In heaven we will have a body of flesh and blood. Very interesting because angels can take on human form

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

JohnB

Well-known member
Jul 31, 2022
2,078
456
83
Calif
#21
Well the thing about that John is that a body of flesh and blood cannot go through walls so again it’s one of those mysteries that will be revealed in time.
If I were to be able to explain this in a technical manner it would involve dimensions.
A 2 dimensional being cannot see the world like a 3 dimensional being and a 3 dimensional being cannot see the wold like 4-5-6 or 7 dimensional being.
So when we get to higher dimensions it will be revealed.
According to the story about Jesus, a body of flesh and bone can go through walls. Jesus appeared suddenly in the room.
I find many Christians have preconceived ideas on heaven, our bodies in heaven, what we'll be able to do. I talked to one Christian friend who kept repeating, we'll worship Jesus, we'll worship Jesus, we'll worship Jesus....mention about our body, eating, drinking, working....he just repeats, we'll worship Jesus.
 

Mem

Senior Member
Sep 23, 2014
7,125
2,156
113
#22
Well the thing about that John is that a body of flesh and blood cannot go through walls so again it’s one of those mysteries that will be revealed in time.
If I were to be able to explain this in a technical manner it would involve dimensions.
A 2 dimensional being cannot see the world like a 3 dimensional being and a 3 dimensional being cannot see the wold like 4-5-6 or 7 dimensional being.
So when we get to higher dimensions it will be revealed.
There must be something particularly peculiar that Jesus said, "flesh and bone" rather than "flesh and blood" especially considering the significance that His blood is "poured out" for us and, I suppose, remains as a witness just as Abel's blood "cries out."
So, since a flesh and blood body cannot go through walls because "the life is in the blood," then perhaps the flesh had to remain 'intact' in order to contain the blood for life so thus the reason why it cannot "navigate?" through a wall. But flesh and bone, whose life is in the Spirit, which no longer has to be sustained by blood... hmmm.
 

JohnB

Well-known member
Jul 31, 2022
2,078
456
83
Calif
#23
There must be something particularly peculiar that Jesus said, "flesh and bone" rather than "flesh and blood" especially considering the significance that His blood is "poured out" for us and, I suppose, remains as a witness just as Abel's blood "cries out."
So, since a flesh and blood body cannot go through walls because "the life is in the blood," then perhaps the flesh had to remain 'intact' in order to contain the blood for life so thus the reason why it cannot "navigate?" through a wall. But flesh and bone, whose life is in the Spirit, which no longer has to be sustained by blood... hmmm.
Jesus said "flesh and bone", not "flesh and blood".....my mistake
 

JohnB

Well-known member
Jul 31, 2022
2,078
456
83
Calif
#24
"Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see—for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.” Luke 24:39.
In Genesis 6 angels had bodies of flesh and blood. Like Jesus, they can take human form.
I meant "flesh and bone"
 

Mem

Senior Member
Sep 23, 2014
7,125
2,156
113
#25
I meant "flesh and bone"
Ok, now that we have straighten that out we can now discuss genesis 6' angels' taking on the form of man.
Jesus is born man, via the human, Mary. How did angels take human form?
 

JohnB

Well-known member
Jul 31, 2022
2,078
456
83
Calif
#26
Ok, now that we have straighten that out we can now discuss genesis 6' angels' taking on the form of man.
Jesus is born man, via the human, Mary. How did angels take human form?
"Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. " Hebrews 13:2
 

Mem

Senior Member
Sep 23, 2014
7,125
2,156
113
#27
I searched the verses in genesis where the word angel, malak, occurs and the lion's share of them are in reference to the LORD.
Notice even in Jacob's blessing upon Joseph's two sons
Genesis 48

15Then he blessed Joseph and said:

“May the God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked,

the God who has been my shepherd all my life to this day,

16the angelc who has redeemed me from all harm—

may He bless these boys.

16 c Or Angel

And notice what God said in the Genesis 6 verse implied in the OP that allegedly calls angels 'sons of God' that saw that the daughters of men were beautiful took wives whomever they chose.

3So the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever,a for he is mortal; his days shall be 120 years.”

3 a LXX and Syriac My Spirit will not remain in man forever

I know that Genesis records the descendants of Adam and how long they lived, but I'm wondering here. IS there any account that anyone died apart from Abel, whose life is cut short by Cain, up to this point? Is this the actual moment God's judgment that "ye shall surely die" is officially rendered?

Going by this chart, it seems that everyone was alive up to Noah's time. Enoch "did not see death" and this chart shows Adam dying after Noah has been born, by 50 or so years? And the chart shows most of those listed before his birth dying before the flood, but how long did it take Noah to actually build the ark from the time of God's pronouncement?

 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,728
13,522
113
#28
I am redeemed my sin debt was paid on the cross past, present, and future sins. I am sealed until the day of redemption. I am a born again Christian.

Romans 8:20-24​
For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected [it] in hope; because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. Not only [that,] but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees?
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,728
13,522
113
#29
Well the thing about that John is that a body of flesh and blood cannot go through walls
there's no physical law broken by that. atoms are 99.999% empty space. it's just incredibly improbable.

Jesus appearing in the upper room doesn't show He is immaterial; it shows He has complete mastery over creation - and He immediately proved to them that He was real flesh, not a spirit, when they were shocked and in unbelief.

He walked right through people before His resurrection. it's not a new superpower He gained after He rose.
 

John146

Senior Member
Jan 13, 2016
17,097
3,683
113
#30
"Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see—for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.” Luke 24:39.
In Genesis 6 angels had bodies of flesh and blood. Like Jesus, they can take human form.
Flesh and bones, no blood. Blood is what corrupted the body. Blood is the picture of why Christ shed his blood to get rid of sins, although he knew no sin.
 

John146

Senior Member
Jan 13, 2016
17,097
3,683
113
#31
Lets try this again....What did Jesus say? He has a body of flesh and blood. The glorified body can be made of flesh and blood.
Flesh and bone…be careful of adding to the word of God.
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,728
13,522
113
#33
He walked right through people before His resurrection. it's not a new superpower He gained after He rose.
Luke 4:28-30​
And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, and rose up, and thrust Him out of the city, and led Him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast Him down headlong.
But He passing through the midst of them went His way
 

John146

Senior Member
Jan 13, 2016
17,097
3,683
113
#34
Shall we try this again....Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see—for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”
In the beginning before the fall, Adam was flesh and bone, but no blood. As soon as he ate off the forbidden fruit, his system turned from everlasting water to blood, corrupting his body and making him mortal. Adam was now subject to death.
 

selahsays

Well-known member
May 31, 2023
2,796
1,484
113
#35
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

- 1 Corinthians 15:50
 

Komentaja

Active member
Jul 29, 2022
450
235
43
#36
Lets try this again....What did Jesus say? He has a body of flesh and blood. The glorified body can be made of flesh and blood.
It can but what do we make of the verse that says flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God?

I lift my hands up in the air my honest answer is I dont know. I'll see when I get there
 
L

Locoponydirtman

Guest
#37
Yep you will be purified and be united with a purified body as well, which means flesh and blood and even bones. We will be as God intended/ planned creation to be from the begining.
 

John146

Senior Member
Jan 13, 2016
17,097
3,683
113
#38
It can but what do we make of the verse that says flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God?

I lift my hands up in the air my honest answer is I dont know. I'll see when I get there
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Which part of flesh and blood is corrupt? The blood is corrupt. Blood needs to be shed from the body. Notice, after the resurrection, the Lord had a body of flesh and bone, but no blood. In the beginning, Adam was made flesh and bone, but no blood, until after the fall.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Genesis 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
 

JohnB

Well-known member
Jul 31, 2022
2,078
456
83
Calif
#39
In the beginning before the fall, Adam was flesh and bone, but no blood. As soon as he ate off the forbidden fruit, his system turned from everlasting water to blood, corrupting his body and making him mortal. Adam was now subject to death.
HUH? Where did you get that idea? It wasn't from the bible.