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Well,not really, it's God's Word against how you choose to live your life. Which you are totally free to do. Do you see how your comment is being manipulative? I have no reason to dislike a trans person, nor to stop them from living how they wish and have sex with whom they wish. But I do have reason to say God made male and female and therefore I cannot agree to call you a male when you are in fact a woman. Not to create pain for you, but because that is what the Word says. Do you see what I mean? I cannot agree with what God doesn't agree with, even if that upsets you.
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Hey you have free-will just like i have free-will.
At this point we can fight about imposing each-other's will or live our lives in peace by respecting each-other's will.
This basically means, you do what you want and i do what i want and somewhere along the lines we might understand each-other in case we need to help or learn more about each-other.
At this point we can fight about imposing each-other's will or live our lives in peace by respecting each-other's will.
This basically means, you do what you want and i do what i want and somewhere along the lines we might understand each-other in case we need to help or learn more about each-other.
I can't live as female, it's like touching a hot stove or being burned in fire. What say you? Give my life to Jesus again? Baptize a second time? There is but one baptism for the forgiveness of sins; How bad it would hurt me to live as female? Impossible and I would rather be separated from God in hell. Jesus tells Judus it was better if he had never been born. Proof that there is such a condition in my eyes[/QUOTE]
But you can live as a female there is no other way. You can put a mask on by hormones or surgery but it doesn't change who you are. It may fool others with $1000s of dollars and lots of surgery and even then most people can still see the female.
To say you would rather be in Hell is saying you really do not love God but you love your image of yourself over Him. Lgbt matters fall into sexual sin just like adultery or divorce.
Is that what you want? Hell or external separation? Eternal torment? This is not to scare you but the reality and gravity of our choice on Earth. One can not live in sin unrepentfully and say they are a Christian. We are at war with sin.
I believe that you are at war as we speak and so I must ask do you truly want to heal? Even if it means going down a difficult painful path?
But you can live as a female there is no other way. You can put a mask on by hormones or surgery but it doesn't change who you are. It may fool others with $1000s of dollars and lots of surgery and even then most people can still see the female.
To say you would rather be in Hell is saying you really do not love God but you love your image of yourself over Him. Lgbt matters fall into sexual sin just like adultery or divorce.
Is that what you want? Hell or external separation? Eternal torment? This is not to scare you but the reality and gravity of our choice on Earth. One can not live in sin unrepentfully and say they are a Christian. We are at war with sin.
I believe that you are at war as we speak and so I must ask do you truly want to heal? Even if it means going down a difficult painful path?
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But you can live as a female there is no other way. You can put a mask on by hormones or surgery but it doesn't change who you are. It may fool others with $1000s of dollars and lots of surgery and even then most people can still see the female.
To say you would rather be in Hell is saying you really do not love God but you love your image of yourself over Him. Lgbt matters fall into sexual sin just like adultery or divorce.
Is that what you want? Hell or external separation? Eternal torment? This is not to scare you but the reality and gravity of our choice on Earth. One can not live in sin unrepentfully and say they are a Christian. We are at war with sin.
I believe that you are at war as we speak and so I must ask do you truly want to heal? Even if it means going down a difficult painful path?[/QUOTE]
Okay so the problem is you think I can just go off and live as female. Does your chest hurt you mentally when it so much as moves? I'm already in hell in my mind, so what's an eternity when minutes feel like hours already. I'm facing actual pain. If it didn't hurt so bad I wouldn't chase God down with this issue in these unsupportive forums.
Just because you come to this forum doesn't mean your life is centered around God. Anyone can register, not just Christians.
Never mind your pain. You just want us to feel sorry for you and go along with you wanting to be a male. Not once are you wanting to please God by just accepting His choice of gender for you.
You need to repent of Satan twisting your mind to wanting to be male when you are female. If you submit to the Holy Spirit, you WILL start desiring to be what He wants you to be: female.
That's how Christians overcome sin in their lives. I ought to know - I was in deep rebellion against God at one time and had a crisis of faith from which He delivered me by helping me to fully submit to His Holy Spirit. He really did change me to be live according to His will and His ways. That's why He died for us so that not only are we forgiven of sins, but that we live and think and feels as He does through His Holy Spirit.
But you aren't doing that at all.
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Psychological pain is very real but obviously your are not being hurt by something physical which means over time you have associated pain with the words she, her, female, etc. You have programmed pain to the response of hearing those triggers.
I did the same with medical facilities and anxiety. Even the thought would cause fear, physical sickness, etc.
You have told yourself the lie for so long that you only see your body as something of humiliation. That is like a skinny person thinking they are way over weight so they make themselves throw up. It is dangerous to be where you are and you know that. In reality, how you are is nothing to be humiliated over because it is based in identity. We can not choose gender just as much as I can not choose to be a moose.
I did the same with medical facilities and anxiety. Even the thought would cause fear, physical sickness, etc.
You have told yourself the lie for so long that you only see your body as something of humiliation. That is like a skinny person thinking they are way over weight so they make themselves throw up. It is dangerous to be where you are and you know that. In reality, how you are is nothing to be humiliated over because it is based in identity. We can not choose gender just as much as I can not choose to be a moose.
Okay so the problem is you think I can just go off and live as female. Does your chest hurt you mentally when it so much as moves? I'm already in hell in my mind, so what's an eternity when minutes feel like hours already. I'm facing actual pain. If it didn't hurt so bad I wouldn't chase God down with this issue in these unsupportive forums.[/QUOTE]
I do not think you can, I know. I have know people to do it. I'm not saying you can easily do it right now, I'm saying with healing you can.
Unsupportive? We are trying to help from a Biblical response. If we were in person it would be the same words but you would see it in a loving caring way. Do not think we do not care.
I do not think you can, I know. I have know people to do it. I'm not saying you can easily do it right now, I'm saying with healing you can.
Unsupportive? We are trying to help from a Biblical response. If we were in person it would be the same words but you would see it in a loving caring way. Do not think we do not care.
Hi Greyfray, and welcome to you!!! My observation is that you use the word 'hate' a lot and hate is the opposite of love. You shouldn't be saying you hate yourself, that alone speaks of the enemy who wants us all to go down w/him. Erase the deceit of hate in your mind and take advantage of the person GOD made you. My nephew has had feminine urges since he was little and my sister, who I love but is an enabler, would not at the get go, stop him and explain who he really is. He is coming around as I send him Scriptures and am quite frank w/him, why?, because I love him. The enemy of our souls invades our thoughts and if not stopped will take over more & more territory.
I know it's a battle, but the only way we win is by trusting and obeying the Lord. Our lives are short here and our mission is NOT to give in to deceit but to renew our minds daily, in obedience to GOD. Turn off all thoughts of 'hating your body' they're not from God, but the one who tempted mankind from the beginning.
I'll be praying for you and for God to bless you with the Holy Spirit who comes from a loving eternal wise God🙏✨❤ (before you say you'd rather be in hell again, watch the short video by Bill Weise '23 Minutes in Hell' there's maggots, tormenting creatures and no way out)
I know it's a battle, but the only way we win is by trusting and obeying the Lord. Our lives are short here and our mission is NOT to give in to deceit but to renew our minds daily, in obedience to GOD. Turn off all thoughts of 'hating your body' they're not from God, but the one who tempted mankind from the beginning.
I'll be praying for you and for God to bless you with the Holy Spirit who comes from a loving eternal wise God🙏✨❤ (before you say you'd rather be in hell again, watch the short video by Bill Weise '23 Minutes in Hell' there's maggots, tormenting creatures and no way out)
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Let me rephrase. If I didn't center my life around God, why would I be venting about him? Shouldn't I be off playing video games ignoring God altogether, considering my pain is real and valid? Why try with God at all if I hate him? Yet here.I.am. "nevermind your pain" lol yeah thought so, don't know what to do with my pain do you? Other than say it's not real or I just want pity. It couldn't be that my mind screams inside when I go to reach for something and my chest moves and there I am, tortured, standing there in my pool of blood gazing up to the God that suppose to be love wondering why on earth he would allow me to be born
Perhaps I was too blunt.
I am very imperfect.
To claim I'm perfect would be as equally untenable as claiming I'm a woman... both claims would be logically unsound.
Something More Gentle:
Here is an interview on this topic, with Dr. Douglas Groothuis, a very fine Christian philosopher.
He's a well-known scholar, and probably much gentler than I am.
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I do not think you can, I know. I have know people to do it. I'm not saying you can easily do it right now, I'm saying with healing you can.
Unsupportive? We are trying to help from a Biblical response. If we were in person it would be the same words but you would see it in a loving caring way. Do not think we do not care.[/QUOTE]
Just because you have "seen people do it" means their situation was mine. Unsupportive in the sense that you all are not an lgbt church, in fact you would call that leading away from God. I've been knowingly transgender for 11 years, Christian for five, you would think God would have done something by now, before trying to kill myself 5 or more times from being called girl. I get nightmares about my hair being to long, when I reach for something I scream inside because my chest moved... "healing" right. When science says transitioning leads to favorable outcome for a very large percentage of transgender people who start testosterone, surgery ect. then I'm going to see the mercy of God. It's not that I'd rather be happy then to serve God. I just cannot take the pain and everyone wishes that minor detail would just go away but yet here I am, complaining in all my bitterness because my pain is real.
Unsupportive? We are trying to help from a Biblical response. If we were in person it would be the same words but you would see it in a loving caring way. Do not think we do not care.[/QUOTE]
Just because you have "seen people do it" means their situation was mine. Unsupportive in the sense that you all are not an lgbt church, in fact you would call that leading away from God. I've been knowingly transgender for 11 years, Christian for five, you would think God would have done something by now, before trying to kill myself 5 or more times from being called girl. I get nightmares about my hair being to long, when I reach for something I scream inside because my chest moved... "healing" right. When science says transitioning leads to favorable outcome for a very large percentage of transgender people who start testosterone, surgery ect. then I'm going to see the mercy of God. It's not that I'd rather be happy then to serve God. I just cannot take the pain and everyone wishes that minor detail would just go away but yet here I am, complaining in all my bitterness because my pain is real.
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My thoughts for what they're worth:
Consider that God may have more healing in store for you even though much has already taken place. I had an experience recently in a ministry training class where a senior citizen who thought she'd done the healing got blindsided by God who had some more healing to do of long ago childhood issues.
You haven't mentioned how old you are and it makes a difference in how we view this conversation if you're 15 and in the throes of puberty or 35 and all mentally grown up. Heck at 12-15 I found breasts an annoyance and if someone was offering to chop them off it might have seemed like a quick fix, but I got used to them and have learned to live with them.
So far if I'm tracking the conversation correctly, your main argument is that you can't stand the thought of being a girl or being seen as a girl so you must be a boy. Did I summarize that correctly? I almost get the impression of a sustained shriek when you type about your feelings on the subject. And most of us can't understand why because we wouldn't have nearly as strong of a reaction to someone getting our sex wrong. I'd suspect that you see at least part of your childhood trauma and neglect as being tied to your female form, but that's something to work through with a good counselor. I'll pray you find one who helps you sort through everything and get to a place where you feel hopeful about the future God has for you.
Consider that God may have more healing in store for you even though much has already taken place. I had an experience recently in a ministry training class where a senior citizen who thought she'd done the healing got blindsided by God who had some more healing to do of long ago childhood issues.
You haven't mentioned how old you are and it makes a difference in how we view this conversation if you're 15 and in the throes of puberty or 35 and all mentally grown up. Heck at 12-15 I found breasts an annoyance and if someone was offering to chop them off it might have seemed like a quick fix, but I got used to them and have learned to live with them.
So far if I'm tracking the conversation correctly, your main argument is that you can't stand the thought of being a girl or being seen as a girl so you must be a boy. Did I summarize that correctly? I almost get the impression of a sustained shriek when you type about your feelings on the subject. And most of us can't understand why because we wouldn't have nearly as strong of a reaction to someone getting our sex wrong. I'd suspect that you see at least part of your childhood trauma and neglect as being tied to your female form, but that's something to work through with a good counselor. I'll pray you find one who helps you sort through everything and get to a place where you feel hopeful about the future God has for you.
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Just because you have "seen people do it" means their situation was mine. Unsupportive in the sense that you all are not an lgbt church, in fact you would call that leading away from God. I've been knowingly transgender for 11 years, Christian for five, you would think God would have done something by now, before trying to kill myself 5 or more times from being called girl. I get nightmares about my hair being to long, when I reach for something I scream inside because my chest moved... "healing" right. When science says transitioning leads to favorable outcome for a very large percentage of transgender people who start testosterone, surgery ect. then I'm going to see the mercy of God. It's not that I'd rather be happy then to serve God. I just cannot take the pain and everyone wishes that minor detail would just go away but yet here I am, complaining in all my bitterness because my pain is real.[/QUOTE]
Oh well sure a Bible believing Christian church would never say LGBT matters are not sinful just as they wouldn't promote adultery or murder.
Obviously, I can hear you are in pain. It isn't minor or unimportant. But I can honestly say do your counter research to the science you claim to adhere to. Look into the many people who have de-transitioned. It is sad that these people are treated as if they are nothing or treasonous betrayers of the LGBT movement.
I beg you to really do your homework because the testimonies are now coming out by 1000s of a generation that surgery and hormones had been used on them from childhood.
I get not every story is the same but they all demand the same response. Truth. Truth brings healing. You are getting truth but you have to first accept it.
There is no easy answer. Sometimes healing takes months to years. But over time as you learn how your brain associates pain with the triggers then you can begin to counter the brain's response.
It is in the brain not just because your body parts moved. You only associated pain with it. In less, of course you need a health check up to make sure it isn't something like breast cancer. But it sounds like it us psychological.
Again this doesn't mean it isn't any less real or painful.
Oh well sure a Bible believing Christian church would never say LGBT matters are not sinful just as they wouldn't promote adultery or murder.
Obviously, I can hear you are in pain. It isn't minor or unimportant. But I can honestly say do your counter research to the science you claim to adhere to. Look into the many people who have de-transitioned. It is sad that these people are treated as if they are nothing or treasonous betrayers of the LGBT movement.
I beg you to really do your homework because the testimonies are now coming out by 1000s of a generation that surgery and hormones had been used on them from childhood.
I get not every story is the same but they all demand the same response. Truth. Truth brings healing. You are getting truth but you have to first accept it.
There is no easy answer. Sometimes healing takes months to years. But over time as you learn how your brain associates pain with the triggers then you can begin to counter the brain's response.
It is in the brain not just because your body parts moved. You only associated pain with it. In less, of course you need a health check up to make sure it isn't something like breast cancer. But it sounds like it us psychological.
Again this doesn't mean it isn't any less real or painful.
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Oh, now you're bleeding?
Your mind is unstable because you haven't given it to the Lord. God is actually a stabilizing factor. Your posts just screams "I have not given myself fully over to the Lord. but please feel sorry for me and let me get what I want instead of seeking the Lord's will. Because it's all about me and not God!" Hence why I don't feel the least bit sorry for you.
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Are you aware that there are people who feel this way about having too many limbs? If you are aware, do you think a doctor should be allowed to handicap a person because they feel this way?! I saw a lady on tv years ago who said the exact same thing you have about her sight. She tried to blind herself because she didn't want to see anymore. Do you think a doctor should be allowed to blind a person because they feel they don't want to see?
There are people who have cancer, my mother has gone through chemo and radiation treatments, endless needles. I have gone for her to have scans every 3 months where she has to lay still for 45 mins. then she has to go to her gynecologist to see if the scan is cancer free. Because of the radiation she has has fractures in her back where walking was excruciating pain. She had to use a walker to move at all. She couldn't get into a bath and I had to bathe her using a bucket of water.
In Aug. my husband and I took her to FL with us. The past two times she went, she had to use a walker, then a cane,she couldn't walk on sand at all. This year she took my hand and we walked to the water. I have a picture of her standing in the ocean, it took her three years to make it to the water. I stood there and cried knowing all she went through to get to that point. While people we laughing, swimming and playing around us, she was standing there after three years of trying.
I have sat and watched cancer patients pass me as I waited for my mother to come back from her scan. I have sat during the COVID pandemic and watch cancer patients passing by me. People of every age, every sex, every walk of life. I have seen pain, yes horror, and challenges, yes.
I say all that to say this, a lot of life is about perception, and sometimes we need to look beyond ourselves to see how blessed we are, how grateful we should be.
You comment was "I will not consent, or was it conform, either way your point was you will not give in to what God wills for your life. And this brought my comment about creating your own misery. We never win fighting against God.
There are people who have cancer, my mother has gone through chemo and radiation treatments, endless needles. I have gone for her to have scans every 3 months where she has to lay still for 45 mins. then she has to go to her gynecologist to see if the scan is cancer free. Because of the radiation she has has fractures in her back where walking was excruciating pain. She had to use a walker to move at all. She couldn't get into a bath and I had to bathe her using a bucket of water.
In Aug. my husband and I took her to FL with us. The past two times she went, she had to use a walker, then a cane,she couldn't walk on sand at all. This year she took my hand and we walked to the water. I have a picture of her standing in the ocean, it took her three years to make it to the water. I stood there and cried knowing all she went through to get to that point. While people we laughing, swimming and playing around us, she was standing there after three years of trying.
I have sat and watched cancer patients pass me as I waited for my mother to come back from her scan. I have sat during the COVID pandemic and watch cancer patients passing by me. People of every age, every sex, every walk of life. I have seen pain, yes horror, and challenges, yes.
I say all that to say this, a lot of life is about perception, and sometimes we need to look beyond ourselves to see how blessed we are, how grateful we should be.
You comment was "I will not consent, or was it conform, either way your point was you will not give in to what God wills for your life. And this brought my comment about creating your own misery. We never win fighting against God.
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