Honestly, I’ve never had that response (accusation). I’ve always been lead to use the KJV. It’s easy to catch falseness when you know the truth.
Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?
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Oh well you must have been talking to people in person. People are a lot more polite and reserved about their opinions in person.Honestly, I’ve never had that response (accusation). I’ve always been lead to use the KJV. It’s easy to catch falseness when you know the truth.
Try spreading the Gospel online and you will soon find out how much you need the art and science of Christian apologetics.
But not everyone can understand the KJV. How would that help a person seeking God who can't understand it? This is why God has other English translations of the Bible. As well as translations in other languages.....
I think you're on the wrong tack. When you hear people accusing the Bible of being corrupted, oftentimes they're just trying to find an excuse not to seek God or understand or accept His gift of salvation.
Next time someone tells you "Oh the Bible is corrupt!" you tell that person, that if they REALLY want to seek God and get saved, God will enable them to reach the truth through whatever Bible He deems will best explain Him to the person.
Before I came to Christ. I had a free KJV Bible (that's why it's the popular and printed - it's because it's FREE) and I gave up reading the Bible because I didn't understand it. But when I was serious about seeking God, I was given an NIV Bible and that opened up the whole world of God to me!
Now I do parallel Bible study on my own now that the internet can post several translations of the Bible at the same time which includes both the NIV and KJV as well as others. It's the best way for me!
I've studied most of KVJ Bible verse by verse in detail and even I can't understand many parts (I've been stuck on a single verse many times). By all means I am NOT against using other versions for easier understanding. That has nothing to do with this argument.But not everyone can understand the KJV. How would that help a person seeking God who can't understand it? This is why God has other English translations of the Bible. As well as translations in other languages.....
I think you're on the wrong tack. When you hear people accusing the Bible of being corrupted, oftentimes they're just trying to find an excuse not to seek God or understand or accept His gift of salvation.
Next time someone tells you "Oh the Bible is corrupt!" you tell that person, that if they REALLY want to seek God and get saved, God will enable them to reach the truth through whatever Bible He deems will best explain Him to the person.
Before I came to Christ. I had a free KJV Bible (that's why it's the popular and printed - it's because it's FREE) and I gave up reading the Bible because I didn't understand it. But when I was serious about seeking God, I was given an NIV Bible and that opened up the whole world of God to me!
Now I do parallel Bible study on my own now that the internet can post several translations of the Bible at the same time which includes both the NIV and KJV as well as others. It's the best way for me!
I wouldn't dismiss people with "if you really seek God you'll find him", while that true, this sort of dismissive attitude is part of the reason why people end up seeking God and finding Allah, while thinking they are the same. And while they still accept the possibility of Bible's truth, they get pulled away by their Muslim friends and family, and they have no defense of the Bible.
Before I became born again I also questioned the Bible as being corrupt. Afterwards I've studied most of it verse by verse and addressed every apparent contradiction.
NIV is possibly the most corrupt version of them all, which takes many verses out of the Bible and downplays homosexuality as an abominable sin (It was authored by 2 homosexuals). Use NKJV instead, it's a modern, easy to read translation. It still uses some Alexandrian texts, but not nearly as many as other corrupt translations.
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Would it be fair to say that the ease of reading is the Trojan Horse that has brought some distorted and diluted text variants into many modern translations? I’m all for clear reading styles but not if I have to give up key passages clear in the TR in favour of those obfuscated by the Critical Text.
No, it doesn't, because it is all the more likely that the "code" is of human origin.
Start with TR-based translations in other languages such as French, Spanish, or German.
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You dont know what Bible i use, nor do you know in what language. You are making assumptions.
You just dont like that your little bible code dont hold water or it wod translate through out all the languages especially the original language of the Bible, and at least the textus receptus.
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Vain human imaginings to distract from the actual message of the Bible.
It's not just ease of reading. The whole discussion between TR and Critical text is centered on the fact that TR is not the earliest manuscripts available. And even the Critical text came centuries after Jesus anyway, further reducing apparent trustworthiness of the Bible. TR text is in few places backed up by the teachings of the first century church fathers, so that's good, however, it's not good enough. We have more people becoming atheist then ever because they don't see enough proof of Bible being the word of God.
That doesn't make any sense... how could you encode so many formulas into an EXISTING text? It's easy to encode stuff when you're the author but it's a whole different ball game when you don't have the option to manipulate the text any way you like. This makes it astronomically unlikely that this is man made text. And other translations also have some of these formulas, but not as many as the KJV version.
Nobody is born a believer. Do you mean people are becoming atheists after being
brought up in a Christian household? Do you think they had faith to begin with, that
they then lost somehow after being exposed to so many counter-arguments?
Miss the point much? I'm not saying anyone tried to encode an existing text, but it's possible to do so as you write it.
I haven't mentioned other translations; I have said other languages. Do you understand the distinction?
Anyway, I've had enough entertainment with this thread. It's a ridiculous proposition that does not merit any more of my time.
Oh so YOU can make assumptions about me, but not the other way around? Pretty hypocritical if you ask me.
Why would it need to be translate through all the languages? That WOULD be nice, but it's already a translated Bible version that has encoded formulas from original text and then some. I've yet to see anyone disprove it. So unless you can come up with some un-biblical or un-Christian code using the same method, then you have nothing.
People brought up Christians become atheist or Muslim. People brought up in other ways end up the same. Yes, absolutely, we live in a logical society and people demand logical explanations.
The most important thing though is how have you applied what you've learned from the Bible to yourself? How have you changed from before you got saved? Because it's not enough to know a Bible translation, but how has God changed you based on the Bible you're reading? Knowledge puffs up. Satan knows the Bible too, you know.
I haven't missed your point at all, but you don't even understand what you're talking about... you're talking about manipulating translation of the text to change number of words... you really don't get to do that unless you are writing an original text. If you try to do that then your translation will obviously look fake and manipulated.
What difference do other languages make and why would it carry over to other languages anyway, that would defeat the whole purpose of God marking the most widespread Bible version as the most accurate. It is you who is missing the point here.
Before landing here I spent a good deal of time speaking with atheists and other non-believers.
I cannot say they were logical. They thought they were, certainly thought they were more logical
and rational than Christians, but I did not find that to be the case at all. E.g., they would say we were
brainwashed and only believed because we were told to, but then wanted to tell us what to believe instead.
True, absolutely. I can't even remember my thought process from before I got saved.The most important thing though is how have you applied what you've learned from the Bible to yourself? How have you changed from before you got saved? Because it's not enough to know a Bible translation, but how has God changed you based on the Bible you're reading? Knowledge puffs up. Satan knows the Bible too, you know.
same,
looking back i feel like i was almost completely different person. i can no longer understand why i made decisions i used to make, at all