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evyaniy
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He trusted in His Father's promise/commandment of life to Him in the Law that if He fully obeyed/fulfilled the Law by offering His life as a Sacrifice to save us from our sins, He would be raised to life again. This has been explained over and over in multiple threads which certainly you have read but disagree with.
Will you please answer this.
Is Psalm 119 the Son's prayer for life and to be raised from the dead because of His obedience to the Law and His Father in offering His life to save us, as the Law required of Him?
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evyaniy
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All I hear is you drone on and on about how this "discovery" of yours is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I've yet to hear your explanation for what's so great about it. And "because it's the Son's prayer for life and to be raised from the dead because of His obedience to the Law and His Father in offering His life to save us, as the Law required of Him" doesn't count. Circular logic doesn't count. How is this a game-changer? How is what you're saying any different than what has already been know for millennia?
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evyaniy
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Does that mean your answer is No, you do not believe Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer?
I'm not wasting any more time on you. Have fun with the mind games that seem to amuse you so much. LOL Bye.
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evyaniy
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Psalm 110:1 KJV
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
The Word is always worthy of conveying with understanding. When you are weary of reading it, praying is good.
Clearly the answer is no.
- The Son IS Life. He doesn't need to be saved. He Is Salvation.
- the Law does not require anyone to kill themselves to atone for others.
- He raised Himself. He is God and the Father is God, equally, One God.
- Psalm 119 repeatedly indicates the author has sin, needs mercy and lacks understanding. in Christ is no sin, He IS The Mercy of God not the recipient, and He knows all things.
But anyone who tells you, you put on your ignore list. so.
- The Son IS Life. He doesn't need to be saved. He Is Salvation.
- the Law does not require anyone to kill themselves to atone for others.
- He raised Himself. He is God and the Father is God, equally, One God.
- Psalm 119 repeatedly indicates the author has sin, needs mercy and lacks understanding.
- in Christ is no sin, He IS The Mercy of God not the recipient, and He knows all things.
I imagine that if only you would answer "yes" then you would keep the commandments just like the Son did and so be raised to life but since nobody does that here then everybody's answer musst be no, except for the golden child of course.
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evyaniy
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1. The writer of Hebrews said He needed to be saved from death.
- The Son IS Life. He doesn't need to be saved. He Is Salvation.
- the Law does not require anyone to kill themselves to atone for others.
- He raised Himself. He is God and the Father is God, equally, One God.
- Psalm 119 repeatedly indicates the author has sin, needs mercy and lacks understanding.
- in Christ is no sin, He IS The Mercy of God not the recipient, and He knows all things.
Hebrews 5:7 Who(the Son) in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto Him(the Father) that was able to save Him(the Son) from death, and was heard in that He feared;
2. The animal sacrifices including the Passover Lamb and Day of Atonement Sacrifice as well as many other Lamb Sacrifices were about the Son. In order to fulfill the Law He had to become the Lamb of YAH in offering His life to save us.
3. Multiple verses in the New Testament specifically say the Father raised the Son. He did not raise Himself. He had the commandment and promise in the Law from the Father that He would live by being obedient to the Law which required Him to give His life. The Father raised Him according to the promise and commandment that the Son had His faith in.
4. He admits to no sin in Psalm 119. He declares His obedience to the Law and statutes and judgments and precepts and testimonies and commandments all through the Psalm. In previous threads this was presented showing the verses with Him stating His obedience. Not going to list them again. It was a rather long effort.
5. He took our sins upon Himself as the Lamb to save us. He was made to be sin for us. He was cursed on the cross. He died and suffered death for us. He needed mercy and Salvation to be raised from the dead after giving His life to save us. Multiple Psalms tell us that in His Own Words. He did not know all things during His earthly life as a Man. He set that aside to become One of us. He lived His life learning and growing and experiencing life like we do.
Thank you for at least answering. Sadly you are incorrect on all points.
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evyaniy
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No He didn't. He said He had a commandment from His Father that He would be raised because of His obedience. That was a reference to the promise/commandment of life in the law to Him in Leviticus 18:5, that the Man Who accomplished the Law would live.
The translated wording may be somewhat misleading and confusing. There are many verses that tell us He was raised by the Father or God. He did not raise Himself. He was raised because of His obedience and the promise of life in the law to Him.
He did His part with Faith in His Father's promise/commandment of life to Him. His Father raised Him.
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evyaniy
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The verses that are causing the confusion is John 10:17-18 when He says
Therefore doth My Father love Me, because I lay down My life, that I might receive it again.
No man taketh it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to receive it again. This commandment have I received of My Father.
The word they translated to "take" should have been "received." He even uses the same word when He says This commandment have I received of My Father. It is translated correctly to receive in the second instance in v18.
The word is G2983 lambano which can be translated to receive or take based on the translation counts in the KJV. Here are the counts.
The KJV translates Strong's G2983 in the following manner: receive (133x), take (106x), have (3x), caught (3x), not translated (1x), miscellaneous (17x).
The translators went with take when it should have been receive. He even says This commandment have I received of My Father using the same word in the same verse. The commandment He is referring to is the promise/commandment of Life in the law to Him for His obedience. His power was in His Faith and obedience in the promise of His Father that He would live which is why He mentions His Father's commandment in the verse.
Therefore doth My Father love Me, because I lay down My life, that I might receive it again.
No man taketh it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to receive it again. This commandment have I received of My Father.
The word they translated to "take" should have been "received." He even uses the same word when He says This commandment have I received of My Father. It is translated correctly to receive in the second instance in v18.
The word is G2983 lambano which can be translated to receive or take based on the translation counts in the KJV. Here are the counts.
The KJV translates Strong's G2983 in the following manner: receive (133x), take (106x), have (3x), caught (3x), not translated (1x), miscellaneous (17x).
The translators went with take when it should have been receive. He even says This commandment have I received of My Father using the same word in the same verse. The commandment He is referring to is the promise/commandment of Life in the law to Him for His obedience. His power was in His Faith and obedience in the promise of His Father that He would live which is why He mentions His Father's commandment in the verse.
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evyaniy
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In addition to that, the word translated taketh or takes at the beginning of 10:18 is an entirely different word than the one they translated to take later in the verse.
He received His Life again when His Father raised Him as promised and as He asked for all through Psalm 119 because of His obedience to the Law in offering His life as a Sacrifice to save us.
He received His Life again when His Father raised Him as promised and as He asked for all through Psalm 119 because of His obedience to the Law in offering His life as a Sacrifice to save us.