where did another individual distinct from God existing before anything was created come from?
I am a Christian who does not accept or follow Christianity.
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where did another individual distinct from God existing before anything was created come from?
it's ok man. i only believe what i understand. i think in time you will see things in a more unique view. do you ask the Father, in Jesus Name, to have the Holy Spirit give you understanding before you read your Bible? try that and see if even things we're not discussing now change up for you in meaning.
in all versions of Zechariah 12:10 YHVH says it is He Himself Who was pierced by Israel.
John 17:5. That is how I know. Unless it is like Jesus being slain before the world was but Jesus dying at the right time such that it was not actually at or before the beginning that it happened, just for the future that it would.
I know that the following verse is different from the Greek, but I don't know Greek.
John 1:1 NASB20 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Zechariah 12:10 NASB20 - "And I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and of pleading, so that they will look at Me whom they pierced; and they will mourn for Him, like one mourning for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.
in all versions of Isaiah 43:11 YHWH declares that He alone is The Saviour and that there is absolutely no other Saviour but Himself.
in all versions of the NT Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone is declared to be the only Saviour and absolutely no other Saviour but Him.
YHWH is speaking.
He says "ME whom they pierced"
Zechariah 12:10 100% identifies Christ as God Himself, having become flesh and laying down His life for His obstinate, wicked bride.
I have read the Bible. Now I discuss it. I read sometimes. But I study with others. Kind of. Studying with you right now. I just accept what I read. If there is a difference I try not to make a doctrine out of it.
Isaiah 43:11 NASB20 - "I, [only] I, am the LORD, And there is no savior besides Me.
Zechariah 12:10 RSV - "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of compassion and supplication, so that, when they look on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a first-born.
So if Jesus is Emmanuel and Emmanuel means God with us, doesn't that make Jesus God?
Zechariah 12:10 RSV - "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of compassion and supplication, so that, when they look on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a first-born.
Zechariah 12:10 BBE - And I will send down on the family of David and on the people of Jerusalem the spirit of grace and of prayer; and their eyes will be turned to the one who was wounded by their hands: and they will be weeping for him as for an only son, and their grief for him will be bitter, like the grief of one sorrowing for his oldest son.
and this is what i have thought all along. and how you believe, caused me to think in different terms because normally someone who rejects Jesus, does it by being a Member of certain Churches. but you do it because you read the Bible, and this is what all those words mean to you. and you see no reason to change.
have you been filled with Holy Spirit and Water Baptized in a Church?
Abraham also said God would provide Himself a lamb.
Matthew 1:23
they shall call His name Immanuel,
which is translated, "God with us."
the Word is God and He pitched His tent among us. hence Immanuel.
