I don’t either… By the very nature of your statement, wouldn't that make Jesus God?
I am a Christian who does not accept or follow Christianity.
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I don’t either… By the very nature of your statement, wouldn't that make Jesus God?
You have referenced Jesus being the son of God, and that is true. But what was He before that?
And that creates quite the quagmire, regarding your position.
Jesus was God before He was called the son of God. But you seem to believe that because He was called the son of God, He is no longer God.
Wait a second friend… It does just say Jesus was with God. It says Jesus was God.
John 1:1-12
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
That is not what I said.
the Word was with God.
God was the word.
Then John 17:5. For, God has revealed this to me.
John 1:1 TR - Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος
In the beginning was the word. And the word was with God. And God was the word.
You said:
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
So you admit God is the word, and the word “God” became flesh. So the flesh that God became is God. Simple
Yes….. God was the word… And the word became flesh and dwelt amongst us.
I don't know where you get that.
John 1:14 NASB20 - And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us; and we saw His glory, glory as of the only [Son] from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Just read what is written…
King James Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
God is the Word. The Word is God. And God (word) became flesh (Jesus)
But it doesn’t get much easier than this.
God=Word — Word=Flesh — Flesh= Jesus — Jesus=God God=Word Word=Flesh Flesh=Jesus Jesus=God
I wasn’t going to address this, but we are going to obviously have different opinions on scriptures, that just comes with us all being individuals.
However; I say this as a fellow believer, your Bible sucks!
My man, your manuscripts are suspect at least.
Why are you utilizing a Bible that openly replaces words of the original text?
Yes, we believe The Scriptures:
"For there are Three that bear record in heaven, The Father, The
Word, and The Holy Ghost: and These Three are One." (1 John 5:7)
Amen.
Plainly, Jacob does not believe what is written. Though he will tell you that he does.
