Under Law or Under Grace

[JacobMartinMertens]

How can a "principle" be insulted (or "enraged", as other translations render it)?

It simply means going against God's grace.

 

[romans113336]

I don't remember rejecting anything that you have said. Just not understanding it.

You said:

I don't follow that. I don't believe that.

No, I am not.

You said:

I don't know what this means.

You were using me to instruct people about Jews. But, I am not a Jew.

No, I referred to the "Torah observant", how obstinate they are, and how even when they have no excuse for rejecting truth, they will reject truth. That's what you're doing--and you admitted that you used to be "Torah observant".

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

You said:

I have no problem admitting these things. I have a weakness in that. Please don't trample on me.

 

[romans113336]

It simply means going against God's grace.

1. It says "Spirit of Grace", under Whose charge Christians are (ie, "under Grace").

2. You have to torture the text to make it not say what it clearly says--it doesn't say "principle", it says "Spirit".

 

[romans113336]

I have no problem admitting these things. I have a weakness in that. Please don't trample on me.

Right, I'm taking you at your word, and I'm responding to you.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

1. It says "Spirit of Grace", under Whose charge Christians are (ie, "under Grace").

The context for these statements is different.

2. You have to torture the text to make it not say what it clearly says--it doesn't say "principle", it says "Spirit".

It says spirit, not Spirit.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

Right, I'm taking you at your word, and I'm responding to you.

Okay.

 

[romans113336]

The context for these statements is different.

It says spirit, not Spirit.

Again, you have to deny the obvious--ie, that "not under Law but under Grace" and "serve not in the oldness of the letter but in the newness of the Spirit" directly correspond--to uphold your view.

I invite you to believe God, but everyone can see you're not interested.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

Again, you have to deny the obvious--ie, that "not under Law but under Grace" and "serve not in the oldness of the letter but in the newness of the Spirit" directly correspond--to uphold your view.

I agree with these statements that you have in quotes, but I do not know what my view is that you are referring to.

I invite you to believe God, but everyone can see you're not interested.

I do believe God.

 

[romans113336]

It says spirit, not Spirit.

LOL Whether it is capitalized or not depends on the translation

If you want to believe it's referring to God's Spirit, find a translation that uses the Capital "S", and you're fixed right up! LOL

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

LOL Whether it is capitalized or not depends on the translation

If you want to believe it's referring to God's Spirit, find a translation that uses the Capital "S", and you're fixed right up! LOL

I don't believe that it is referring to God's Spirit so no problem.

 

[romans113336]

I agree with these statements that you have in quotes, but I do not know what my view is that you are referring to.

You're denying that "under Law" and "under Grace" refer to methods of service, but Paul, right after using that phrase, says, "you serve not in oldness of the Letter [ie, the Law], but newness of the Spirit [ie, Grace]".

 

[romans113336]

I don't believe that it is referring to God's Spirit so no problem.

I don't believe that you don't believe it is referring to God's Spirit. I think you know, very well, that it does, and you just want to be obstinate.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

You're denying that "under Law" and "under Grace" refer to methods of service, but Paul, right after using that phrase, says, "you serve not in oldness of the Letter [ie, the Law], but newness of the Spirit [ie, Grace]".

I don't know if this is spirit or Spirit.

I don't believe in methods of service.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

I don't believe that you don't believe it is referring to God's Spirit. I think you know, very well, that it does, and you just want to be obstinate.

grace is different from God

 

[romans113336]

I don't know if this is spirit or Spirit.

I don't believe in methods of service.

How did the Gentiles qualify as "doers of the Law" without even knowing the Law (Ro 2:14)?

Answer:
The Spirit wrote the Law of God on their heart.
That is to say, they were serving in the newness of the Spirit.
They were not serving in the oldness of the letter.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

How did the Gentiles qualify as "doers of the Law" without even knowing the Law (Ro 2:14)?

Answer:
The Spirit wrote the Law of God on their heart.
That is to say, they were serving in the newness of the Spirit.
They were not serving in the oldness of the letter.

No. They did not know God or His Spirit. Nor did they know of the old covenant.

 

[romans113336]

grace is different from God

The Spirit is called by many names--"the Spirit of Faith", "the Spirit of Grace", "the Spirit of Truth".

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

The Spirit is called by many names--"the Spirit of Faith", "the Spirit of Grace", "the Spirit of Truth".

These are not The Spirit.

 

[romans113336]

No. They did not know God or His Spirit. Nor did they know of the old covenant.

The Gentiles in Romans 2, it says, were "doers of the Law".
It explicitly teaches that the Spirit wrote God's Law on their hearts.
It explicitly states they were keeping God's statutes (vv26,27).