The Gathering of Ourselves Together

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Aaron56

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Just another person trying to justify his refusal to assemble with others in a local church.
Please highlight the text in my posts where I claim a believer should not meet with other believers.

It could simply be poor reading comprehension but it seems more like a straw-man argument arising from bias.
 

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[QUOTE="Aaron56, post: 5164481, member: 308915" The church‘s problem today is that their primary time of fellowship is on a particular day of the week in a particular building. Shameful.[/QUOTE]

I don't think many Christians believe this is the church's biggest problem.

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Edify

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Who gave you the idea that you, who presumably have the Spirit of God in him, only have something to share on Sundays in a particular building? The church‘s problem today is that their primary time of fellowship is on a particular day of the week in a particular building. Shameful.
That time is the Lord's day, established by the apostles. It isn't the day that's the problem, it's what they do with it in their hearts.
That, my friend, is shameful.
 

Edify

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The writer of Hebrews taught to never forsake gathering together not as something to do, but for the christian's benefit for unity & spiritual health.
One only needs to look right here on CC to see that those who don't go to church(not looking for one) get bitter, & that bitterness is commonly because of something that happened in their last church attended.
I say bitterness because it's promoted by unforgiveness.
Those who don't go, look back, hindsight is 20/20. Unforgiveness will eat like a cancer. I oughta know... I left an organization for that very reason. It took a loving church to help me find my way. :)
I will not judge you for your decision. I only want you to receive inner healing in your spirit & enjoy living again.
 

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If a believing woman is married to an unbelieving husband, and the husband doesn't want her going to church, if she doesn't go to church out of respect for her husband does she at that point stop being part of the body of Christ?
 

Aaron56

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That time is the Lord's day, established by the apostles. It isn't the day that's the problem, it's what they do with it in their hearts.
That, my friend, is shameful.
The Day approaching is the return of the Lord.
The assembling of ourselves together is the fitting of each one into the Body of Christ.

Paul expounded on this quite a lot. Here's one example:

"12The body is a unit, though it is composed of many parts. And although its parts are many, they all form one body. So it is with Christ. 13For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free, and we were all given one Spirit to drink.
14For the body does not consist of one part, but of many. 15If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be?
18But in fact, God has arranged the members of the body, every one of them, according to His design. 19If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
21The eye cannot say to the hand, “I do not need you.” Nor can the head say to the feet, “I do not need you.” 22On the contrary, the parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23and the parts we consider less honorable, we treat with greater honor. And our unpresentable parts are treated with special modesty, 24whereas our presentable parts have no such need.
But God has composed the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25so that there should be no division in the body, but that its members should have mutual concern for one another. 26If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it."


An example of forsaking the assembling of ourselves together is if, within a church, certain elders are established by an apostle (you know, how all elders are established in the scriptures) but then a member of the group says "I will not heed this elder's direction" because of (insert person's own bias).

Or, a shepherd (pastor) admonishes another, for whom he watches over their soul, but the brother says "I will not listen to him!".

Or, the husband, who is charged with the care of his wife in the Lord, says "I will do my own thing and she can do hers. Why should I be responsible for her care?"

Or, when the Lord sends a word of correction to the saints through someone else but some saints say "Who is this man that he should instruct us? We will continue doing things our way."

You can see, hopefully, these issues all arise within a church who connects with one another. So, the issue is not about meeting or not meeting but about the manner in which each one recognizes the grace given to the other.
 
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If a believing woman is married to an unbelieving husband, and the husband doesn't want her going to church, if she doesn't go to church out of respect for her husband does she at that point stop being part of the body of Christ?
First off dont marry unbelievers
Second, we obey God.
The what if machine can what if a million what ifs. What if He any asks her to do any number of unconscionable things?
 
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when Jesus Ascended, all we read from then on for next 15 books is about house gathering, church building + gathering, breaking bread TOGETHER, and much more.

I am quite certain, besides in the beginning of hiding, from then to Day of Pentecost, it was a gathering to wait for the Promise. but when the Holy Spirit overwhelmed and filled them and they began to become embolden, they still remained gathered. Paul, he built churches, and those Congregations continually merged into a bigger gathering. John, he and his own Disciples, later on would continue these Churches.

From the Moment when Jesus stepped into the Picture, until, the final Gathering of the Saints, it's been about the BODY of Christ.

i have not yet found the Book, Chapters, Verses, that explain, I am now to be a Rogue, off the Grid, Hermit, literally avoiding at all costs to be gathered together with Like Followers of God.
 

Aaron56

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when Jesus Ascended, all we read from then on for next 15 books is about house gathering, church building + gathering, breaking bread TOGETHER, and much more.

I am quite certain, besides in the beginning of hiding, from then to Day of Pentecost, it was a gathering to wait for the Promise. but when the Holy Spirit overwhelmed and filled them and they began to become embolden, they still remained gathered. Paul, he built churches, and those Congregations continually merged into a bigger gathering. John, he and his own Disciples, later on would continue these Churches.

From the Moment when Jesus stepped into the Picture, until, the final Gathering of the Saints, it's been about the BODY of Christ.

i have not yet found the Book, Chapters, Verses, that explain, I am now to be a Rogue, off the Grid, Hermit, literally avoiding at all costs to be gathered together with Like Followers of God.
Of course.
 

Aaron56

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[QUOTE="Aaron56, post: 5164481, member: 308915" The church‘s problem today is that their primary time of fellowship is on a particular day of the week in a particular building. Shameful.

I don't think many Christians believe this is the church's biggest problem.
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I wouldn't say that either.
 

Aaron56

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when Jesus Ascended, all we read from then on for next 15 books is about house gathering, church building + gathering, breaking bread TOGETHER, and much more.

I am quite certain, besides in the beginning of hiding, from then to Day of Pentecost, it was a gathering to wait for the Promise. but when the Holy Spirit overwhelmed and filled them and they began to become embolden, they still remained gathered. Paul, he built churches, and those Congregations continually merged into a bigger gathering. John, he and his own Disciples, later on would continue these Churches.

From the Moment when Jesus stepped into the Picture, until, the final Gathering of the Saints, it's been about the BODY of Christ.

i have not yet found the Book, Chapters, Verses, that explain, I am now to be a Rogue, off the Grid, Hermit, literally avoiding at all costs to be gathered together with Like Followers of God.

Why do you think many people read my original posts and interpreted it as "Don't gather together" when I wrote no such thing?

Do you think, perhaps, they've use the verse in question to teach others to defy the governments during COVID shut-downs?
 
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I would love to go to church on Sunday but I have 12 step meetings and am also disabled

I do attend the church art class

It would be good to have a service online
 

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Do you think, perhaps, they've use the verse in question to teach others to defy the governments during COVID shut-downs?
Defying governments is not necessarily a bad thing. Which you should have pointed out. So the underlying biblical principle is this: When governments oppose God and His commandments, we are to defy them and obey God.

There was absolutely no scientific reason for all the COVID tyranny. Had absolutely every church done this and continued to gather --AS DONE NORMALLY -- the governments could not have gone after millions of Christians or their leaders. Instead they used Gestapo tactics with impunity because only very few stood up to them.

As to what you posted about gathering together, it could well be taken by some that you are actually opposed to this biblical practice. So you could have posted a DISCLAIMER right at the top.
 

Aaron56

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Defying governments is not necessarily a bad thing. Which you should have pointed out. So the underlying biblical principle is this: When governments oppose God and His commandments, we are to defy them and obey God.

There was absolutely no scientific reason for all the COVID tyranny. Had absolutely every church done this and continued to gather --AS DONE NORMALLY -- the governments could not have gone after millions of Christians or their leaders. Instead they used Gestapo tactics with impunity because only very few stood up to them.

As to what you posted about gathering together, it could well be taken by some that you are actually opposed to this biblical practice. So you could have posted a DISCLAIMER right at the top.
It certainly ferreted out those with bias and/or reading comprehension issues!
 

Nehemiah6

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Aaron56

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Why do you think many people read my original posts and interpreted it as "Don't gather together" when I wrote no such thing?
maybe, it is your writing style, and somehow, it resembles the opposite meaning of your intent.
Do you think, perhaps, they've use the verse in question to teach others to defy the governments during COVID shut-downs?
well, everyone, knows about what Paul wrote concerning obeying the Government from the Letter to the Romans. whether they obey it or not, only they would know. now, because, no one was forced to worship or take a Mark during Covid [that Combo is the Crucial One] + series of Vaccinations. what Paul wrote, about obeying Government, was "clearly" ignored. we know, Covid, was not attached to Worship or the Mark of the Beast. and we also know, the MAJORITY of "disclaimers like magenticism, changing dna, becoming machines, etc were ALL Lies, created, mostly by OUR OWN SIDE of Faith!

so, how that stacks up to God's View, from the Letter of Romans, to what was done during Covid, is a Mystery for sure.
 

Edify

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How foolish. How utterly bereft of understanding. So stupid! In fact, as we look at the clear meaning of the scripture those who say “Go to church or else!” are actually those who are condemning themselves by using coercion and guilt to fill the seats for the meeting. This is not ironic: your sin will find you out. The Lord knows that empty men will use the scriptures to suit their own needs. What kind of correction awaits someone who uses the Word of God in that manner?
This is a judgment call, because one would have to go to EVERY church that claims this verse & see if indeed they are using coercion to fill their seats.
A good example: I personally believe it means to meet as often as we will, & I don't use this as a coercion of any kind.
When you judge "those who say", you are judging me and anyone else on CC that believes this.
I for one, don't appreciate it.
If you don't want to go to church, just say so. But don't accuse those that do & believe this verse.
Personally, I believe we all could do better than we are doing in this thread... stop arguing, for one.:)