Paul saw the ten commandments as part of the "ministry of death."

[SpeakTruth101]

I think Yahshua's words are the most important

John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”
Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

John/Yahanan 14:26, "But the Comforter – the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you."

John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

 

[SpeakTruth101]

What you have there is the same thing Jesus was referring to.

Of course because Yahshua's/Jesus Disciples teach His doctrine,

so Jesus says no idol meat

Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."

His disciples say the same

Acts 21:25, “But as for the Gentiles who have believed, we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality.”

John/Yahanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."

Mat 28:19-20,28:19, “Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit, and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit. Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

 

[SpeakTruth101]

Of course not. You asked about the judgement and who that was directed at.

No I asked about Deut 18 and Acts 3, if we should hear and obey Yahshua/Jesus

I said "So the Gentile can discard Yahshua'Jesus teachings and Commands? "

 

[SpeakTruth101]

You quoted a verse by Paul saying it was ok to eat food offered to idols. Then you quoted Jesus speaking against it. That was the impetus for my question.

I cant wrap my head around this, I feel like im missing something. Yahshua/Jesus and His disciples both say not to eat idol meat that I understand but does Paul teach different as you said in this post? And if so why is it ok?

Ive always read Yahshua words the most, the Gospels many times...

 

[Gideon300]

I think the rich man loved mammon too much to actually follow Yahshua, but who knows.



It not our job to be perfect or fulfill the Law but it is our job to seek to do His will

Matthew 12:50, “For whoever does the desire of My Father who is in the heavens is My brother and sister and mother.




I think this verse about Him explains it well:

Isaiah 42:21, "It has delighted יהוה, for the sake of His righteousness, to make the Torah great and esteemed. "

Bottom line if He says

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

Then it is love.

John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing...."

You have quoted correctly. But do you understand what you have quoted?
1. "Keep my commandments." The Law came through Moses. not through Christ.
2. Abiding in Christ produces fruit. What is that fruit? It is love, joy, peace faithfulness, gentleness, goodness, self control etc.
3. "Without me, you can do nothing". Some Christians are busy doing a great deal. But if it is not initiated and empowered by Christ, God judges it as nothing. (1 Corinthians 3:12)

The commandments of Jesus supersede the Law. Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God. The Law has no heart, it is written on stone. There is no mercy or grace. Truth and grace come through Jesus. I would struggle to quote the 10 commandments, let alone the 613 stated in Leviticus.

 

[Cameron143]

I think Yahshua's words are the most important

John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”
Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

John/Yahanan 14:26, "But the Comforter – the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you."

John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

I would disagree. It's all the word of God. At various times God spoke using different means, but it's all from the same source.

 

[Mem]

For the priesthood being changed (#G3346), there is made of necessity a change (#G3331) also of the law.”

Ok, we'll use the word "transfer" instead of "change" but that neither transfers nor changes the meaning that the priesthood is transferred from the former to the latter and thus so also the law is transferred from the form to another law, a new law. This isn't Jesus taking over the administration of the same law which was Moses'.

a change (#G3331) also of the law 1) transfer: from one place to another, the Law of YHWH is transfarred to Yahshua's rule/mediation

 

[Cameron143]

Of course because Yahshua's/Jesus Disciples teach His doctrine,

so Jesus says no idol meat

Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."

His disciples say the same

Acts 21:25, “But as for the Gentiles who have believed, we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality.”

John/Yahanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."

Mat 28:19-20,28:19, “Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit, and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit. Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

I've tried to explain the connection to the actual idol worship itself.

 

[SomeDisciple]

I would struggle to quote the 10 commandments, let alone the 613 stated in Leviticus.

It is not whether or not you can quote the scripture; it's whether or not it's written on your heart. You know to worship God and God alone; you know not to commit adulter/lie/steal/covet etc.

 

[Cameron143]

No I asked about Deut 18 and Acts 3, if we should hear and obey Yahshua/Jesus

I said "So the Gentile can discard Yahshua'Jesus teachings and Commands? "

And I said of course not. It's the word of God. But I trying to explain that it is no more or less the word of God than any other part of the word of God.

 

[SpeakTruth101]

You have quoted correctly. But do you understand what you have quoted?
1. "Keep my commandments." The Law came through Moses. not through Christ.

YHWH’s Law was before Moses.

Matthew 19:8, "He said to them, “Because of the hardness of your hearts, Mosheh allowed you to put away your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. "

1 John 2:7, "Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning."

Genesis 26:5, “Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my Laws.”

John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

Mat 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deuteronomy 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

2. Abiding in Christ produces fruit. What is that fruit? It is love, joy, peace faithfulness, gentleness, goodness, self control etc.

love,

You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deuteronomy 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment.

And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18).

righteousness, caring for others, stand up for the helpless, and obedience to whatever He says.

3. "Without me, you can do nothing". Some Christians are busy doing a great deal. But if it is not initiated and empowered by Christ, God judges it as nothing. (1 Corinthians 3:12).

1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”

 

[SpeakTruth101]

I would disagree. It's all the word of God. At various times God spoke using different means, but it's all from the same source.

While all of YHWH's chose for sure spoke words that should be taken seriously, like I said before only One did YHWH say is above all. (Deut 18:18-19, Acts 3:19-22)

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"

 

[Mem]

a change (#G3331) also of the law 1) transfer: from one place to another, the Law of YHWH is transfarred to Yahshua's rule/mediation

Can you see the new law that is altogether different from Moses'?

Hopefully that clears it up for you? Also thank you for answering my question last night, It might seem like no big deal but a lot of people refuse to have a back and forth discussion and answering questions so thank you again.

I've only wished the best for you and, although the outcome is rarely the result, always hope for fruitful discussions.

 

[SpeakTruth101]

Ok, we'll use the word "transfer" instead of "change" but that neither transfers nor changes the meaning that the priesthood is transferred from the former to the latter and thus so also the law is transferred from the form to another law, a new law. This isn't Jesus taking over the administration of the same law which was Moses'.

It YHWH's Law that He mediates, for YHWH's Law was before Moses:

Matthew 19:8, "He said to them, “Because of the hardness of your hearts, Mosheh allowed you to put away your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. "

1 John 2:7, "Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning."

Genesis 26:5, “Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my Laws.”

 

[Cameron143]

I cant wrap my head around this, I feel like im missing something. Yahshua/Jesus and His disciples both say not to eat idol meat that I understand but does Paul teach different as you said in this post? And if so why is it ok?

Ive always read Yahshua words the most, the Gospels many times...

Again, 1 Corinthians 8 teaches there is liberty to eat food offered to idols. There are some who are weaker in their understanding that view it as offensive. In their company, one should refrain for the sake of the weaker brother.
The verses in Acts 15 and Revelation 2:20 are referring to partaking in the actual worship service of idols and are forbidden.
Do you know what actually took place at venues that held worship services for idols?

 

[SpeakTruth101]

I've tried to explain the connection to the actual idol worship itself.

If He says dont do it what else matters? It is not right or permissible.

 

[SpeakTruth101]

And I said of course not. It's the word of God. But I trying to explain that it is no more or less the word of God than any other part of the word of God.

Ok maybe this would help clear up us not really connecting on this matter, can we break the passage down fully, in a 2 way discussion?

 

[SpeakTruth101]

Can you see the new law that is altogether different from Moses'?

I've only wished the best for you and, although the outcome is rarely the result, always hope for fruitful discussions.

I already addressed this in my answer to you, I will say it again it not a big deal

YHWH’s Law was before Moses. jsut as the order of Melchizedek was befor eMoses, and Yahshua is of that order.

Matthew 19:8, "He said to them, “Because of the hardness of your hearts, Mosheh allowed you to put away your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. "

1 John 2:7, "Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning."

Genesis 26:5, “Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my Laws.”



also I worte a lot in my answer some assessment of the passages would help make for a fruitful discussion

 

[SpeakTruth101]

Again, 1 Corinthians 8 teaches there is liberty to eat food offered to idols. There are some who are weaker in their understanding that view it as offensive. In their company, one should refrain for the sake of the weaker brother.
The verses in Acts 15 and Revelation 2:20 are referring to partaking in the actual worship service of idols and are forbidden.
Do you know what actually took place at venues that held worship services for idols?

Yes I have read about ancient idol worship and the debauchery, we dont need to touch on that its rather gross.

However Acts 15 says not to do it, Yahshua says not to do it,

notice it does not say dont go to the pagan temple and do the sex ritual and eat slain animals,

it says "they should abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and ......."

"seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols"

It does not say seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality while eating food sacrificed to idols

to claim that it ok as long as your not in the pagan temple doing a ritual is licentiousness




Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."

Acts 21:25, “But as for the Gentiles who have believed, we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality.”

 

[SomeDisciple]

Again, 1 Corinthians 8 teaches there is liberty to eat food offered to idols. There are some who are weaker in their understanding that view it as offensive. In their company, one should refrain for the sake of the weaker brother.

No way does it say anything about who's company you are in. These were out in the public, or areas that the public had access to- someone would probably see you... and if they happened to be offerings in a temple; well, you probably shouldn't be in that temple anyways. It doesn't say anything about "liberty" to eat food offered to idols.