Someone who is filled with the holy spirit fully believes in God and his judgement, and someone who fully believes actually goes out and does their best to warn and convert people to Christ, not just sit back and say "let God handle it". God will handle it, but we will all pay on judgement day for every action we took and did not take.
Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?
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Interesting point which completely dismisses Christian apologetics. Today we have more than ever young people becoming atheist and Muslim because the Bible is claimed to have contradictions, and they are partially right because there are corrupted Bible translations and most people can't tell which one is which. Because of that I don't think we can dismiss apologetics just yet. Some people do get converted instantly without researching the Bible, but most people don't. People will ask questions about the Bible message and if you dismiss them all as "you just don't have the spirit" that is NOT inspiring at all and that is not what Jesus and his apostles did. They not only clarified what the message meant, but they actually did miracles as proof of them being from God. You are not going to convert most people with "God is God, get used to it" attitude. You need to answer people's questions, and to know the right answer you need to know which Bible version is the most accurate representation of the word of God. And once you have the most accurate Bible version you would just have to show proof that it is.
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I picture apologetics like a car driving in Florida - with a map you can find the location of the rocket launch area but you will not get into space unless you get out of the car at some point and blast off!
In the same way, many people are lost and driving about with false or outdated maps, unable to find the launch site.
As Christians it is our job to use all means to reach as many as possible, wherever they are. Some things that don’t “float our boat” may be just the thing someone else needs to find their way.
It does us all good to look outside our comfort zones and go into the highways and byways sometimes.
In the same way, many people are lost and driving about with false or outdated maps, unable to find the launch site.
As Christians it is our job to use all means to reach as many as possible, wherever they are. Some things that don’t “float our boat” may be just the thing someone else needs to find their way.
It does us all good to look outside our comfort zones and go into the highways and byways sometimes.
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Well actually, God’s saints/Elect have already been justified.
And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
- Romans 8:27-30 (KJV)
And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
- Romans 8:27-30 (KJV)
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Might it be worth saying that for those who feel led to look at deeper layers within scripture, we should do it in humility and not out of a spirit of dissatisfaction with the plain meaning. To seek an understanding of the depth and greatness of God so that that can be shared with the lost, not just for knowledges sake, is surely a goal worth striving towards?
Might it also be worth saying that for those who don’t find such endeavours edifying, there is much that is pressing in the world right now, with the possible fulfilments of Psalm 83, Isaiah 17 and maybe Jeremiah’s prophecy of Elam perhaps not too distant, I think the Lord would have us all about His business, reaching the lost either with the simplicity of the gospel or with information that might demolish strongholds keeping them from coming to the light?
Might it also be worth saying that for those who don’t find such endeavours edifying, there is much that is pressing in the world right now, with the possible fulfilments of Psalm 83, Isaiah 17 and maybe Jeremiah’s prophecy of Elam perhaps not too distant, I think the Lord would have us all about His business, reaching the lost either with the simplicity of the gospel or with information that might demolish strongholds keeping them from coming to the light?
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Because you think salvation is an act of the human will. That the Gospel has no power, but requires the clever devices of man.
No salvation is by the power of the Holy Spirit not requiring; as Paul put it eloquent and clever speech.
Apologetics is for the Christian to use to defend his faith against evil attacks. As it is written, be prepared to give a defense for the Hope that you have.
No salvation is by the power of the Holy Spirit not requiring; as Paul put it eloquent and clever speech.
Apologetics is for the Christian to use to defend his faith against evil attacks. As it is written, be prepared to give a defense for the Hope that you have.
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As in:
1 Corinthians
20Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 22For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 24But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Certainly the gospel is not just a persuasive package of powerful evidence that would bring the lost to their knees through force of argument. Those who don’t want Jesus will find their own mental tricks to tell themselves a counter story. Apologetics works best with someone seeking God who has honest questions.
1 Corinthians
20Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 22For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 24But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Certainly the gospel is not just a persuasive package of powerful evidence that would bring the lost to their knees through force of argument. Those who don’t want Jesus will find their own mental tricks to tell themselves a counter story. Apologetics works best with someone seeking God who has honest questions.
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When original languages have it it's not very significant because it could be man-made. Only when a translation shows up in the future through a language not existing at the time does this become proof of divine intervention. The Hebrew Torah has the word Torah every 50th letter from Genesis to Exodus, then Torah backwards from Deuteronomy to Numbers, all pointing to Leviticus. Then YHWH is encoded into at every 7th letter of Leviticus. I can't remember where, but I've read about a team of mathematicians that determined it to be insignificant. I don't know Hebrew or how easy or difficult would it be accomplished by a highly talented linguist writing the Bible, but there is a reason people claim there is not much proof the Bible is true.
Also, the King James is based on TR, and which other original language texts do you want to use? There are hundreds of thousands of manuscripts.
Also, the King James is based on TR, and which other original language texts do you want to use? There are hundreds of thousands of manuscripts.
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Wrong. I don't think salvation is through human will. So what defense do you have against evil attacks? What defense do you have for the hope that you share with others when you don't even have an accurate Bible version, when there is a bunch of versions out there contradicting each other?
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