Israel Declares War

[Cameron143]

That's fine, but a BIG aspect of WWII on the Pacific side is about Japan invading Korea, China and the Philippines. And since this is a western forum, it completely forgets about the those countries when talking about the Pacific theatre of WWII.

I agree. And if we thought getting the Japanese off all the islands was difficult and costly, fighting a conventional war on their island would have been exponentially more difficult and costly.

 

[Smoke]

This isn't just about a riff between Japan and the US.

If Japan hadn't invaded and occupied Korea, parts of China and the Philippines, then none of the Japanese civilians would have died. The Japanese were absolutely cruel to the native people of those lands. Moreover, Korea (back then and now South Korea) and the Philippines had and still does have many Christian believers. Do you think God would let the Japanese get away with their cruelty towards His children?

Got it. So, your stance is because the Japanese military invaded foreign countries and committed atrocities, God used the US to obliterate hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians which had nothing to do with it?

It makes me think of another extremist group of people who murder innocent men, women, and children who have nothing to do with their struggle... One obvious difference is that this other extremist group chants "Allahu Akbar" when they do their murdering.

 

[Smoke]

Clearly it went over your head that you compared years distance with two examples that are not comparable. Also, there's an 80-year difference.

We aren't comparing atrocities... We are comparing different sentiments of Americans across a period of time. Did you even read the poll? lol

My point is that as time goes on, the trend will likely continue that more Americans will find the use of nukes against Japan as unfavorable.

 

[NightTwister]

We aren't comparing atrocities... We are comparing different sentiments of Americans across a period of time. Did you even read the poll? lol

I get that you don't get it. Have a great day.

 

[Smoke]

I get that you don't get it. Have a great day.

I get that racial slavery is not equivalent to using nukes on Japan. That is moot. My point is that as time has gone on, American sentiments have changed and will likely continue to trend. I get that you don't get this.

 

[NightTwister]

I get that racial slavery is not equivalent to using nukes on Japan. That is moot. My point is that as time has gone on, American sentiments have changed and will likely continue to trend. I get that you don't get this.

Time passed isn't the only thing being considered. I get that you don't get this.

 

[Smoke]

Time passed isn't the only thing being considered. I get that you don't get this.

Of course it's not the only thing to consider, but it doesn't disprove the correlation between time passing and American sentiments shifting. I get that you don't get this by trying to debunk the correlation by trying to compare the atrocities.

 

[NightTwister]

Of course it's not the only thing to consider, but it doesn't disprove the correlation between time passing and American sentiments shifting. I get that you don't get this.

Yes, it does disprove the correlation, because the nature of the event is part of what is being considered, not just the time passing. I get that you don't get this.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Got it. So, your stance is because the Japanese military invaded foreign countries and committed atrocities, God used the US to obliterate hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians which had nothing to do with it?

It makes me think of another extremist group of people who murder innocent men, women, and children who have nothing to do with their struggle... One obvious difference is that this other extremist group chants "Allahu Akbar" when they do their murdering.

Oh just STOP.

You can't shame me and manipulate me to go along with anything you have to say. I don't care what you think that I have to bend to you.

I'm just going to put you in God's hands. And if you're so concerned too as a Christian, wouldn't you have put me in God's hands as well? Because there is no one more powerful to change a Christian's mind, right?

 

[Smoke]

Yes, it does disprove the correlation, because the nature of the event is part of what is being considered, not just the time passing. I get that you don't get this.

Of course the nature of the event is being considered, be it murdering innocent civilians or enslaving them. I never said differently. This STILL doesn't debunk the correlation no matter how badly you want it to. I get that you don't get this.

 

[Smoke]

Oh just STOP.

You can't shame me and manipulate me to go along with anything you have to say. I don't care what you think that I have to bend to you.

I'm just going to put you in God's hands. And if you're so concerned too as a Christian, wouldn't you have put me in God's hands as well? Because there is no one more powerful to change a Christian's mind, right?

I wasn't aware I was shaming you. I sincerely just asked if I understood your stance. Looks like I hit a nerve? If so, it wasn't my intentions.

As for changing your mind, it's not something I think I can do. I'd rather the Holy Spirit convict you of truth. I'm fallible.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

ANYWAY, this goes to anybody and everybody: Who do you think will win this current war between Israel and Hamas?

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Zechariah 12:3 On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves. 4 On that day I will strike every horse with panic and its rider with madness,” declares the Lord. “I will keep a watchful eye over Judah, but I will blind all the horses of the nations.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

But why is it astonishing that Americans rebuke murdering hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians?

Yes, I am surprised that Americans would consider that wrong, or murder. That is not how I understood Hiroshima. I don't consider the men that carried that act out murderers. But again, it's not my homeland.

Do you find it astonishing that many Germans born post WWII rebuke what their parents/grandparents generations did?

Wait a minute. What America did with Hiroshima was self defense. Japan hit America first in a surprised attack. There are still bodies entombed today in Pearl Harbor. That is not what happened in Germany with the Holocaust. Germans should be against what happened, it was intended to be the genocide of the Jewish people. The two situations are not similar. What Hitler did he did from hate, it wasn't in "retaliation". Hiroshima was totally different and the two situations are not the same.

Is it astonishing that Americans rebuke putting Japanese Americans in camps?
Is it astonishing that Americans rebuke slavery? Why can't Americans rebuke evil in all it's forms? Because being American means never having to say sorry???

You are conflating world history and telling a different story, and I believe unfairly. I do not believe Hiroshima was evil, I believe it was self defense. The same with Japanese in camps. That was during war time, a time of great fear and confusion. Slavery, same as the Holocaust, that was done with intent and hate of a people.

 

[Smoke]

ANYWAY, this goes to anybody and everybody: Who do you think will win this current war between Israel and Hamas?

Everyone loses without Jesus Christ. If you're asking which group of people do I think will come out on top between Israel and the Palestinians, then my belief is Israel will mop the floor with the Palestinians. I just pray they are extremely discriminate in their bombings/attacks as to limit the casualties of innocent Palestinians who don't support Hamas.

This makes me think of the Hindu and Muslim conflict after Britain India back the land. There were many conflicts and murders over territory. Thankfully, they stopped the fighting and agreed on dividing the land up and so Pakistan was born. I am curious how much credit we should attribute Gandhi for his role in brokering a resolution between the two conflicting sides.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

ANYWAY, this goes to anybody and everybody: Who do you think will win this current war between Israel and Hamas?

If God keeps His promise and is still on His throne, Israel will win.

 

[Smoke]

Yes, I am surprised that Americans would consider that wrong, or murder. That is not how I understood Hiroshima. I don't consider the men that carried that act out murderers. But again, it's not my homeland.

The Americans who are responsible for nuking hundreds of thousands of civilians into oblivion were "just following orders". Nevertheless, no such consideration was given to Nazi officers who were "just following orders"... and rightfully so. War isn't an excuse to murder indiscriminately.

Wait a minute. What America did with Hiroshima was self defense. Japan hit America first in a surprised attack. There are still bodies entombed today in Pearl Harbor. That is not what happened in Germany with the Holocaust. Germans should be against what happened, it was intended to be the genocide of the Jewish people. The two situations are not similar. What Hitler did he did from hate, it wasn't in "retaliation". Hiroshima was totally different and the two situations are not the same.

Yes, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor first. However, you make it sound as if Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and then we immediately used nukes on Japanese civilians out of "self-defense". The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was in Dec of 1941... We murdered the Japanese civilians in the latter stage of the war in Aug of 1945. The US wasn't in eminent danger... Germany had already surrendered in May of that year. While the war was ongoing, Japan was stubborn and foolish to not give up sooner (we can agree on this point)... but that doesn't mean we can murder their civilians because the leader of the country refused to surrender. That's not how this is supposed to work.

You are conflating world history and telling a different story, and I believe unfairly. I do not believe Hiroshima was evil, I believe it was self defense. The same with Japanese in camps. That was during war time, a time of great fear and confusion. Slavery, same as the Holocaust, that was done with intent and hate of a people.

No, I'm using facts and applying it to your narrative to give further context. The winners of the war get to tell the narrative. It doesn't always mean they accurately and thoroughly tell that narrative.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

we had dawn raids in nz. That was something else. Racially motivated.
And CYFS do uplift babies and take them hostage to foster homes which to some families they just see as stealing their child.

so you cant say one side is completely right and one is completely wrong or that one side NEVER does anything wrong. Zionist govt isnt squeaky clean.

Yes, yes you can in this instance. This is the worse attack on Israel since the Holocaust. There is no way this can be seen as right. None.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You realize we murdered ~120,00-230,000 innocent Japanese civilians? Sure, we didn't behead babies, but we absolutely obliterated them... To many of the survivors of the initial blasts, they later died from radiation poisoning. So yes, I believe unnecessarily dropping two nuclear bombs and murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians was the wrong response.

You, like Smoke, are conflating two situations. Do you not understand the difference I am talking about?

 

[ZNP]

I mean, yeah? It's absolutely a similar belief system wouldn't you say? Killing civilians is apparently kosher if you're in a state of war with that type of logic.

No. Supporting the bombing of Hiroshima is not the same as supporting terrorism.