERATION will not pass away

When you (this is the people he is talking to) see these things.. Know that this generation (your generation) who not pass away

No one has seen these things happen up until today..
Until they have seen this.