Do our words carry the same power as God?

[Pilgrimshope]

Our words do have effectual consequences such as a rudder on a ship which steers the direction of the whole shop though it’s only a single small
Part it’s role is setting the course and steering along

“Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth. Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: but the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.”
‭‭James‬ ‭3:4-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬


It’s very easy for us to say the wrong things to people we can insult or curse or hurt verbally can actually damage people with just words

i think of chi listen who grow up with parents who constantly put them down or those who’s Parents are constantly lifting them up with words

words are extremely important to mankind among all of Gods creatures on earth mankind is the only who fully understands and communicates in kind with words

God also hears and speaks and communicates with words it is a fellowship that only man shares with god the way that words and language came from God it also is meant for Gods ways

words definetely are important and do have power in life , but everything begins and ends with what God has already said to us he created us to operate and communicate ideas and thoughts by words and have fellowship with him and blessed us in the beginning he spoke forth man’s blessing and fellowship

When what our God has said defines our beliefs when his word becomes the truth and source of our faith is when we begin to grasp our role and place in him

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

…And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

….Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

….Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:12, 23-24, 31-32, 51‬ ‭

“For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:49-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Cameron143]

No! Our words do not have the same power.
I said let there be light on time and then stepped on a leggo because it was still dark. The light switch was on the other side on the room.

Your problem was you relied on the lightswitch.

 

[Cameron143]

There is a tendency for Christians to be overly affected by their experience. When something false has been presented as true and the Christian is harmed, it leaves a deep scar. Not wanting to be harmed again, the individual will want nothing to do with the thing that harmed them and will speak against it unequivocally. But the truth is, though someone taught them falsely, some of what was taught was true. It's just that the experience was so devastating that the individual cannot deal with the subject until healing takes place. So rather than find the point of truth, the opposite extreme becomes their point of view.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

The number one lie starts here.

Have it your own way, and I'll stick with mine.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

There is a tendency for Christians to be overly affected by their experience. When something false has been presented as true and the Christian is harmed, it leaves a deep scar. Not wanting to be harmed again, the individual will want nothing to do with the thing that harmed them and will speak against it unequivocally. But the truth is, though someone taught them falsely, some of what was taught was true. It's just that the experience was so devastating that the individual cannot deal with the subject until healing takes place. So rather than find the point of truth, the opposite extreme becomes their point of view.

What if the point of truth is the extreme opposite of the OP's definitions?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Have it your own way, and I'll stick with mine.

Well if you are ever interested in a more in-depth study on the topic of the word for demon possessed or the subject itself I wrote a counter critique to Jake Kale's book “Can A Christian Have A Demon”. He is a modern deliverance minister who came to our church.

 

[Cameron143]

What if the point of truth is the extreme opposite of the OP's definitions?

Then the individual is correct. But that's rarely the case. People rarely understand the hidden motives that work within them. While we have become very good at judging others, we can easily overlook our own faults. And our propensity to protect ourselves from future harm is a very deep-rooted response.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Then the individual is correct. But that's rarely the case. People rarely understand the hidden motives that work within them. While we have become very good at judging others, we can easily overlook our own faults. And our propensity to protect ourselves from future harm is a very deep-rooted response.

Is it rare that Biblical accuracy is taught?

Sure feelings are tricky little things but facts are more of a comfort zone.

 

[Cameron143]

Is it rare that Biblical accuracy is taught?

Sure feelings are tricky little things but facts are more of a comfort zone.

There is as much right teaching as wrong. The problem is discernment. Facts can be interpreted any number of ways. Truth is singular. But it isn't always evident. We need God far more than we know.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I spent a year and a half at a church who did claim this stuff. I went to honestly try to see was what they taught legitimate. I sat in events with a so called prophet and deliverance minister. I still keep an eye on what they promote including bringing in an apostle and someone to teach how to speak the prophetic.

I had enough first hand experience to make my stomach sick. Even fell prey just for a short few weeks thinking my chronic pain may just be a step in faith away from being healed. So I prayed, had some one lay hands, and got the pastor to pray over me. After his prayer he said move around do something that normally causes pain. I said, “It didn't work”. He said lets pray harder. Again nothing.

It is legalism at best and teaches bondage for those they prey on. You have to do this and this to maybe be healed. If your not healed then you did something wrong or someone didn't have enough faith.

No, I'm talking about leaving God room to do miracles in your OWN life. I don't know why you're stilling sitting under other people's experiences that aren't your own. Let it be just between you and God. Because if you want to experience God's miracles, the belief has to come from you and no one else. And because of this, you have to have a pretty close walk with the Lord, enough to be able to discern if something is coming from Him.

If you need to study about miracles, study the prophets and servants of God like Elijah and Moses (these two are my favorite for learning to give God room for His miracles) and the rest who had a close walk with God. They all knew Him well enough to hear His voice and thus be able to hear His clear instructions.

In terms of physical healing, God won't choose to do that every time in some miraculous way. Sometimes He'll choose to do it by normal everyday means. And sometimes He wants you to lean on Him instead. To know the difference requires a close walk with God because He'll tell you what He's going to do about your illness. Paul is a good example of this - God had informed him somehow that He was making His power in Paul perfect in weakness and Paul actually grew spiritually stronger through this.

Another thing about miracles is that God won't do miracles just to show off. He only does them if it really benefits someone. whether it's you, another person or for His glory so that someone believes Him. He also won't do them if He knows you can do something in the ordinary way and your reason for seeking a miracle from Him is lazy and/or stupid.

Anyway, just increase your trust and fellowship in the Lord. That's really important. That way you'll know if something comes from Him or is false. You'll need that discernment because the last days are practically upon us and we all need to be able to discern what is true or false all the more.


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[Roughsoul1991]

There is as much right teaching as wrong. The problem is discernment. Facts can be interpreted any number of ways. Truth is singular. But it isn't always evident. We need God far more than we know.

Idk the Bible if studied properly only leaves one truth. Facts are facts. Something is or it isn't. Sure God is directly involved which people choose to follow or rebel against the truth.

If truth isn't evident then that means it is hidden or revealed.

Luke 8:17
English Standard Version

17 For nothing is hidden that will not be made manifest, nor is anything secret that will not be known and come to light.

Thankfully for Christian nothing is hidden or secret.

 

[Cameron143]

Idk the Bible if studied properly only leaves one truth. Facts are facts. Something is or it isn't. Sure God is directly involved which people choose to follow or rebel against the truth.

If truth isn't evident then that means it is hidden or revealed.

Luke 8:17
English Standard Version

17 For nothing is hidden that will not be made manifest, nor is anything secret that will not be known and come to light.

Thankfully for Christian nothing is hidden or secret.

We all hold truth in error. No one correctly understands all truth. Over time we garner truth through learning, experience, and revelation. Learning to hear God's voice as distinct from our own voice and the voice of the evil one helps with discernment.

 

[Niki7]

Daimonizomai, and the only translation I find for the Greek interlinear is still best translated as demonic possession. Possession best fits the context of verses containing the word daimonizamai because the individual being demonized is not operating in free will.

To combat the idea that Christians can have a demon or share space with the Holy Spirit y'all have to start by changing the word.

Well that is your opinion.

Christians are not possessed by demons but they certainly can be demonized. You had started a thread about that once, and different people, myself included, went to some length to explain what is actually presented in scripture and you just poo pooed it and no surprise to find you carrying on with your 'opinions'

 

[Niki7]

Do you have examples of what to speak in faith?

Do you have examples of what a Christian should speak that is not of faith?

Your question is just plain silly

 

[Niki7]

I don't know why you're still sitting under other people's experiences that aren't your own. Let it be just between you and God. Because if you want to experience God's miracles, the belief has to come from you and no one else. And because of this, you have to have a pretty close walk with the Lord, enough to be able to discern if something is coming from Him.

It can be a scary thing when your worldview is all messed up by God interrupting your little fiefdom.

 

[Fillan]

I'm judging the doctrines. If whomever falls under false teaching then we are to Biblically address that. Many of the NT letters address false teachers.
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That's true! Many of the NT Letters address false teachers and the Lord Jesus too commanded us to watch Matthew 7:15- Watch out for false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are voracious wolves.

One question I have often asked, many (I didn't say all) WOF/Pentecostal/ Charismatic 'teachers, prophets, apostles, healing ministries and deliverance ministries', even given that they often struggle to document one actual healing or true prophecy through their ministry, their teaching is often at loggerheads with the clear teaching of scripture and their gospel content is often lacking. It's often mainly all their own claimed revelations and unverified experiences in their talks. Eventually if you hear enough of these revelations and experiences they begin to contradict each other, even themselves.

Mark 16: 20 Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.

The Lord confirmed his word given by his apostles by signs that accompanied the preaching. Why would the Lord confirm questionable teaching with signs?

God Bless You

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Well that is your opinion.

Christians are not possessed by demons but they certainly can be demonized. You had started a thread about that once, and different people, myself included, went to some length to explain what is actually presented in scripture and you just poo pooed it and no surprise to find you carrying on with your 'opinions'

Not my opinion. I couldn't find any Greek scholar to translate it any different.

 

[Niki7]

Not my opinion. I couldn't find any Greek scholar to translate it any different.

You are not a Greek scholar or expert of some kind. People really need to do their own research because you are wrong in what you state. Further, this is a very important subject and you just blow it off. Really. No help at all.

You personally could not find does not mean very much to people who have actually discovered that the Bible indicates the person has the demon rather than the demon has the person.

There is no verse in scripture that indicates the Holy Spirit and and evil spirit cannot be found in the same place at the same time.

 

[Niki7]

So where does this lead us? Perhaps more accurate than “demon possession” in terms of communicating the overall portrayal of this phenomenon in the Synoptic Gospels is something like “subject to demonic influence” or “subject to demonic oppression.” Another approach would be to use a literal translation of the other terms that are associated with and roughly synonymous with daimonizomai in the Synoptic Gospels, namely “with an unclean spirit” or “having a demon.” This approach would seem to be an improvement over the continued use of “demon possession” and the alternative approach of using the term “demonized,” which could be quite confusing to readers.

The above is the conclusion of a bit of a long teaching on the use of the word 'possession.' I did not have to look very long or hard to find it. You can read the entire article, if you care to educate yourself and not just jump on a 'safe' bandwagon because you are comfortable with it and it keeps your world all neat and tidy by saying demons do not afflict Christians.
source

Frankly demons prefer to stay hidden, yet a very large part of Jesus ministry was dealing with the demonic. Christians need to understand nothing has changed...shall we just throw Ephesians out the window? Or are we so wonderful today and so closely
associated with Christ now, that demons flee at the very sight of us?

The state of the church (body of Christ) would suggest otherwise.

Further, there is no mention of a ministry of deliverance or so called deliverance minister anywhere in scripture. It is not listed as one of the spiritual gifts. EVERY Christian should know how to deal with the demonic. If you are not engaging at all with the kingdom of darkness, if you are not ever bothered by the other side, then I would conclude you are not being effective in your walk as a Christian.

I would throw out all the so called books that tell you how to do it and just confirm what Jesus Himself experienced. Every attack He was subjected to in the wilderness, He countered with the truth of scripture. Every Christian should know how to help those who are under demonic attack. You should know how to rebuke these things in Jesus name. It is not a power struggle...it is a matter of truth vs the lies of the devil. Jesus has already won.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

You are not a Greek scholar or expert of some kind. same place at the same time.

You are not a Greek scholar or expert of some kind. People really need to do their own research because you are wrong in what you state. Further, this is a very important subject and you just blow it off. Really. No help at all.

I never said I was translating it. I took my conclusion from the majority of translations that scholars have translated as demon-possessed. Sure you will have a minority of opinion to lessen the impact of the word but hermeneutically a word is translated based on context.

You personally could not find does not mean very much to people who have actually discovered that the Bible indicates the person has the demon rather than the demon has the person.

In every account in scripture, a demonic event gives off the implication of the loss of control.

There is no verse in scripture that indicates the Holy Spirit and and evil spirit cannot be found in the same place at the same time.

Yes, there is. Your body is the temple. Correct? Could evil be in the presence of God within the Holy of Holies? Have you been atoned for or not? Have you been set free or not?

Deliverance ministries only lead people to bondage.

Frankly demons prefer to stay hidden,

Where is this found in scripture?

Or are we so wonderful today and so closely
associated with Christ now, that demons flee at the very sight of us?

Yes in fact they do. If you walk in the Spirit and are sealed by the Spirit then they can only attack outwardly.

James 4:7 ESV
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

I do agree every Christian needs to know spiritual warfare and how to rage it. I agree, that these books on deliverance ministries should be thrown out. We should be only using what is provided in the Words of God.

All in all, that is what matters. Context suggests these people give too much power to Satan.

Acts going forward you have 0 instances of a declared Christian being demonically possessed and needing an exorcism.

Scripture also suggests if the individual hasn't accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior then delivering them of demons is pointless as they will return with friends and find the vessel cleaned up. His condition will be worse.

The only deliverance answer is in Christ. Then, of course, we have spiritual warfare guidance in places like the Armor of God which also speaks nothing of demonic deliverance.