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Many Jesus' 'emptying" Himself as His becoming "weak," but the reality is that which He "puts off" or "sets aside" is His ability to cause our eyeballs to melt in their sockets and our faces to turn to ash if we so much as looked upon Him, let alone spit on Him.
Strongs isn't a lexicon. it does not give definitions.
2983 lambánō (from the primitive root, lab-, meaning "actively lay hold of to take or receive," see NAS dictionary) – properly, to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting what is available (offered). 2983 /lambánō ("accept with initiative") emphasizes the volition (assertiveness) of the receiver.
active volition is emphasized in aggressively taking something.
not passive reception.
cfe "destroy this temple and I will raise it up" - He doesn't lie.
death has no power over Him; death is the sting of sin, and the power of sin is the Law: He is the Author of the Law, and sets it aside with a word by saying "new" - and in Him is no sin.
it has been pointed out to you over and over and over and over again that Psalm 119 includes confession of sin in multiple verses. 5-6 for example, the speaker is ashamed when they read the Law, because they are convicted of failing to keep it.
which is why you ignore everyone who points it out.
yeah that one means to remove.
no one can remove His life.
therefore He needs no salvation from death.
therefore Hebrews 5 doesn't mean what you think it means, because the scripture doesn't contradict itself.
Ahh, so! Thank you. I see exactly where that strange idea came from now, a vain imagination. A view that sees scripture as speaking of Jesus when it is speaking of men such as Aaron who were priests and so what would, naturally, follow would be the misapplication of the Son in the scriptural representation of David.
this is a deep place, which means it's a well ((yay!)), part of the ".. of whom we have much to say, and hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing"
- interesting that it comes up because of someone who puts on ignore anyone that challenges his thinking, ha!
yes I am thinking, Hebrews is comparing contrasting Aaron and human priesthood with Jesus Christ, the perfect Man, The Mediator, the Priest of an entirely different order - reminded me of this:
John 12:27-33
"Now My soul is troubled, and what shall I say? 'Father, save Me from this hour'? But for this purpose I came to this hour. Father, glorify Your name."
Then a voice came from heaven, saying,
"I have both glorified it and will glorify it again."
Therefore the people who stood by and heard it said that it had thundered. Others said, "An angel has spoken to Him."
Jesus answered and said,
"This voice did not come because of Me, but for your sake. Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself."
This He said, signifying by what death He would die.
That voice was not for Him but for us - just like the prayer in the garden isn't for Him but for us, and Psalm 119 isn't His prayer but a model for us, David's model for us, who need mercy, who have sin and shame, and who have fear, and are being perfected by this very Perfect One who works in us.
He doesn't want to be saved from death any more than He needs to be - He says so! - to die is why He incarnated, to rise again, also for us!
I like that, "a deep well..."
While Hebrews 5 does refer to His prayer in the garden, and it is a prayer to "One who could save Him from death" which "was heard," it strikes me as a prayer of taking the cup of death (not so much as an issue of "having to" for His own sake but rather only for ours) from Him altogether and not one of 'once I drink it, please raise me up.' Even so, nevertheless, Jesus didn't miss a beat to follow that with the prayer, "not My will, but Yours be done."
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evyaniy
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He had to set aside His Divine attributes and become a Man in order to die. The Divine cannot die. He also needed to experience suffering to be made perfect as Hebrews tells us. He could not raise Himself as a Man. His Father had to do that. You do not have an appreciation for His humanity and what it means. His accomplishment was even greater when considering He did it as a Man Who was emptied and completely dependent on the Father.
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evyaniy
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Psalm 119 and many other Psalms reveal His complete dependence on His Father during His earthly life.
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evyaniy
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yea it's a club. that does not make them right. it just makes them a club with a common misunderstanding. which is fine. only trying to share greater truth with the club for their own edification and benefit. if you can't see it don't feel bad. it is a very big club.
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evyaniy
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have to admit, the word translated as "take" when it should have been "receive" in John 10:18 sure changes things. At least 3 translations saw fit to translate the word correctly to "receive." That means at least some scholars or translators saw fit to use the word that is most used for that Greek word. The misunderstanding about 10:18 is a translation problem which no one will admit to now since they have so much invested in their flawed interpretation since they never took the time to look up the word.
8Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from what He suffered. 9And having been made perfect, He became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey Him 10and was designated by God as high priest in the order of Melchizedek.
He learned obedience (to listen, to hear) from what He suffered, even though He was a Son.
And having been made perfect (aorist participle passive), He became ( aorist indicative middle; to cause to be, i.e., to become, used with great latitude) the source of eternal salvation to all who obey (listen, hear) Him and was designated by God as high priest in the order of Melchizedek.
More fairy tales.
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evyaniy
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well that is an interesting twist to the clear language of Hebrews 5. Had to come up with something since it says He had to be saved from death and prayed to His Father to save Him and He was heard by His Father Who heard and raised Him. But you have to come up with something instead of directly quoting the verse which disproves your interpretations.
Hebrews 5
7 He(the Son), in the days of His flesh, having offered up prayers and petitions with strong crying and tears to Him(the Father) Who was able to save Him from death, and having been heard for His Holy fear, 8 though He was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which He suffered. 9 Having been made perfect, He became to all of those who obey Him the Author of eternal salvation,
And one of the prayers that is being referred to there is Psalm 119.
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evyaniy
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7 He(the Son), in the days of His flesh, having offered up prayers and petitions with strong crying and tears to Him(the Father) Who was able to save Him from death,
His Father was able to save Him from death. It says it right there. His Father was able. As a Man He was not able to raise Himself. His Father had to save Him from death. He prayed to His Father to save Him from death and for life all through Psalm 119. It is His prayer for life and to be raised because of His obedience. His Father heard His prayer and raised Him because of His obedience and the promise of life in the law to Him. His Father declared Him to be the Son of YAH with power by raising Him to life again.
His Father was able to save Him from death. It says it right there. His Father was able. As a Man He was not able to raise Himself. His Father had to save Him from death. He prayed to His Father to save Him from death and for life all through Psalm 119. It is His prayer for life and to be raised because of His obedience. His Father heard His prayer and raised Him because of His obedience and the promise of life in the law to Him. His Father declared Him to be the Son of YAH with power by raising Him to life again.
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Locoponydirtman
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So the word of scripture that God provided for Christians for generation upon generation is wrong because God would deceive tgose who have faith in Christ and only you have the correct understanding.
There was no church before you. You must be the new messiah.
Get off the gas and repent.