Which Bible Verses Will Prepare You for the Post-Tribulation Rapture (and the Great Tribulation Before That?)

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I was thinking this morning about post-tribulation believers. Are they preparing sanctuary cities right now for the Saints to join together in order to survive? They can learn to live off of the grid while they have time to prepare. In the Book of Acts, all of the followers of Jesus sold their possessions and had all things in common. Are post-tribulation believers doing the same? They will need each others support, desperately.

All God ever said in the Bible was to endure to the end. So to me that is the first and foremost important thing that every Christian should do: build up their faith and trust in the Lord so when all good things are taken away from us, we won't fall away from Him.

I think He will speak to each person individually as to how they should physically deal with the Great Tribulation. For some, He will instruct them to move somewhere else, others to stockpile, etc.

But I don't know if sanctuary cities would be even feasible because the AC will be given power to conquer Christians and have them killed so.....

I believe He will give those who are to lose their life for Him the strength and the grace to go through with it without falling away from Him. Look at all the prophets, apostles, missionaries and ordinary Christians through the centuries that died for Him.


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[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

During such times, and even now, our focus must be on the well-being of our Brothers and Sisters in Christ, not unsaved kin. We love and pray for them, but our commitment must be to the family of God.

Luke 14
[25] And there went great multitudes with him [Jesus]: and he turned, and said unto them,
[26] If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
[27] And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
[28] For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
[29] Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
[30] Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
[31] Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
[32] Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
[33] So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
[34] Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?
[35] It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

That's true. It's just that the rest of my family aren't saved, well maybe my mother, but she doesn't believe that the mark that allows us to buy and sell will be bad (it's because she loves money). So I'm really worried about them. I love God more though so I won't fall away if my family doesn't accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. But I will cry SO MUCH on Judgement Day.

I am doing what I can to help my brother and sisters in Christ right now with this thread, no matter what their position on the Rapture/Gathering. To try to encourage them to prepare spiritually for what's to come. The spiritual preparation must come first because it will be the foundation on which they will be able to stand against all that will come against us.

I'll post some book recommendations on prepping later in this thread!


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[Truthnightmare]

This verse you have posted is not primarily about Christians, but about Jews. (Although some gentiles will come to Christ at this time.)

Although some "Trib Saints" will be present, The Trib is known to be "The time of Jacob's trouble." That is a reference to Israel. The Lord shall lead them to the wilderness and protect them there.


No.
It is we who are conquerors through Christ.
Romans 8:37
“Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.”

The Church has been enduring hardships ever since it's inception, but it will never come under God's wrath. The Church will be raptured out pre-trib and Israel will be protected in the wilderness. No post-trib rapture is spoken of in the Bible.

The church is mentioned well after the tribulation has started.

 

[oyster67]

The church is mentioned well after the tribulation has started.

Yes, she is. She is in Heaven getting married during the 7 years of Trib on Earth. She shall come down after trib, not go up. Lots of people have the elevator buttons mixed up. Study Rev 19.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Yes, she is. She is in Heaven getting married during the 7 years of Trib on Earth. She shall come down after trib, not go up. Lots of people have the elevator buttons mixed up. Study Rev 19.

Revelation 22
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.

These churches are not in heaven. If they were, there would be no need to send a angel to testify to them.

 

[oyster67]

Revelation 22
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.

These churches are not in heaven. If they were, there would be no need to send a angel to testify to them.

Absolutely. The names of these Churches make that very clear. They are letters to us who live in the Church Age. Do you understand what the Church age is and when it ends?

 

[Truthnightmare]

Absolutely. The names of these Churches make that very clear. They are letters to us who live in the Church Age. Do you understand what the Church age is and when it ends?

Yes, however I also realize the term “church age” is not biblical.

 

[oyster67]

Yes, however I also realize the term “church age” is not biblical.

It is very biblical. Where did you get the idea that it was not Biblical? Perhaps you are just trying to say that the actual phrase Church Age is not in the 1611 KJV? That would be a rather pedantic tack, but you can go there if you so choose.

 

[Truthnightmare]

It is very biblical. Where did you get the idea that it was not Biblical? Perhaps you are just trying to say that the actual phrase Church Age is not in the 1611 KJV? That would be a rather pedantic tack, but you can go there if you so choose.

The not mentioning of “church age” is something to consider, but the implication of a church age does not fit in the chronological order of events that would consummate the end of the age.

 

[Truthnightmare]

It is very biblical. Where did you get the idea that it was not Biblical? Perhaps you are just trying to say that the actual phrase Church Age is not in the 1611 KJV? That would be a rather pedantic tack, but you can go there if you so choose.

Here is the problem all rapture believers are faced with…
The Church is simply a body of believers.
And this body has many parts…

14For the body is not one member, but many. 15If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 17If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? 18But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 19And if they were all one member, where were the body?

If the body is raptured, then the whole body (church) is raptured. The saints are part of the body, the elects are part of the body, the fellow brethren are part of the body, the multitude of believers are part of the body.

All of these parts are on earth during the tribulation.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Revelation 22
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.

These churches are not in heaven. If they were, there would be no need to send a angel to testify to them.

When you mention "Revelation 22"... consider:

--Revelation 1:1-3 is the prologue to the book;

--Revelation 22:6-21 is the epilogue to the book


... and therefore is not suggesting that "the church" is still on the earth [as if chronological in these sections, like even "after the NH&NE"]







Another thing to consider, which I've put in past threads:

--having it say "unto the churchES" (7x in chpts 2-3) is not the same thing as saying "unto the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"; because...


--in the "churchES" there are both believers AND those who come in His name but who are not vitally connected to Christ (i.e. they are NOT saved / they are UNsaved)--ex. the church of the Laodiceans, where He calls them "lukewarm," He is not suggesting they are "lukewarm CHRISTIANS" (i.e. milquetoast 'believers' etc... NO), but is rather saying they are not at all connected to the SOURCE (Jesus Christ), that is, they are NOT SAVED--and they are counseled to "buy of Me gold TRIED IN THE FIRE *so that*...";

--by contrast, "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (Eph1:20-23 etc) is made up of ONLY BELIEVERS (believers/all those saved of "this present age [singular]" [i.e. not OT saints, nor Trib saints, nor MK saints])








Chapters 2-3 speaks of "the things WHICH ARE" (1:19b);

Starting in chpt 4, it covers "AFTER THESE THINGS" (meaning, AFTER "the things WHICH ARE" which themselves [chpts 2-3] were never said OF THEM that they are "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" like the things "AFTER THESE" are said to, per 1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1 and which are described from 4:1 in the bulk of the book, to Rev19 and early parts of Rev20 [to Christ's Second Coming to the earth])

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ "The Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" can be in "churchES," yes; but not all (100% of the ppl) in the "churchES" is "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY," see.






[example found in 1Jn2:19 - "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."]

 

[Truthnightmare]

When you mention "Revelation 22"... consider:

--Revelation 1:1-3 is the prologue to the book;

--Revelation 22:6-21 is the epilogue to the book


... and therefore is not suggesting that "the church" is still on the earth [as if chronological in these sections, like even "after the NH&NE"]







Another thing to consider, which I've put in past threads:

--having it say "unto the churchES" (7x in chpts 2-3) is not the same thing as saying "unto the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"; because...


--in the "churchES" there are both believers AND those who come in His name but who are not vitally connected to Christ (i.e. they are NOT saved / they are UNsaved)--ex. the church of the Laodiceans, where He calls them "lukewarm," He is not suggesting they are "lukewarm CHRISTIANS" (i.e. milquetoast 'believers' etc... NO), but is rather saying they are not at all connected to the SOURCE (Jesus Christ), that is, they are NOT SAVED--and they are counseled to "buy of Me gold TRIED IN THE FIRE *so that*...";

--by contrast, "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (Eph1:20-23 etc) is made up of ONLY BELIEVERS (believers/all those saved of "this present age [singular]" [i.e. not OT saints, nor Trib saints, nor MK saints])








Chapters 2-3 speaks of "the things WHICH ARE" (1:19b);

Starting in chpt 4, it covers "AFTER THESE THINGS" (meaning, AFTER "the things WHICH ARE" which themselves [chpts 2-3] were never said OF THEM that they are "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" like the things "AFTER THESE" are said to, per 1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1 and which are described from 4:1 in the bulk of the book, to Rev19 and early parts of Rev20 [to Christ's Second Coming to the earth])

Eph1:20-23 etc) is made up of ONLYBELIEVERS (believers/all those saved of "this present age [singular]" [i.e. not OT saints, nor Trib saints, nor MK saints])

The church is made up of believers in Christ.
OT saints, Trib saints etc… You added all these labels.

The Bible says..
And it was given unto him (beast) to make war with the saints and to overcome them; and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

These saints are believers, they are part of the body (church) and they are here during the tribulation.

What you are doing is calling them OT saints or Tribulation saints so you can separate them from the church.

The tribulation has started.
And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Who are the people on earth with the seal of God? I’m assuming they are not part of the church either.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The church is made up of believers in Christ.
OT saints, Trib saints etc… You added all these labels.

"The Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" did not exist prior to [what it states in John7:39] Christ's resurrection / ascension / exaltation, meaning, not prior to the "indwelling" of the Holy Spirit... Ephesians 1:20-23 ["WHEN [as to its existence]"]; ... and is elsewhere called "the purchased-possession [G4047]"... etc, etc...

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

but the implication of a church age does not fit in the chronological order of events that would consummate the end of the age.

Just a quick note on this point ^ :

the phrase "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" used in Matt24:3 (and which question to Jesus by the disciples, here, was BASED ON what He had ALREADY spoken to them about in Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50 regarding "the end [singular] of the age [singular]"--when the "angels" will "REAP") is not talking about "this present age [singular]"... but the one THEY were standing in and speaking out from (which doesn't "conclude," if you will, until His Second Coming to the earth Rev19; ...

IOW, the "WHEAT" harvest (Mt13) IS NOT US; There is more than one "harvest" in Scripture, as in nature)













[there are several different combinations of words wherein the word "age / ages" is used that do not all refer to the same thing: "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" and "the ends [plural] of the ages [plural]" and "the ages [plural] of the ages [plural]" etc etc... several others...]

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The tribulation has started.

I hope you mean, in the context of the following passage...

And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Who are the people on earth with the seal of God? I’m assuming they are not part of the church either.

The "144,000" -- "12,000" of each of the tribes of Israel named in the text (Rev7)... same persons being referred to in Rev14;

but in chpt 7 "the 144,000 servants of our God" (of ONE NATION--the tribes of ISRAEL) are set in contradistinction to the [numberless / uncountable] "a great multitude... of all the nationS" in 7:9-17... though both sets of these persons are on the earth in / during / within the Trib years;



It is "the 144,000" who will be sealed in the forehead" for protection during the aspect of it being spoken of in the text.

 

[07-07-07]

Revelation 22
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.

These churches are not in heaven. If they were, there would be no need to send a angel to testify to them.

The Churches were presented the prophecy of Revelation before all of the events unfold.

 

[Truthnightmare]

The Churches were presented the prophecy of Revelation before all of the events unfold.

Where was the church when they were presented these prophecies?

 

[Truthnightmare]

I hope you mean, in the context of the following passage...


The "144,000" -- "12,000" of each of the tribes of Israel named in the text (Rev7)... same persons being referred to in Rev14;

but in chpt 7 "the 144,000 servants of our God" (of ONE NATION--the tribes of ISRAEL) are set in contradistinction to the [numberless / uncountable] "a great multitude... of all the nationS" in 7:9-17... though both sets of these persons are on the earth in / during / within the Trib years;



It is "the 144,000" who will be sealed in the forehead" for protection during the aspect of it being spoken of in the text.

The 144,000 witnesses [Note, they are not referred to as 144,000 "witnesses" in Revelation 7, but there are 2 Witnesses in rev 11.] are not touched by the scorpions, while the rest of men are [Rev 7:3, ) The rest of the men includes all men, less those who received the seal of God…. I believe that the 144,000 are martyrs, and they are killed by the first beast (the NWO―i.e., men on this Earth) some time after being sealed in Revelation chapter seven (perhaps their sealing is at their last end); for, we see them in Heaven in (Rev 14:2-5), BEFORE the Second Advent. I arrive at this conclusion based on several chronological facts: They are sealed before the Locust Army arrives, thus are untouchable to the supernatural army of antichrist (the 'Locusts'); and they are in Heaven before the Second Advent. There is only one way to get to Heaven before the Second Advent--that is to die. And since the Locust Army can't kill them, but they were in fact killed, therefore―men killed them.]

 

[ewq1938]

The 144,000 witnesses [Note, they are not referred to as 144,000 "witnesses" in Revelation 7, but there are 2 Witnesses in rev 11.] are not touched by the scorpions, while the rest of men are [Rev 7:3, ) The rest of the men includes all men, less those who received the seal of God…. I believe that the 144,000 are martyrs, and they are killed by the first beast (the NWO―i.e., men on this Earth) some time after being sealed in Revelation chapter seven (perhaps their sealing is at their last end); for, we see them in Heaven in (Rev 14:2-5), BEFORE the Second Advent. I arrive at this conclusion based on several chronological facts: They are sealed before the Locust Army arrives, thus are untouchable to the supernatural army of antichrist (the 'Locusts'); and they are in Heaven before the Second Advent. There is only one way to get to Heaven before the Second Advent--that is to die. And since the Locust Army can't kill them, but they were in fact killed, therefore―men killed them.]

Or the 144k are part of those who are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord and are raptured (Harpazo in Greek).