Which Bible Verses Will Prepare You for the Post-Tribulation Rapture (and the Great Tribulation Before That?)

[Truthnightmare]

Or the 144k are part of those who are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord and are raptured (Harpazo in Greek).

Well ask yourself, does the coming of the Lord happen before or after these events?

Rev 14
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

[ewq1938]

The events described? He comes AFTER people take the mark but BEFORE they receive the wrath of God.

Well ask yourself, does the coming of the Lord happen before or after these events?

Rev 14
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

[Truthnightmare]

The events described? He comes AFTER people take the mark but BEFORE they receive the wrath of God.

At what point do you believe the wrath begins?

 

[ewq1938]

At what point do you believe the wrath begins?

Rev 11 says the wrath comes at the 7th trump.

 

[romans113336]

Hi Everyone!

Just like the title says, what bible verses will prepare us for the Post-Tribulation Rapture and the Great Tribulation before that? Please no debate about whether the Rapture is Pre-, Mid-, Post- or non-existent (I'm fine either way with a rapture or gathering - doesn't matter to me as long as the Lord Jesus collects us!). There are plenty of other threads where you can debate about when the Rapture/gathering occurs ad nauseum.

Please post the verse and then do a little exposition or bible study on it or simply what it means to you in preparing for what's to come.

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I'll start:

When I first realized that the Rapture will be AFTER the Great Tribulation, I was honestly really afraid. I started looking at YouTube videos about prepping, growing food, purifying water, solar panels, etc. But all that just made me more anxious.

God set me straight though! He had me focus on what He instructs us in the Bible about how to prepare for the Post-Trib end times. It must start with our walk with the Lord, our trust in Him. Preparation starts spiritually, not physically.

There's actually a lot of verses, but right now I'm in Luke 12.

The first thing in this passage that pertains to the Post-Trib end times (for me anyway) is:

Luke 12:22 Then Jesus said to his disciples: “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. 23 For life is more than food, and the body more than clothes. 24 Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds! 25 Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to your life? 26 Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest?

27 “Consider how the wild flowers grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you, not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 28 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today, and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, how much more will he clothe you—you of little faith! 29 And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do not worry about it. 30 For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father knows that you need them. 31 But seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well.

32 “Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. 33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.


So this passage for me is God telling me to not focus on stockpiling and other physical preparation. Put God and His kingdom as first priority and He will somehow provide.

I can testify that He has caused me never to be rich, but miraculously, I've always had enough and even been given things that I want and not just need. It made me appreciate just how thoughtful God is that He'd even do that to consider the things I like that aren't necessarily essential. I experienced this early in my walk with Him and through out the rest of my walk with Him.

I wonder how the Lord will provide for me and all the other faithful Christians out there when our ability to buy and sell gets cut off by refusing the mark of the beast, but I'm actually very confident that He will. For some Christians, He will have specific instructions to stockpile, etc. as He did with Noah and Joseph. For others, He will provide what's needed like the ravens feeding Elijah during the 3-year drought or manna from heaven during Israel's 40 years of wandering in the desert.

This passage is extremely comforting to me and took a lot of the anxiety off me. I really think God put this passage in the Bible, not only to let us know that He will take good care and provide for us, but also to give great comfort to us as well. This passage was like a big warm, protective hug from the Lord, telling me not to get scared of the coming Great Tribulation!


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Pre-trib rapture is indeed an errant doctrine--I don't know if I could call it "false", as that is reserved for doctrines that separate people from God, like the Judaizing heresy, though.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Rev 11 says the wrath comes at the 7th trump.

What verse in Rev 11 are you referring too?

 

[romans113336]

Rev 11 says the wrath comes at the 7th trump.

There is a lot of sloppy reading, game playing, among the "eschatology experts"--eg, interpreting, wrongly, the entirety of the end times as "wrath", when there is also "tribulation"--I don't really bother trying to understand it, because it is hidden by God. He will make us know it when ever He pleases.

 

[Truthnightmare]

There is a lot of sloppy reading, game playing, among the "eschatology experts"--eg, interpreting, wrongly, the entirety of the end times as "wrath", when there is also "tribulation"--I don't really bother trying to understand it, because it is hidden by God. He will make us know it when ever He pleases.

I agree we will understand more as time progresses. In my simple opinion we have a tribulation, a great tribulation, then the wrath of God which is poured out upon those men who have worshipped the beast.

 

[romans113336]

I agree we will understand more as time progresses. In my simple opinion we have a tribulation, a great tribulation, then the wrath of God which is poured out upon those men who have worshipped the beast.

It seems correct.

Paul says we inherit through many tribulations, so that must already have been taking place since then.

There will be a "great tribulation", which is mercy, to cause people to turn to God.

Then there will be wrath, which is not redemptive but destructive.

 

[ewq1938]

What verse in Rev 11 are you referring too?

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Pre-trib rapture is indeed an errant doctrine--I don't know if I could call it "false", as that is reserved for doctrines that separate people from God, like the Judaizing heresy, though.

I consider it false because I believe it will contribute to the great falling away or Apostasy that was written in the Bible. It leaves Pre-Tribbers totally unprepared spiritually.

So when the Great Tribulation with the AC arrives and all the Christians, including Pre-Tribbers, are still here, a great number of them will not make it through because they had not built up their trust and faith in the Lord to endure to the end when everything physical (such as our ability to provide for us and our families) gets taken away from us.


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[romans113336]

I consider it false because I believe it will contribute to the great falling away or Apostasy that was written in the Bible. It leaves Pre-Tribbers totally unprepared spiritually.

So when the Great Tribulation with the AC arrives and all the Christians, including Pre-Tribbers, are still here, a great number of them will not make it through because they had not built up their trust and faith in the Lord to endure to the end when everything physical (such as our ability to provide for us and our families) gets taken away from us.


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1. I can understand where you're coming from--but I doubt that people who cling to the Lord will be caused to fall away by that, they'll just accept it when they see it's wrong... unless they're superficial, in which case, they're not really "clinging to the Lord" to begin with. My brother says, "I'll just reject the mark of the beast and have my head cut off", not understanding it isn't that easy. The mark of the beast will have a temptation attached to it. People who sin today, knowing it is wrong, will also sin then, even knowing it is wrong.

2. I wouldn't say the pre-tribbers are TOTALLY wrong, because God WILL hide some people, supernaturally, during that time (Rv 3). They don't need to be "tested", because they've already passed the test, so they will be kept from it.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

1. I can understand where you're coming from--but I doubt that people who cling to the Lord will be caused to fall away by that, they'll just accept it when they see it's wrong... unless they're superficial, in which case, they're not really "clinging to the Lord" to begin with. My brother says, "I'll just reject the mark of the beast and have my head cut off", not understanding it isn't that easy. The mark of the beast will have a temptation attached to it. People who sin today, knowing it is wrong, will also sin then, even knowing it is wrong.

Not all of them think as your brother does. God bless him for the right attitude being ready to die for the Lord!). I also agree with him that it is that easy. There is nothing that the AC and a one-world government can offer that would complicate my decision.

I do wonder about all these Pre-Tribbers right now on this and other tribulation rapture threads who are arguing so hard for their false teaching whether they'll just acclimate quickly to the situation and endure to the end (I hope so!) or crumble and fall away.

2. I wouldn't say the pre-tribbers are TOTALLY wrong, because God WILL hide some people, supernaturally, during that time (Rv 3). They don't need to be "tested", because they've already passed the test, so they will be kept from it.

Yeah, I do believe God will hide some people to stay alive to the end, but according to the Bible, God won't hide everyone. A LOT of Christians will be killed by various things. However, we all know that death has lost it's sting due to our Lord Jesus so that when we die, we'll be with God and resting from all those troubles.

Being "kept" also means being able to go through the GT with our faith and trust in Him intact, so it doesn't necessarily mean God just physically hiding some people.


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[romans113336]

Not all of them think as your brother does. God bless him for the right attitude being ready to die for the Lord!).

I miscommunicated: he lives a worldly life, loving money, and despising people who don't have the money he has, and his "way out" of living for the Lord TODAY is "I'll just get my head cut off instead of taking the mark, then I'll go to heaven even though I didn't live for the Lord".

I also agree with him that it is that easy. There is nothing that the AC and a one-world government can offer that would complicate my decision.

I doubt you live comparably to him.

I do wonder about all these Pre-Tribbers right now on this and other tribulation rapture threads who are arguing so hard for their false teaching whether they'll just acclimate quickly to the situation and endure to the end (I hope so!) or crumble and fall away.

If they have the Lord, they'll humble themselves.

Yeah, I do believe God will hide some people to stay alive to the end, but according to the Bible, God won't hide everyone. A LOT of Christians will be killed by various things.

Agree.

However, we all know that death has lost it's sting due to our Lord Jesus so that when we die, we'll be with God and resting from all those troubles.

"The sting of death is sin, the strength of sin is the Law." (1 Co 15:45)

Being "kept" also means being able to go through the GT with our faith and trust in Him intact, so it doesn't necessarily mean God just physically hiding some people.

Only one single Church was told that, so it doesn't apply to all, and it will be supernatural protection.

 

[ewq1938]

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

7 churches are mentioned of the Christians in the first century yet pre-trib takes one line from one letter and uses it as if this one thing somehow proves the entire church will be raptured before the great tribulation. That's horribly bad exegesis.

The problems:

1. Obviously, it's only said about 1/7 of the churches so that isn't a pre-trib rapture of the whole church.


2, The fact that tribulation is mentioned for one of the other churches further disproves any idea that the church won't face tribulation. ie: this verse cancels out the other verse. The truth is that neither is talking about the rapture or the great tribulation.

So which is it? No tribulation or some? Pre-trib is inconsistent and misleading when they cite Rev 3:10 and not also Rev 2:10.


Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.


3. "keep thee from the hour of temptation" is not the same as "rapture you out of the world to avoid the great tribulation". This means to not fall for or accept the temptations offered like how Christ was kept from falling for any of the devil's temptations. Jesus was not raptured out of the world to be kept from those temptations and neither shall the church.

1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to BEAR it.

One can escape something by being able to bear it. It is not a physical escape but a mental and spiritual escape.

 

[romans113336]

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

7 churches are mentioned of the Christians in the first century yet pre-trib takes one line from one letter and uses it as if this one thing somehow proves the entire church will be raptured before the great tribulation. That's horribly bad exegesis.

The problems:

1. Obviously, it's only said about 1/7 of the churches so that isn't a pre-trib rapture of the whole church.


2, The fact that tribulation is mentioned for one of the other churches further disproves any idea that the church won't face tribulation. ie: this verse cancels out the other verse. The truth is that neither is talking about the rapture or the great tribulation.

So which is it? No tribulation or some? Pre-trib is inconsistent and misleading when they cite Rev 3:10 and not also Rev 2:10.


Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.


3. "keep thee from the hour of temptation" is not the same as "rapture you out of the world to avoid the great tribulation". This means to not fall for or accept the temptations offered like how Christ was kept from falling for any of the devil's temptations. Jesus was not raptured out of the world to be kept from those temptations and neither shall the church.

1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to BEAR it.

One can escape something by being able to bear it. It is not a physical escape but a mental and spiritual escape.

I don't believe in pre-trib, so you're kind of "preaching to the choir". LOL

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I miscommunicated: he lives a worldly life, loving money, and despising people who don't have the money he has, and his "way out" of living for the Lord TODAY is "I'll just get my head cut off instead of taking the mark, then I'll go to heaven even though I didn't live for the Lord".

Oh wow, I will definitely pray for your brother! He might as well get saved to "complete the transaction."

When companies were firing people for not taking the COVID vaccine, there were a quite some number of non-Christians that said that they won't take the vaccine and see it as a precursor to the mark of the beast. They also said that they won't take the mark because they heard really bad things about and would rather die. So I shared the gospel with them and prayed for them. I really hope they get saved!


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[selahsays]

Hi Everyone!

Just like the title says, what bible verses will prepare us for the Post-Tribulation Rapture and the Great Tribulation before that? Please no debate about whether the Rapture is Pre-, Mid-, Post- or non-existent (I'm fine either way with a rapture or gathering - doesn't matter to me as long as the Lord Jesus collects us!). There are plenty of other threads where you can debate about when the Rapture/gathering occurs ad nauseum.

Please post the verse and then do a little exposition or bible study on it or simply what it means to you in preparing for what's to come.

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Fantastic thread because the end times are already happening all around us! Jesus tells us exactly what to expect so that we can prepare for the events of these latter days. We have no reason to worry about these times, though, because Jesus tells us to patiently wait for Him. Jesus reveals the seven seals to His followers in Mark 13, and these seals are also mentioned in the Book of Revelation. These seals mark the end of this flesh age on earth, and Jesus reveals to us the seven things that must take place before this happens and He returns as King of kings and Lord of lords.

And here it is; Jesus tells us exactly how it’s going to happen in the end times.

Then as He went out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, "Teacher, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!" And Jesus answered and said to him, "Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone shall be left upon another, that shall not be thrown down." Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?" And Jesus, answering them, began to say: "Take heed that no one deceives you. "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and will deceive many. "But when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be troubled; for such things must happen, but the end is not yet. "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be earthquakes in various places, and there will be famines and troubles. These are the beginnings of sorrows. "But watch out for yourselves, for they will deliver you up to councils, and you will be beaten in the synagogues. You will be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony to them. "And the gospel must first be preached to all the nations. "But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit. "Now brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. "And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. "So when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not" (let the reader understand), "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. "Let him who is on the housetop not go down into the house, nor enter to take anything out of his house. "And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! "And pray that your flight may not be in winter. "For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be. "And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days. "Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, He is there!' do not believe it. "For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. "But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand. "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; "the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. "Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. "And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven. "Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. "So you also, when you see these things happening, know that it is near—at the doors! "Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. "Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is. "It is like a man going to a far country, who left his house and gave authority to his servants, and to each his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to watch. "Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming—in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning — "lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping. "And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!"

- Mark 13

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

7 churches are mentioned of the Christians in the first century yet pre-trib takes one line from one letter and uses it as if this one thing somehow proves the entire church will be raptured before the great tribulation. That's horribly bad exegesis.

And EACH of those "7 letter" concludes with "...that hath an ear, let him hear WHAT THE SPIRIT SAITH UNTO THE CHURCHES."

So each letter is intended for more than merely the one church it is specifically addressed to ("to the church of ____").

The problems:

1. Obviously, it's only said about 1/7 of the churches so that isn't a pre-trib rapture of the whole church.

Not true, for the reason I stated above.

2, The fact that tribulation is mentioned for one of the other churches further disproves any idea that the church won't face tribulation. ie: this verse cancels out the other verse.

[besides reiterating what I'd put, above... each letter is also intended as "the Spirit saith UNTO THE CHURCHES" (more than the one addressed)]...



...NO ONE is saying that the Church which is His body "WON'T FACE TRIBULATION"... Never have stated this!

In fact, I've continually pointed out that "persecutions and tribulations YE ENDURE" (2Th1:4) was already taking place back in the first century (the Thessalonians were ongoingly experiencing such); and "through MANY tribulations we must enter into the kingdom of God" ( https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/act/14/22/p0/t_concf_1032022 ), not "experience NONE"! No!

Never said that, and it is false to attribute such a claim to those of us who are "pre-trib". It simply is not the case that we've stated such an idea.

The truth is that neither is talking about the rapture or the great tribulation.

So which is it? No tribulation or some? Pre-trib is inconsistent and misleading when they cite Rev 3:10 and not also Rev 2:10.

No one is denying Rev2:10 (see above).

It's just that experiencing "tribulation" 10 days, is not the same as saying, you will enter (to experience) "the hour of [the time-period of] THE temptation / THE trial which shall come upon all the world TO TRY THEM that DWELL [G2730] upon the earth"

Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Nowhere does the text state nor hint at the idea that this experience of "tribulation [10 days]" takes place at any other time-frame than WITHIN "the things WHICH ARE" (it certainly is NOT equating it to "THE HOUR OF [the time-period of] THE TEMPTATION / TRIAL which shall come upon all the world TO TRY THEM that DWELL [G2730] upon the earth" as you seem to want to equate it to; It simply does not equate.)

3. "keep thee from the hour of temptation" is not the same as "rapture you out of the world to avoid the great tribulation". This means to not fall for or accept the temptations offered like how Christ was kept from falling for any of the devil's temptations. Jesus was not raptured out of the world to be kept from those temptations and neither shall the church.

Jesus was not told He would be "KEPT FROM THE HOUR [/TIME-PERIOD] OF" the temptation in the wilderness.

So it is not appropriate to equate the wording, and then say, "see, Jesus wasn't raptured out of it." Nowhere does is say He would be "kept FROM THE HOUR [TIME-PERIOD] OF" it.

1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to BEAR it.

One can escape something by being able to bear it. It is not a physical escape but a mental and spiritual escape.

And that verse applies to the here and now... it speaks nothing of "[kept out-from] THE HOUR OF THE TEMPTATION / TRIAL WHICH SHALL COME UPON ALL THE WORLD TO TRY THEM THAT DWELL [G2730] UPON THE EARTH" (meaning) at a very SPECIFIC, FUTURE, LIMITED TIME-PERIOD commonly called "the 7-yr Tribulation Period" (the 7 yrs / 2520 days which immediately precede and LEAD UP TO Christ's Second Coming to the earth Rev19), which involve the "Seals / Trumpets / Vials" during that "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period (1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1).







So, sorry to say, your arguments fall flat as far as I am concerned, and I remain unconvinced of your viewpoint.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Rev 16:2
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial [1st Vial] upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

This surely indicates there are some that have not taken the mark of the beast. Why are they still here? Why have they not been raptured?

The Post-trib was by far the most popular opinion (among Rapturists) during the time of the Reformation (16th century), but cannot be traced to a specific starting point. There are a lot of variations on this view but in its classic sense post-tribbers seem to believe:

• The church must endure the entire 7-year period, to be Raptured at the end of the Tribulation. God will protect his children through His wrath.

This is in error, but I believe post believers are the closest to the truth out of all Rapture theories. But the theory falls off right at the end. You say that the 'Church' will be here for the setting up of satan's kingdom (Great tribulation) and that they will be here for the time of the false messiah antichrist. Then you say the church (believer) will be Raptured up into the clouds at the end of the Tribulation and then turn right around and come back with Jesus at His Second Advent - this makes no sense at all!
You undoubtedly feel that only a portion of the people on the planet (the 'Church') will be removed before the wrath of God, which in fact commences the "Day of the Lord." But there is no selective removal before God's wrath is executed on the ungodly. The 'Church' witnesses the destruction of the ungodly but is itself protected from it. Observe this Scripture showing that some are destroyed while others yet REMAIN and witness that destruction of the ungodly: "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven." {Rev 11:13}.