Israel Declares War

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Lanolin

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Im not surprised that americans feel that way and I am not american.

Japanese military ruthlessly invaded China and raped Nanking but the Chinese did not drop a bomb on Japan or invade it either.
 

Lanolin

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we had dawn raids in nz. That was something else. Racially motivated.
And CYFS do uplift babies and take them hostage to foster homes which to some families they just see as stealing their child.

so you cant say one side is completely right and one is completely wrong or that one side NEVER does anything wrong. Zionist govt isnt squeaky clean.
 

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the concept of biying or selling land is not always understood by people, and many people do believe if you are born somewhere, you belong to the land not the land belongs to you.
 

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Yes, I do. And I'm not American, my homeland is Canada. I don't know if anyone here is military. It is quite astonishing to me that Americans believe that Hiroshima was a war crime and was unnecessary. It is not my home country. So I will have to let Americans speak for themselves.
Most Americans don't believe that.
 

ZNP

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Most Americans don't believe that.
Actually it is a fierce debate in schools today. There is no doubt that it saved American lives by ending the war sooner. However on the other side it opened a door to the nuclear age that threatens everyone. Now they refer to them as "tactical" nukes and have learned how to drop them to minimize fallout so that the cities could be inhabited by the victors.

That said I never called it a "war crime". Such a term is foolish as though some law will protect you from being murdered or tortured during war. What I said is "as you have done it will be done to you". If you don't think it was a war crime then you certainly have no ground to say that if it is done to you it is a war crime.
 

Smoke

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building fires are around 500-600 degrees F. Steel melts at 2,000 degrees F.

This is why before 9/11 we never had a steel framed skyscraper collapse from fire despite some very horrific fires. Also, after 9/11 we have not had any steel framed buildings collapse from fire.
I am reading these posts in the order they were delivered. I will be surprised if he responds to this post substantively.
 

ZNP

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I am reading these posts in the order they were delivered. I will be surprised if he responds to this post substantively.
The reason the perpetrators of this crime were so brazen and assumed they could get away with it is because the vast majority of Americans don't know engineering.
 

Smoke

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Yes, I do. And I'm not American, my homeland is Canada. I don't know if anyone here is military. It is quite astonishing to me that Americans believe that Hiroshima was a war crime and was unnecessary. It is not my home country. So I will have to let Americans speak for themselves.
But why is it astonishing that Americans rebuke murdering hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians?

Do you find it astonishing that many Germans born post WWII rebuke what their parents/grandparents generations did? Is it astonishing that Americans rebuke putting Japanese Americans in camps? Is it astonishing that Americans rebuke slavery? Why can't Americans rebuke evil in all it's forms? Because being American means never having to say sorry???
 

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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Dropping the bombs saved lives. It's not a matter of ends justifying the means. It's a matter of saving lives and property.

Also if God thought it was such a terrible thing, He would have gone after the US, but He didn't. Because Japan got nuked in 2 of its cities, the war stopped in the Pacific and Japan quit occupying Korea and parts of China and wasn't able to take the Philippines. All very great blessings!

So it doesn't really matter much what the nay-sayers say and no amount of shaming will change it. God had the final decision and it was in favor of what the US did.

Shaming is a tactic the left (leaning) often uses to try to shame the right to manipulate them. The way to battle that is to look to God and stand on what He thinks about any matter that is being debated.


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Smoke

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Was that really called for?
I mean, yeah? It's absolutely a similar belief system wouldn't you say? Killing civilians is apparently kosher if you're in a state of war with that type of logic.
 

Smoke

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Im not surprised that americans feel that way and I am not american.

Japanese military ruthlessly invaded China and raped Nanking but the Chinese did not drop a bomb on Japan or invade it either.
Sadly, from K-12, they don't really dive deep into the Japan/China conflict. I would venture to say many Americans don't understand how instrumental China was in WWI and WWII. If I'm not mistaken, they lost more people than any other country as well?
 

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You're right for now according to this study.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...-opinions-have-shifted-on-use-of-atomic-bomb/

I'm sure if we researched American thoughts on racial slavery in 1860 and compared them to Americans in 2023, we would see a much lower percentage thinking it's kosher too. Different mindsets for different times.
False comparison. Slaves didn't attack the U.S. Also, 1945 to 2023 is a long time. I guess we can check again in a hundred years. Or someone can, I won't be here.
 

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Also if God thought it was such a terrible thing, He would have gone after the US, but He didn't. Because Japan got nuked in 2 of its cities, the war stopped in the Pacific and Japan quit occupying Korea and parts of China and wasn't able to take the Philippines. All very great blessings!

So it doesn't really matter much what the nay-sayers say and no amount of shaming will change it. God had the final decision and it was in favor of what the US did.

Shaming is a tactic the left (leaning) often uses to try to shame the right to manipulate them. The way to battle that is to look to God and stand on what He thinks about any matter that is being debated.


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I actually appreciate the other aspects of the argument. There are always pros and cons to every outcome. I'm just more heavily influenced by the saving of lives.
 

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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You realize we murdered ~120,00-230,000 innocent Japanese civilians? Sure, we didn't behead babies, but we absolutely obliterated them... To many of the survivors of the initial blasts, they later died from radiation poisoning. So yes, I believe unnecessarily dropping two nuclear bombs and murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians was the wrong response.
This isn't just about a riff between Japan and the US.

If Japan hadn't invaded and occupied Korea, parts of China and the Philippines, then none of the Japanese civilians would have died. The Japanese were absolutely cruel to the native people of those lands. Moreover, Korea (back then and now South Korea) and the Philippines had and still does have many Christian believers. Do you think God would let the Japanese get away with their cruelty towards His children?


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Smoke

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False comparison. Slaves didn't attack the U.S. Also, 1945 to 2023 is a long time. I guess we can check again in a hundred years. Or someone can, I won't be here.
I'm not comparing atrocities. Clearly it went over your head that I was comparing sentiments across generations. :rolleyes:
 

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I actually appreciate the other aspects of the argument. There are always pros and cons to every outcome. I'm just more heavily influenced by the saving of lives.
That's fine, but a BIG aspect of WWII on the Pacific side is about Japan invading Korea, China and the Philippines. And since this is a western forum, it completely forgets about the those countries when talking about the Pacific theatre of WWII.


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NightTwister

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I'm not comparing atrocities. Clearly it went over your head that I was comparing sentiments across generations. :rolleyes:
Clearly it went over your head that you compared years distance with two examples that are not comparable. Also, there's an 80-year difference.