Paul saw the ten commandments as part of the "ministry of death."

[SpeakTruth101]

So you don't know that you hate your brother by requiring to keep laws that you can't even keep? or does he only have to keep the ones that you can?

You got a verse for that?

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

Mat 22:36-40, “Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deuteronomy 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

 

[Mem]

He's not talking about general Christian liberty. He's talking about meat offered to idols. It's the subject of the entire chapter. If you read the early part of the chapter you find the reason for the liberty...there is only 1 God. Idols don't really exist. And all things are of God. It's the same argument made in 1 Corinthians 10...all things are lawful to me, but...also, whether you eat or drink, or whatsoever you do, do all to the glory of God.

As a visual example of how this would look...

brother; Aack! that's meat offered to idols!
me; so, what? that idol is no god, what is he going to get mad at me if I don't eat 'worthily'?...
brother; (wringing hands) this is scary... what if God gets angry!?
me; Abba? You mean? it's all His and He's Father so... fear not! But, okay, just so I don't cause you worry, seeing that unbelief is sin... I'll refrain until you've figured it out in your own mind...

 

[SpeakTruth101]

God has a wonderful sense of humor and irony. But thanks for the warning. Don't let it escape your attention either.

Thank you I appreciate the encouragement, I think positive reinforcement is a key to success. Seeking YHWH and His path is the purpose of my life, I was born for no other reason.

Hebrews 10:16, "“This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them.”

Psalm 119

14, I have rejoiced in the way of Your witnesses, As over all riches.


15, I meditate on Your orders, And regard Your ways.


16, I delight myself in Your laws; I do not forget Your word.

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding (G5083) the Commands (G1785) of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

 

[SpeakTruth101]

So you don't know that you hate your brother by requiring to keep laws that you can't even keep? or does he only have to keep the ones that you can?

Show me when in the word guarding His Laws, Commands, Instructions, etc. is hate?



Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding (G5083) the Commands (G1785) of יהוה and possessing the Witness of יהושע Messiah."

1 John 2:6-11, "The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.d ( 1Jn 2:24) Again I write you a fresh command, which is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away, and the true light now shines. The one who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in the darkness until now. The one who loves his brother stays in the light, and there is no stumbling-block in him. But the one who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. "

Love your beighbor, love YHWH, dont steal, honor your father and mothr IS NOT DARKNESS.

you are calling the Law darkness? maybe you are blind, that is im shocked,

EVIL is darkness hate is darkness.

But the one who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. "

 

[Cameron143]

Thank you I appreciate the encouragement, I think positive reinforcement is a key to success. Seeking YHWH and His path is the purpose of my life, I was born for no other reason.

Hebrews 10:16, "“This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them.”

Psalm 119

14, I have rejoiced in the way of Your witnesses, As over all riches.


15, I meditate on Your orders, And regard Your ways.


16, I delight myself in Your laws; I do not forget Your word.

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding (G5083) the Commands (G1785) of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

No problem. Don't forget...seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness.

 

[Mem]

You got a verse for that?

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

Mat 22:36-40, “Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deuteronomy 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

He first loved me so; I've realized that and am fed from the Source with an endless supply of it.
Any verse I offer, you will look at with thick denominational lenses. I understand, I see you are a pastor so repenting would be sort of embarrassing to the congregation that trusts you to lead them into all truth. Even so, it is possible and has happened. \0/

 

[SpeakTruth101]

No problem. Don't forget...seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness.

I studt His word just for that purpose.

Luke 20:38, "Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living, for all live to him.”

 

[Gideon300]

It is not whether or not you can quote the scripture; it's whether or not it's written on your heart. You know to worship God and God alone; you know not to commit adulter/lie/steal/covet etc.

You still miss the point. Knowing what is right and wrong does not enable people do do what is right and avoid what is wrong. There is no shortage of information about what the Christian life entails. There is much less information on the "how" of the Christian life.

 

[SomeDisciple]

He's not talking about general Christian liberty.

Of course he is.

He's talking about meat offered to idols.

That is the subject; yes, but the point is that it does not fall under Christian liberty. The liberty is that we don't have to go out of our way to investigate the food first.

If you read the early part of the chapter you find the reason for the liberty...there is only 1 God. Idols don't really exist. And all things are of God.

This isn't the reason for the liberty- this is the knowledge that puffs up, if you have the knowledge and don't use it in love. CH10 does say the same thing; but it's not that you can eat food you know was offered to idols "with thanksgiving".

 

[SpeakTruth101]

He first loved me so; I've realized that and am fed from the Source with an endless supply of it.\0/

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

Any verse I offer, you will look at with thick denominational lenses.\0/

I only seek His truth I care not for what a denomanation teaches.

Matthew 4:4, "But He answering, said, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of יהוה.’ ”

G1577 ἐκκλησία ekklesia (ek-klee-siy'-a) n.
1. (literally) a “calling out.” (see H4744 for usage in Israel).
2. (concretely, of Greece) an assembly of citizens (as called out by the town crier for a specific purpose).
3. (specifically, of Jesus) a called out assembly of the Redeemed of Jesus (Yeshua).
4. (specially, of Jesus) the citizenry of the Redeemed of Jesus whether being on earth or in heaven or both.
5. (of ancient continuity) a called out assembly (of the Redeemed Kinsmen of Yahweh— out of captivity; see Nehemiah 8:8, then Exodus 6:6, Exodus 15:13).

I understand, I see you are a pastor so repenting would be sort of embarrassing to the congregation that trusts you to lead them into all truth. Even so, it is possible and has happened. \0/

There is only 1 pastor it is not me

John 10:16, “And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd (G4166 poimén).”

I seek to do His will

John/Yahanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."

So you don't know that you hate your brother by requiring to keep laws that you can't even keep? or does he only have to keep the ones that you can?

You got a verse for that?

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

Mat 22:36-40, “Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deuteronomy 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

 

[Cameron143]

Of course he is.

That is the subject; yes, but the point is that it does not fall under Christian liberty. The liberty is that we don't have to go out of our way to investigate the food first.

This isn't the reason for the liberty- this is the knowledge that puffs up, if you have the knowledge and don't use it in love. CH10 does say the same thing; but it's not that you can eat food you know was offered to idols "with thanksgiving".

I would disagree. It's the same principle in Peter's vision...he could eat all the food because it's source was God.
I respect your opinion. I think it is ok not to eat as well.

 

[Mem]

ohn/Yahanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."

You have a doctrine, indeed, and I am not your disciple.

 

[SpeakTruth101]

Jude 1:4, "For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old set forth unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. "

 

[Cameron143]

You still miss the point. Knowing what is right and wrong does not enable people do do what is right and avoid what is wrong. There is no shortage of information about what the Christian life entails. There is much less information on the "how" of the Christian life.

This is a great point, but he won't hear it. I've already shared it. We, even as Christians, cannot keep the law in our own strength or as a matter effort or will. As Galatians 5:16 teaches, we will only not fulfill the lusts of the flesh by walking in the Spirit.

 

[Gideon300]

I cant wrap my head around this, I feel like im missing something. Yahshua/Jesus and His disciples both say not to eat idol meat that I understand but does Paul teach different as you said in this post? And if so why is it ok?

Ive always read Yahshua words the most, the Gospels many times...

Paul's advice was not to ask the source of the meat. I eat meat. I don't check out the abbatoir to find out if it has been certified halal. There again, I would not buy meat from a halal or kosher butcher as that would imply that I approved of the Muslim/Jewish custom. You do yourself a disservice by not immersing yourself in the whole of the New Testament. Did you know that along with Revelation, the gospels were the last books of the NT to be written?

 

[SpeakTruth101]

You have a doctrine, indeed, and I am not your disciple.

why would you even say that, that is odd. I never said you were, you make up ideas, I posted this

There is only 1 pastor it is not me

John 10:16, “And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd (G4166 poimén).”

I seek to do His will

John/Yahanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."

had zero to do with you or who you follow, ou made an accusation saying I was a "pastor" Im telling you I seek His will.


I come here for discussion, debate is ok too, but you are making things up

So you don't know that you hate your brother by requiring to keep laws that you can't
even keep? or does he only have to keep the ones that you can?

where is your verse to prove that?

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

 

[Gideon300]

This is a great point, but he won't hear it. I've already shared it. We, even as Christians, cannot keep the law in our own strength or as a matter effort or will. As Galatians 5:16 teaches, we will only not fulfill the lusts of the flesh by walking in the Spirit.

I'm delighted to meet someone who knows what the Christian life is really about.

 

[Cameron143]

Jude 1:4, "For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old set forth unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. "

That's a heavy charge. Denying Christ is much different than disagreeing over doctrine. Is this directed at someone in particular?

 

[SpeakTruth101]

Paul's advice was not to ask the source of the meat. I eat meat. I don't check out the abbatoir to find out if it has been certified halal. There again, I would not buy meat from a halal or kosher butcher as that would imply that I approved of the Muslim/Jewish custom. You do yourself a disservice by not immersing yourself in the whole of the New Testament. Did you know that along with Revelation, the gospels were the last books of the NT to be written?

So how many times have I read the NT then?

The 12 chosen disciples of Jesus led by the holy Spirit:

Acts 15:28-29, “For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

Paul:

1 Corinthians 8:7-8, “However, not all possess this knowledge. But some, through former association with idols, eat food as really offered to an idol, and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do.”

Jesus:

Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."

The 6th Trumpet - Revelation 9:20-21, "And the rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship the demons, and idols of gold, and of silver, and of brass, and of stone, and of wood, which are neither able to see, nor to hear, nor to walk. (Psa 115:4-7, Psa 135:15-17, Dan 5:23). And they did not repent of their murders, nor of their drug sorceries, nor of their whoring, nor of their thefts.”

1 John 5:21, “Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amĕn.”

 

[SomeDisciple]

brother; Aack! that's meat offered to idols!
me; so, what? that idol is no god, what is he going to get mad at me if I don't eat 'worthily'?...
brother; (wringing hands) this is scary... what if God gets angry!?
me; Abba? You mean? it's all His and He's Father so... fear not! But, okay, just so I don't cause you worry, seeing that unbelief is sin... I'll refrain until you've figured it out in your own mind...

What if you don't even know your brother; or it doesn't even have to be a brother- just somebody you might have influence over: and they just happen to see you from 20 meters. This doesn't have anything to do with eating "worthily". He's gonna think it's okay to partake in this pagan worship, because you did it; even though you didn't mean it that way in your heart- you're still putting a stumbling block in front of the blind.