Transgender pain

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Nehemiah6

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For example, being called girl. It hurts me to be called girl she ect.
If you are a girl biologically, then that is the truth. Not the propaganda of the LGBTQ activists. There are only two genders created by God -- male and female. They are quite distinct anatomically and also psychologically.
 

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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I'm trying to understand how your words are any different than what others have said except they could say it without being rude.

You act like no one else has said what you have said.

We should have pity for the lost, broken hearted and those in suffering. That doesn't mean we have to tolerate or accept sin. Literally no Christian here is accepting transgender as not sinful.

Except I don't think she really wants help (look at all her responses - no repentance). I think she's a fake that wants us to say "Okay, if it is really so painful for you, then you should become male." It's a tactic the LGBTQ+ does - set up a situation where people have to sympathize with their way. If you don't see that, then you're naïve.

I've lost patience with that group and how they periodically keep trying to push their narrative on here. If you don't like how I phrase things, then put me on ignore. I won't care.


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Cameron143

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Reading through many of the posts, a couple of things seems obvious to me:

1. There is way more going on here than can be helped to any real degree on this thread. There are some deep-seated problems and professional help is necessary unless God does a miracle. A Christian counselor familiar with these issues would be most helpful.

2. Oftentimes, situations are made worse, not better, by well-intentioned people. Certainly a combination of love and truth are necessary for healing, but the misapplication of the two can easily exacerbate the problem. Discernment is necessary to know which and in what order and degree they should be applied.

Having shared this, it's ok to just say...I'm praying for you...to an individual. And if you aren't sure whether to make use of love or truth, the one that never fails is love.
 

maxwel

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Look

Look at how happy you responded with how much pain I'm in. Credibility zero

Credibility:

Rather than humbly asking for prayer, or humbly asking for christian counseling, you've been on a Christian forum AGGRESSIVELY ARGUING AGAINST THE CHRISTIANS, to WIN your argument for non-Christian views...
that's not the behavior of someone seeking help.
Credibility Zero.



Your very first post was aggressive, demanding, and argumentative.
I'm not handing you a victim card when you gaslighting me with imaginary guilt.

Use that on someone else.


I'm sorry, but I don't see someone sincerely seeking prayer, or sincerely seeking help... I see someone, from their very first post, being argumentative, demanding, and aggressive.
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2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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Reading through many of the posts, a couple of things seems obvious to me:

1. There is way more going on here than can be helped to any real degree on this thread. There are some deep-seated problems and professional help is necessary unless God does a miracle. A Christian counselor familiar with these issues would be most helpful.

2. Oftentimes, situations are made worse, not better, by well-intentioned people. Certainly a combination of love and truth are necessary for healing, but the misapplication of the two can easily exacerbate the problem. Discernment is necessary to know which and in what order and degree they should be applied.

Having shared this, it's ok to just say...I'm praying for you...to an individual. And if you have to aren't sure whether to make use of love or truth, the one that never fails is love.

Honestly, I'm tired of holding back what I really feel. I don't like how the LGBTQ+ are corrupting the church. There are already gay pastors and in other positions of leadership in some of the churches. And they're telling KIDS that you don't have to be the gender you're born with and encourage them at the earliest ages.

And it seems even here, we're shamed to not speak out against it and not be allowed to be angry that this happening. So at this point, I don't care what anyone says anymore. I think a lot of the politeness is also virtue signaling: "Look at me! I can be cool about LGBTQ+ issues!" But I don't think you guys realize that the LGBTQ+ are counting on you to be polite and will try to shame you (as she tried with me) if you're upfront about their sin.


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oyster67

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If you don't believe a transgender male is a valid male please don't comment I'm in pain and don't want my time wasted

I have been a Christian for 5 years been tortured by transgender pain since 5.
I hate God for ever being born. I love God for loving me while I curse him anyway.

I'm looking for prayers, if this was a right to die state I'd be in heaven with the Almighty God, Jesus, who will take away my tears.

I'm about to undergo 12 weeks of therapy in which I hope to convince my therapist that I have no quality of life, I'm so sickened by my female lie of a body. I want the therapist to then listen to my agony between being transgender and my hatred towards God for it
Welcome, dear brother. I love you and I'm so glad that you know Jesus loves you.

This life is so very short. Just enough time to get things right with our maker. That is all that matters. We will get brand new perfect bodies shortly if we follow His plan. I will be your friend in this messed up and confusing world. Just trust that Jesus knows what kinds of situations can draw us closer to Him. We all need Him but some are too proud or overprivileged to know it. We don't want to be on that train.

God bless you and Godspeed dear friend and brother. (y):coffee:

Matthew 5:5
“Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.”
 

Cameron143

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Honestly, I'm tired of holding back what I really feel. I don't like how the LGBTQ+ are corrupting the church. There are already gay pastors and in other positions of leadership in some of the churches. And they're telling KIDS that you don't have to be the gender you're born with and encourage them at the earliest ages.

And it seems even here, we're shamed to not speak out against it and not be allowed to be angry that this happening. So at this point, I don't care what anyone says anymore. I think a lot of the politeness is also virtue signaling: "Look at me! I can be cool about LGBTQ+ issues!" But I don't think you guys realize that the LGBTQ+ are counting on you to be polite and will try to shame you (as she tried with me) if you're upfront about their sin.


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I don't think very many people here hold back much of anything. But I do think your anger is misdirected. We wrestle not against flesh and blood. Neither this individual, or any LGBTQ+ advocate are the real problem. The problem is spiritual. So, then, is the cure. Anger is only righteous when it addresses the real problem and is in defense of God.
I share your disdain for the perversion of the image of God in mankind. But God, in an instant, could destroy all the works of Satan. What if this individual's sin was lying? Would you be so outraged?
 

maxwel

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I don't think very many people here hold back much of anything. But I do think your anger is misdirected. We wrestle not against flesh and blood. Neither this individual, or any LGBTQ+ advocate are the real problem. The problem is spiritual. So, then, is the cure. Anger is only righteous when it addresses the real problem and is in defense of God.
I share your disdain for the perversion of the image of God in mankind. But God, in an instant, could destroy all the works of Satan. What if this individual's sin was lying? Would you be so outraged?

"if this individual's sin was lying? Would you be so outraged?"

I would be upset if they were ADVOCATING for the VIRTUE OF LYING.
That would be a clear problem.
That is what the LGBT community generally does.

Struggling with a sin, and wanting help, is one thing.
Advocating for a sin... that's another thing entirely.

That's all there is to it.

God Bless.

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seekingthemindofChrist

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Hey there; so I was raised by grandparents because there was only one can of food in the house so dcf was called and I became adopted by my grandparents.

If you're looking for anti trans arguments, (I'm just defensive) here's some gold you can try and make value out of but it doesn't explain why I get freaked out every time my chest moves as it should be flat. Or why I was screaming in dresses before this happened.

To me, this is piss icing on a poop cake. Can I cuss in here? Idk better not lol.

My biological father didn't want to play with me because according to my grandmother, I was a girl. There was a pedophile my mom had dated but they lie detected my dad, I guess he got scared. So he wouldn't play with me. My grandfather was a good guy, he just didn't care that I screamed in dresses or rather didn't want to confront anyone with anything ever.

To this day yes I still have dad issues, I borrow Johnny 3 Tears from Hollywood Undead as like psychoanalytic transference in which I borrow him as a dad but consciously am aware that he doesn't know me or anything.

Again I had problems with dresses before my dad discarded me or whatever
I am sorry, but I was posting from work earlier today, so I did not have a lot of time to really read your responses.

You mentioned your Dad, and your Mom and her pedophile boyfriend. Is it safe to assume that your parents split when you were a child? If so, then which parent were you living with before you got adopted by your grandparents? I am just trying to put some pieces together in my mind.

Thank you.
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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I was emotionally neglected and gaslighted as a kid, became a person who did that to people, then God healed me so I know what to watch for to make sure the person in conflict with me always feels restored or heard out completely if I can help it
Were you emotionally neglected by both of your parents? Again, I am curious to know if your parents split when you were a child, and which parent you were living with before going to live with your grandparents.
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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Wanted to address a few of your points. I've tried to kill myself 5 or more times because someone had called me a she or her. When this goes on, I feel uncontrollable pain. You being a woman, what do you know of loss of masculinity that you would die over? I was supposed to be a brother! A son, and I am but ive been stripped of my proof except my pain like touching a hot stove or fire if I were to even remotely entertain the idea of living as female. What challenges do you face as your gender? Do you scream inside when your body isn't built to piss standing up? Do you gasp in horror when your chest moves? No? Do you feel nothing but shame and humiliation to be called girl? Are you repulsed by anything feminine? Now tell me I create my own misery
Hi, again.

I know, of a certainty, that God did not make a mistake when he created you the way that he created you.

However, I also agree that you did not create your own misery, but this does not mean that God did.

I am convinced that something happened in your early childhood that caused you to feel repulsed at being a female. I am not saying this in any sort of judgmental way, but rather out of compassion for you. I am hoping that you will relate to me what happened prior to you being 5 years old because there is something important in there somewhere.
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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Well I have to live my life not touching a furnace. Nobody cares to answer what to do about the actual pain that is felt when called she her woman ect it's not normal to feel humiliation from my body either. Something is going on
Something is definitely going on. I do not think that you are lying about your feelings at all, but, again, God did not make a mistake by creating you the way that he did. Something must have triggered these deep feelings inside of you as a child. I am hoping that you will continue to share with me things from your youth because something went wrong somewhere. Again, I am not saying these things to judge you. I am actually trying to help you, and I have been praying for you.
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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Okay so the problem is you think I can just go off and live as female. Does your chest hurt you mentally when it so much as moves? I'm already in hell in my mind, so what's an eternity when minutes feel like hours already. I'm facing actual pain. If it didn't hurt so bad I wouldn't chase God down with this issue in these unsupportive forums.
Define "unsupportive".

I cannot speak for anybody else here, but I am truly trying to help you. I do believe that you are hurting, but that hurt had a starting point, and it was not when God made you as a female. Something must have happened in your early childhood. Was there something that made you feel that you would cope better as a male? Perhaps because other males in your life failed you when you needed them?

I am just asking.
 

Cameron143

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"if this individual's sin was lying? Would you be so outraged?"

I would be upset if they were ADVOCATING for the VIRTUE OF LYING.
That would be a clear problem.
That is what the LGBT community generally does.

Struggling with a sin, and wanting help, is one thing.
Advocating for a sin... that's another thing entirely.

That's all there is to it.

God Bless.

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It's not unusual for people to make allowance for their sin. But why the upset? For their sake? That's admirable. But just being upset? What purpose does this serve? I think people should share truth. I don't think we should be invested in whether it takes hold or not. We plant and water. God is responsible for results. God's word always meets with its intended results. Acceptance of God's word, then, isn't always God's goal. Some things are hard to hear and some truths will never be accepted. But I do believe our manner of delivering truth may give us future opportunities to share or possibly severely limit our ability to do so.
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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Repent and God will heal you. Simple as that.


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It is not as simple as that.

True, God made her correctly, but there is obviously some genuine issue that is troubling her. You being so harsh is not helping a bit. In fact, you need to repent for being such an inhuman being.
 

maxwel

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It's not unusual for people to make allowance for their sin. But why the upset? For their sake? That's admirable. But just being upset? What purpose does this serve? I think people should share truth. I don't think we should be invested in whether it takes hold or not. We plant and water. God is responsible for results. God's word always meets with its intended results. Acceptance of God's word, then, isn't always God's goal. Some things are hard to hear and some truths will never be accepted. But I do believe our manner of delivering truth may give us future opportunities to share or possibly severely limit our ability to do so.
We'd have to define how I'm using the word "upset."

The way I was using it, I just meant I'm unhappy about it.
I'm unhappy when I see people call evil good, and call sin virtuous.
I'm not enraged - who has time for that anyway, the culture is knee-deep in madness.
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But I'm certainly unhappy when people call evil good, and call good evil.

Aren't all Christians unhappy when they see that?


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Eli1

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This is usually what happens with text-based communications when you can't even see somone's body language.

Assuming she's genuine and If they want prayers, then they got prayers because suffering is something that everyone is dealing with.

But if you're asking me to put a Fork into my eyes because i see a Female who wants to be called Male ... i can't do that.
Respect each-other's free-will. It's as simple as that.

If you want to call yourself an elephant that's fine with me, just don't impose your language and mindset on me.
 

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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It is not as simple as that.

True, God made her correctly, but there is obviously some genuine issue that is troubling her. You being so harsh is not helping a bit. In fact, you need to repent for being such an inhuman being.

You don't like what I wrote then put me on ignore. I won't care. She's playing you for a fool.


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2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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I don't think very many people here hold back much of anything. But I do think your anger is misdirected. We wrestle not against flesh and blood. Neither this individual, or any LGBTQ+ advocate are the real problem. The problem is spiritual. So, then, is the cure. Anger is only righteous when it addresses the real problem and is in defense of God.
I share your disdain for the perversion of the image of God in mankind. But God, in an instant, could destroy all the works of Satan. What if this individual's sin was lying? Would you be so outraged?

I'm also tired of you pontificating all over the place like you're everyone's mentor, but you're not. Especially not mine.


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