In your opinion do you believe world is about 6000 years old

[hornetguy]

First, I need to address some (false) assumptions, then I'll answer your question...

1. Adam did not name all the animals. He only named (at least some of) the birds and land beasts.
2. The Bible doesn't say Adam was shown the seas or the fish. God told him about the seas, and God named the fish.

Now to answer your question:
Yes, the creation of Adam, placing him in Eden, instructions for Adam, naming of birds and beasts, the creation of Eve, instructions to Adam and Eve ... happened on the 6th day.

Do you deny that?

Why do you have to be belligerent about it? I said from the start I don't insist on anything... it's simply thinking aloud about the apparent timeline discrepancies.

I don't deny anything about the creation. I believe God created all of it in 6 days.

Genesis 1
God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that [ak]moves on the earth.”

So, the man and woman were told on the 6th day to rule over the fish of the sea.

and Genesis 2
And out of the ground the Lord God formed every animal of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all the livestock, and to the birds of the sky, and to every animal of the field,

So Adam named all the animals and birds, and then Eve messed up, and they were cast out of the garden, with God telling them to be fruitful and multiply .... all on the 6th day.... right after he told Eve that she was going to experience greater pain in childbirth, and Adam was going to have to work his butt off to raise any crops....

and right after man and woman messed up completely, and were banished... God looked at it and said it was good....

Remember.... the word does not say that Adam and Eve were created on the 6th day.... only that mankind was created, male and female.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

How do you know the serpent's first sin was on earth?

I don't believe the Serpent first sin was on Earth, but in Heaven.

He was the first to Sin both in Heaven and on Earth.

 

[Diakonos]

the word does not say that Adam and Eve were created on the 6th day.... only that mankind was created, male and female

Do you believe Adam and Eve were the first Male and Female?

 

[hornetguy]

Do you believe Adam and Eve were the first Male and Female?

Not necessarily.
I haven't come to any conclusions yet.

Do you? If so, what is your scriptural proof of that?

 

[Diakonos]

Not necessarily.
I haven't come to any conclusions yet.

Do you? If so, what is your scriptural proof of that?

That surprises me. I understand better now where you are coming from.
Absolutely.
The man whom God placed in the garden... His wife (who the serpent deceived) was named Eve (Gen 3:20, 4:1, 2 Cor 11:3).
After she ate the fruit and gave it to her husband, God responds with judgment..."To Adam God said..." (Gen 3:17).
Adam's sin brought death to all people (Rom 5:12, 1 Cor 15:21-22).
Adam was created first (1 Tim 2:13). From him, all people were made (Acts 17:26)

The list goes on...

 

[cv5]

That surprises me. I understand better now where you are coming from.
Absolutely.
The man whom God placed in the garden... His wife (who the serpent deceived) was named Eve (Gen 3:20, 4:1, 2 Cor 11:3).
After she ate the fruit and gave it to her husband, God responds with judgment..."To Adam God said..." (Gen 3:17).
Adam's sin brought death to all people (Rom 5:12, 1 Cor 15:21-22).
Adam was created first (1 Tim 2:13). From him, all people were made (Acts 17:26)

The list goes on...

Couple of thoughts:

-Genesis 3:9-19 is God literally convening court with a trial and judgment. This may have taken some time and there may have been unknown numbers of angelic witnesses both fallen and unfallen
-Adam renamed his wife Eve, the mother of all living.....because he was thrilled at the outcome of the court proceedings! Both Adam and Eve sincerely confessed their sins, obtained mercy and were consequently "covered by the blood" aka SAVED!
-Adam was NOT cursed, the ground was cursed for his sake!
-It was the serpent who is cursed a.k.a. condemned to the lake of fire

Both Adam and Eve were unquestionably saved and we will enjoy their company in heaven.

 

[hornetguy]

That surprises me. I understand better now where you are coming from.
Absolutely.
The man whom God placed in the garden... His wife (who the serpent deceived) was named Eve (Gen 3:20, 4:1, 2 Cor 11:3).
After she ate the fruit and gave it to her husband, God responds with judgment..."To Adam God said..." (Gen 3:17).
Adam's sin brought death to all people (Rom 5:12, 1 Cor 15:21-22).
Adam was created first (1 Tim 2:13). From him, all people were made (Acts 17:26)

The list goes on...

And at the time that statement was made, it was absolutely true. Anyone on earth that might have come before Adam were wiped off the earth in the flood.... so all people living on earth WERE from the lineage of Adam.

If God had created mankind, man and woman, some time (who knows how much time) before he created Adam and placed him specially in the garden, the earth could have been populated with mankind... NOT of the lineage of Adam. When Noah and family, of the lineage of Adam were saved through water, the flood, God's race of people were the only mankind on earth.

I was taught the same way you say it happened. I've believed that all my life. Lately I've been thinking about the timeline discrepancies and thought, this could answer every non-believer's questions about how the creation happened... it could help explain the great men of old... sons of God (Adam's lineage) married into the sons of man (mankind, not of Adam's lineage) . This was not good, and God "cleansed" the earth with the flood, leaving only the lineage of Adam (son of God).

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Couple of thoughts:

-Genesis 3:9-19 is God literally convening court with a trial and judgment. This may have taken some time and there may have been unknown numbers of angelic witnesses both fallen and unfallen
-Adam renamed his wife Eve, the mother of all living.....because he was thrilled at the outcome of the court proceedings! Both Adam and Eve sincerely confessed their sins, obtained mercy and were consequently "covered by the blood" aka SAVED!
-Adam was NOT cursed, the ground was cursed for his sake!
-It was the serpent who is cursed a.k.a. condemned to the lake of fire

Both Adam and Eve were unquestionably saved and we will enjoy their company in heaven.

AMEN!

No doubt there were Heavenly Witnesses and the Fallen. Satan, totally believed he had trapped God into having to keep His Word to Kill Them for Eating of the Tree.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

And at the time that statement was made, it was absolutely true. Anyone on earth that might have come before Adam were wiped off the earth in the flood.... so all people living on earth WERE from the lineage of Adam.

If God had created mankind, man and woman, some time (who knows how much time) before he created Adam and placed him specially in the garden, the earth could have been populated with mankind... NOT of the lineage of Adam. When Noah and family, of the lineage of Adam were saved through water, the flood, God's race of people were the only mankind on earth.

I was taught the same way you say it happened. I've believed that all my life. Lately I've been thinking about the timeline discrepancies and thought, this could answer every non-believer's questions about how the creation happened... it could help explain the great men of old... sons of God (Adam's lineage) married into the sons of man (mankind, not of Adam's lineage) . This was not good, and God "cleansed" the earth with the flood, leaving only the lineage of Adam (son of God).

let's say, like you seem to be hinting at, the Adam and Eve story is specifically mentioned because the Bible is all about Jesus, and how mankind got to their Messiah. So, that means Other People.

Why would God create Other People to just end up in Eternal Damnation?

 

[hornetguy]

You could ask the same question about anybody that lives on earth that never has a chance to hear about Jesus..... were they created just to end up in eternal damnation? I'm sure God has a plan for all situations.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

You could ask the same question about anybody that lives on earth that never has a chance to hear about Jesus..... were they created just to end up in eternal damnation? I'm sure God has a plan for all situations.

I tend to think about what is left to Witness to Today, could have fallen to Generational Curses.

Look at the Jews past 2,000 years.
they Said, Put His Blood upon us and our Lineages/Generations/Children

they've had a whole lot of bloodshed.

but deep generational Hinduism, Buddhism and the spirits implicated that just roam through those families.

I would think the majority have Heard about Jesus in ways we don't even know about.

 

[Dino246]

As an interesting aside.... did you know that bears are part of the pig family?

I did not, though I know that both are omnivores.

 

[Archer2117]

My personal studies shows the 6000th year ends in year 2029. Just shows those that do a diligent study comes up very close to each other

I did not, though I know that both are omnivores.

Bears are most closely related to Pinnipeds (pronounced /ˈpɪnɪˌpɛdz/), commonly known as seals, & Canidae (/ˈkænɪdiː/;[3] from Latin, canis, "dog") is a biological family of dog-like carnivorans, colloquially referred to as dogs.

 

[Cameron143]

Bears are most closely related to Pinnipeds (pronounced /ˈpɪnɪˌpɛdz/), commonly known as seals, & Canidae (/ˈkænɪdiː/;[3] from Latin, canis, "dog") is a biological family of dog-like carnivorans, colloquially referred to as dogs.

Got it...pig seal dog. Is that related to puppy monkey baby?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Bears are most closely related to Pinnipeds (pronounced /ˈpɪnɪˌpɛdz/), commonly known as seals, & Canidae (/ˈkænɪdiː/;[3] from Latin, canis, "dog") is a biological family of dog-like carnivorans, colloquially referred to as dogs.

Archer, is that a jig set-up in your mill slot?

You are a rarity. nice to meet another Manual Machinist who knows how to trig out their own prints.

is that belt driven?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

that brand is older but that could even be an actual jig bore itself.

almost looks like it's set up to slot.

 

[hornetguy]

Bears are most closely related to Pinnipeds (pronounced /ˈpɪnɪˌpɛdz/), commonly known as seals, & Canidae (/ˈkænɪdiː/;[3] from Latin, canis, "dog") is a biological family of dog-like carnivorans, colloquially referred to as dogs.

It appears I have been mis-informed. I suppose someone found that male bears are called boars and female bears are called sows, and made the assumption. I should have researched this, instead of just taking someone at their word...
Thanks for the correction.

 

[cv5]

Why do you have to be belligerent about it? I said from the start I don't insist on anything... it's simply thinking aloud about the apparent timeline discrepancies.

I don't deny anything about the creation. I believe God created all of it in 6 days.

Genesis 1
God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that [ak]moves on the earth.”

So, the man and woman were told on the 6th day to rule over the fish of the sea.

and Genesis 2
And out of the ground the Lord God formed every animal of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all the livestock, and to the birds of the sky, and to every animal of the field,

So Adam named all the animals and birds, and then Eve messed up, and they were cast out of the garden, with God telling them to be fruitful and multiply .... all on the 6th day.... right after he told Eve that she was going to experience greater pain in childbirth, and Adam was going to have to work his butt off to raise any crops....

and right after man and woman messed up completely, and were banished... God looked at it and said it was good....

Remember.... the word does not say that Adam and Eve were created on the 6th day.... only that mankind was created, male and female.

"So... I would subscribe to the view that Genesis 2:7-25 all occurs on the sixth day...... Feel free to continue the discussion...it belongs in the arena.. Hope I added something of value. ................. s.a.chronister"

Well, Pastor Chronister just replied to my email. He DOES think that Gen 2:7-25 is contained withing the sixth day, with a lot of attendant commentary.

Good question though. Tough to answer.

 

[cv5]

it could help explain the great men of old... sons of God (Adam's lineage) married into the sons of man (mankind, not of Adam's lineage) . This was not good, and God "cleansed" the earth with the flood, leaving only the lineage of Adam (son of God).

Cannot agree there. I reside firmly in the "Sons of God" as angelic beings camp.

 

[cv5]

Why do you have to be belligerent about it? I said from the start I don't insist on anything... it's simply thinking aloud about the apparent timeline discrepancies.

I don't deny anything about the creation. I believe God created all of it in 6 days.

Genesis 1
God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that [ak]moves on the earth.”

So, the man and woman were told on the 6th day to rule over the fish of the sea.

and Genesis 2
And out of the ground the Lord God formed every animal of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all the livestock, and to the birds of the sky, and to every animal of the field,

So Adam named all the animals and birds, and then Eve messed up, and they were cast out of the garden, with God telling them to be fruitful and multiply .... all on the 6th day.... right after he told Eve that she was going to experience greater pain in childbirth, and Adam was going to have to work his butt off to raise any crops....

and right after man and woman messed up completely, and were banished... God looked at it and said it was good....

Remember.... the word does not say that Adam and Eve were created on the 6th day.... only that mankind was created, male and female.

Another thought:
There exists "darkness" in the creation account, which is always evil. God did not then remove it, He merely "divided" it.

Gen 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:4
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

However, the darkness IS totally removed in the new heavens and earth, as is the sea.

Rev 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:23
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.