Speer Gold Dot was a standard for police for years, they still make many personal protection rated calibers, 115 grain 9mm included.
https://www.speer.com/ammunition/gold_dot/
https://www.speer.com/ammunition/gold_dot/
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Well, thanks for the critique on my accuracy... .which can be corrected by adjusting the sights.
I've argued large/slow vs. smaller/fast for perhaps the past 40 years or so. I've read the Ed Sanow articles on "best" self defense caliber (at the time, was .357 mag 125gr HP load).... I've read actual accounts of shootings, one guy shot in the back 6 time with a .45 ACP, then walking to the hospital and checking himself in, saw a video of a state trooper dash cam where he shot the bad guy 3 or 4 times with his service gun and the bad guy shot him once with a .22.... the trooper sat down and died after about 3 or 4 minutes (through the heart) and the bad guy survived.
Bottom line.... there is no "magic" caliber. It's all about shot placement and bullet penetration. Shoot someone with a quality bullet in a .380 center mass, and they go down. Shoot someone off center with a .44 or .45, and they keep going.
No matter what Hollywood says, most people shot with a handgun can keep functioning for many seconds, if not minutes... unless you hit the central nervous system.
I've argued large/slow vs. smaller/fast for perhaps the past 40 years or so. I've read the Ed Sanow articles on "best" self defense caliber (at the time, was .357 mag 125gr HP load).... I've read actual accounts of shootings, one guy shot in the back 6 time with a .45 ACP, then walking to the hospital and checking himself in, saw a video of a state trooper dash cam where he shot the bad guy 3 or 4 times with his service gun and the bad guy shot him once with a .22.... the trooper sat down and died after about 3 or 4 minutes (through the heart) and the bad guy survived.
Bottom line.... there is no "magic" caliber. It's all about shot placement and bullet penetration. Shoot someone with a quality bullet in a .380 center mass, and they go down. Shoot someone off center with a .44 or .45, and they keep going.
No matter what Hollywood says, most people shot with a handgun can keep functioning for many seconds, if not minutes... unless you hit the central nervous system.
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Can't argue with that reasoning bro!! makes too much sense.
Nevertheless, citing unique circumstances, while informative, isn't the norm... would you agree?
Yeah, a well-placed shot with a 22 beats a poor shoot with a 50. Okay, I get that.
But in the average, both shooters are going to be missing the mark. And because of that... you shoot me in the arm with your (and Ed's) smalls, when I shoot you in the arm with a 50... you tell me, who's day is going to be the sadder for it? Who is going to bleed out before sunset?
You shoot me in the heart with a 22... I shoot you in the with a 50, we're both dead.
I'd like to think that, by seconds or fractions thereof, you will die first.
Nevertheless, citing unique circumstances, while informative, isn't the norm... would you agree?
Yeah, a well-placed shot with a 22 beats a poor shoot with a 50. Okay, I get that.
But in the average, both shooters are going to be missing the mark. And because of that... you shoot me in the arm with your (and Ed's) smalls, when I shoot you in the arm with a 50... you tell me, who's day is going to be the sadder for it? Who is going to bleed out before sunset?
You shoot me in the heart with a 22... I shoot you in the with a 50, we're both dead.
I'd like to think that, by seconds or fractions thereof, you will die first.
I had hoped this wouldn't morph into doing away with people. If we are relying on our own understanding and means we are carnal and not spiritual as required by our Lord and Savior.
We don't know where He would have us go, we may be in a place where we can protect others and stop violence, most often that is because we have not heeded His guidance as He swore to protect us if we stay in Him.
He can protect me better than I can protect myself.
blessings
We don't know where He would have us go, we may be in a place where we can protect others and stop violence, most often that is because we have not heeded His guidance as He swore to protect us if we stay in Him.
He can protect me better than I can protect myself.
blessings
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see y’all are talking calibers and stopping power. You may find this interesting about how the us military chose .45acp
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thompson–LaGarde_Tests
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thompson–LaGarde_Tests
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Yes, the Thompson LaGarde tests.... done in the early 1900's... and they chose based on all calibers using round nose "ball" ammunition. A larger hole is better.
What is the choice of the military in today's world? The 9mm.
What is the choice of the FBI? The 9mm.
Again, the point is, there is very little difference in stopping results between any of the major pistol calibers. To get better results, you have to go to a short barreled rifle or shotgun.
Studies have shown that with any caliber, it takes multiple hits to stop a threat. So, a higher capacity is desirable, along with moderate recoil, which translates to faster accurate shot placement.
What is the choice of the military in today's world? The 9mm.
What is the choice of the FBI? The 9mm.
Again, the point is, there is very little difference in stopping results between any of the major pistol calibers. To get better results, you have to go to a short barreled rifle or shotgun.
Studies have shown that with any caliber, it takes multiple hits to stop a threat. So, a higher capacity is desirable, along with moderate recoil, which translates to faster accurate shot placement.
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St. Louis Mayor Announces Plans to Outlaw AR-15s, AK-47s and Military-Style Weapons – Hopes Criminals Will Comply
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/st-louis-mayor-announces-plans-outlaw-ar-15s/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/st-louis-mayor-announces-plans-outlaw-ar-15s/
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“Gun violence is a public health crisis that impacts families and communities in every neighborhood across our city,” said Jones. “
That's how the mayors bypassed the Constitutions of every state and every law. They called the home prison confinement lockdowns, suffocation devices in fed approved big box stores and public transit "public health crisis."
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