Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

[NTNT58]

Hook, line, and sinker! .

Hypocrite much? As you've said before yourself... "your assumptions are not facts". Especially in your case where you don't even read (or at this point understand) comments before replying.

 

[Magenta]

Hypocrite much? As you've said before yourself... "your assumptions are not facts". Especially in
your case where you don't even read (or at this point understand) comments before replying.

Deny, deny, deny it all you like. Your very words support the primacy of the RCC.

And you lie.

Roman papists sit in the seat of Peter, therefore they are the true church, just like Pharasees who
sat in the seat of Moses were the true synagogue (before Jesus gave Peter the keys to heaven).

I read it. More than once before replying. You are so busted.

 

[NTNT58]

i will research that. very interesting.


but all i am saying is look at the conversation with Jesus and the Disciples.
1. He asks them, who do they think Jesus is
2. Peter answers correctly by also revealing the True Identity of Jesus.
3. God is Building His Church upon the [[Truth]] that was revealed to Peter from the Father.
4. God is giving Them Power to Bind/Loose and what they choose will be also done in Heaven.
5. He instructs Them to keep the True Identity of Christ a secret.


i am Pentecostal.
independent actually, but my Beliefs follow closer to that along with much of my Baptist upbringing.
i've seen good and bad things.
but never have witnessed anyone truly being able to Bind or Loose.
even Michael, he did not try none of that, he just said, like I do [after understanding this Point]...Satan, the LORD Rebuke You!

so, since there's no hardcore Evidence in the past 1500 years, of People, being able to Loose and Bind, Matthew 16, has to be specific to the Disciples.

The original Aramaic that the disciples spoke only had one word for rock. Upon translation to Greek, the translators may have used the masculine form for Peter, but the original language doesn't differentiate. It's a good argument against the Papists to say that disciples did miracles and none of the Catholics today have any more claim to miracles than other denominations. All 12 disciples had the power to bind and loose, but only Peter had the keys. That has always been the main argument.

 

[NTNT58]

A study concluded that no part of the relic known as the chair of Saint Peter dated earlier than the
sixth century. It is doubtful anyone actually sits in it. The pope is said to sit in the seat of Peter to
declare an ex cathedra dogma, of which only two have been proclaimed, both having to do with Mary.
Rather odd. Christianity is about Jesus, not Mary. Any ways, both dogmas are believed to be infallible,
despite the fact that neither one can be backed in any way by Scripture, and actually go against what
factually transpired in Mary's lifetime, and what Jesus and Scripture had/have to say on the matter.

What study? Are you talking about some physical chair that Peter sat in?you're funny!

The seat of Moses in Mathew 23:2 refers to position of authority, not an actual chair

Pharasees also had dogmas and believed to be superior to everyone, but that doesn't change the fact Jesus himself told everyone to obey "everything they do" when it comes to religious authority.

 

[NTNT58]

It is a direct and focused heart on Jesus Christ himself that is it no if and or but.

Reigous you say you help religion is the tradition and core foundations of a god or idol to worship and serve. But it is a practical practice it is more about the serving the study the physical requirements.

But God is spirit and what you call religion and being religious is not what he is saying to us.
The true essence is Jesus Christ himself not us being religious or having a religion it is him and only him without him your service your prayers your understanding will fail when tested against him.

Religion is man the spirit of God does not live in the confines of religion no structure no design create by man with their understanding of his word can contain him or the true truth of what you call religion

Forget being religious throw away religion go to him directly in person and let him show you the way because religion has nothing to do with him your beliefs your understanding your doctrine your serving all of it is nothing because that is your perspective your understanding your serving but it is him not you

To truly experience and know him and be taught by him personally what HE says of all this go before his throne kneel and be absolute in your resolve for the truth the real truth surrender to him with every thing in you if in return he would show and teach you personally.

That's the difference between being a follower of Christ, and other religions. Other religions are all about what you have to do, ours is all about what God did for us. There is some confusion about faith vs works, but it's all resolved by understanding that works are merely a correlation of having faith, not causation for being saved.

 

[Magenta]

Are you talking about some physical chair that Peter sat in?you're funny!

Did you not read my post? It was right there... here, I will repeat it for you and
make it larger and therefore harder to miss since you seem to have overlooked it:

the relic known as the chair of Saint Peter

It may seem funny to you but with all the nonsense you spout it is always best to make sure...

 

[NTNT58]

Deny, deny, deny it all you like. Your very words support the primacy of the RCC.

And you lie.


I read it. More than once before replying. You are so busted.

Where did I lie?

You obviously don't understand what you're reading, or you don't have the concept of philosophical discussion. You are basically UNABLE to talk about something without taking sides. Your mind is so set in your ways, you can't even tolerate a civil discussion about different ideas.

 

[Mem]

There indeed is a distinction between Petros, a stone you can throw and petra, a mass of rock that is an immovable boulder which the gates of hell can't budge. That rock is the Christ, which Peter declared saying, "You are the Christ," and thus Jesus declared him "Christ-like,' a little stone (of many that make up) the body of Christ, but only a small part, nonetheless, of the immovable Rock.

 

[Magenta]

Where did I lie?

Right here:

you don't even read ... comments before replying.

That's probably not the only place. Take your lies elsewhere.

 

[NTNT58]

Did you not read my post? It was right there... here, I will repeat it for you and
make it larger and therefore harder to miss since you seem to have overlooked it:

the relic known as the chair of Saint Peter

It may seem funny to you but with all the nonsense you spout it is always best to make sure...

There you go again. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PHYSICAL CHAIRS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY. It's called a metaphor, it's not a literal chair.

 

[NTNT58]

There indeed is a distinction between Petros, a stone you can throw and petra, a mass of rock that is an immovable boulder which the gates of hell can't budge. That rock is the Christ, which Peter declared saying, "You are the Christ," and thus Jesus declared him "Christ-like,' a little stone (of many that make up) the body of Christ, but only a small part, nonetheless, of the immovable Rock.

Disciples most likely spoke either Aramaic or Hebrew. The word for big and small rock in Aramaic is the same. The translators may have changed it to masculine Petros, because the original Aramaic word is in feminine form.

But also, even if Peter is not the rock on which the church is built, it still doesn't prove he wasn't given the special keys that no other disciple was given.

 

[Magenta]

There you go again. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PHYSICAL CHAIRS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY. It's called a metaphor, it's not a literal chair.

Get it through your head I was not assuming you were talking about an actual chair but I was making
sure that an actual chair was not under discussion. And there is a literal chair, too! So get your facts straight.

You obviously don't understand what you're reading, or you don't have
the concept of philosophical discussion. You are basically UNABLE to
talk about something without taking sides. Your mind is so set in your
ways, you can't even tolerate a civil discussion about different ideas.

I notice too that you completely avoid addressing all the nonsense that came from the "seat of Peter."

 

[NTNT58]

Right here:

That's probably not the only place. Take your lies elsewhere.

My apologies, you may actually be able to read, but not understand. So let me clarify. You don't understand what we're talking about here. None of the points you made so far are relevant to the discussion. I don't disagree that RCC is corrupt and evil, but so were the Pharasees, and Jesus told everyone to obey their authority.

 

[Magenta]

My apologies, you may actually be able to read, but not understand.

Insincere apologies suit you.

 

[NTNT58]

I notice too that you completely avoid addressing all the nonsense that came from the "seat of Peter."

What nonsense? What did I avoid? You haven't proven anything I said as wrong, all you've done is say your opinions.

 

[Magenta]

What nonsense? What did I avoid? You haven't proven anything I said as wrong, all you've done is say your opinions.

More lies from you. It is a fact that
The pope is said to sit in the seat of Peter to declare an ex cathedra dogma

It is a fact that
only two have been proclaimed, both having to do with Mary

It is a fact that
Christianity is about Jesus, not Mary

It is a fact that
both dogmas are believed to be infallible

It is a fact that
neither one can be backed in any way by Scripture, and actually go against what factually
transpired in Mary's lifetime, and what Jesus and Scripture had/have to say on the matter.

 

[NTNT58]

More lies from you. It is a fact that
The pope is said to sit in the seat of Peter to declare an ex cathedra dogma

It is a fact that
only two have been proclaimed, both having to do with Mary.

It is a fact that
Christianity is about Jesus, not Mary.

It is a fact that
both dogmas are believed to be infallible

It is a fact that
neither one can be backed in any way by Scripture, and actually go against what factually
transpired in Mary's lifetime, and what Jesus and Scripture had/have to say on the matter.

AGAIN?! I told you I agree with those points, but they have NOTHING to do with this discussion. Pharasees were just as bad if not worse, but Jesus still told everyone to OBEY THEIR AUTHORITY!

 

[Magenta]

AGAIN?! I told you I agree with those points, but they have NOTHING to do with this discussion. Pharasees were just as bad if not worse, but Jesus still told everyone to OBEY THEIR AUTHORITY!

So why say I have only said my opinions when my post was full of facts? You lie is why.

 

[NTNT58]

So why say I have only said my opinions when my post was full of facts? You lie is why.

Because you keep presenting irrelevant facts that I'VE ALREADY agreed on and pretending like you're making an argument.

You obviously don't understand what you're reading, or you don't have
the concept of philosophical discussion. You are basically UNABLE to
talk about something without taking sides. Your mind is so set in your
ways, you can't even tolerate a civil discussion about different ideas.

Are you going to keep copying and parroting what I've said? Can you not come up with anything original? That doesn't even apply to me, I did not take any side between Catholics and Protestants, and this whole discussion I've challenged others to prove me wrong and provided proof, while all you did is display intolerance to any worldview that is contrary to yours. And you were too lazy to even copy the link to whatever "study" you were talking about.

 

[Mem]

Disciples most likely spoke either Aramaic or Hebrew. The word for big and small rock in Aramaic is the same. The translators may have changed it to masculine Petros, because the original Aramaic word is in feminine form.

But also, even if Peter is not the rock on which the church is built, it still doesn't prove he wasn't given the special keys that no other disciple was given.

cephas is aramic for rock, and the strong's greek indicate is as masculine.

Jesus asked them all, "But what about you (plural)? Who do you (plural) say that I am?" Although it is Simon that answers, it is not that the others did not know that He is "the Christ, the Son of the living God," since in v. 20 He admonishes (them) not to tell anyone that He was the Christ. If anyone believes that He is the Christ, the Son of the living God, it has been revealed to him by His Father in heaven (v.17) and not by flesh and blood. Jesus has the keys to death and hades so access to any keys at all is through Him, not Peter.