Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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A question for anyone who cares to answer: Why isn't it DeSantis' time to run?

Is the only reason it's not his time because Trump is running? Is he unqualified? With his executive leadership experience, has he destroyed Florida in your opinion? Is he not controversial, flashy, or funny enough? Which polities do you disagree with that he champions? Is he too young and would you prefer a lame-duck president over a potential 2-term candidate? Do you prefer someone who has done questionable things in their life and learning from it as opposed to someone who hasn't quite had a colorfully shaded past?
 
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cv5

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A question for anyone who cares to answer: Why isn't it DeSantis' time to run?

Is the only reason it's not his time because Trump is running? Is he unqualified? With his executive leadership experience, has he destroyed Florida in your opinion? Is he not controversial, flashy, or funny enough? Which polities do you disagree with that he champions? Is he too young and would you prefer a lame-duck president over a potential 2-term candidate? Do you prefer someone who has done questionable things in their life and learning from it as opposed to someone who hasn't quite had a colorfully shaded past?
It has to be said, DeSantis is a known quantity in terms of whacking the bad guys. An attribute that Trump sorely lacks.
Trump ceaselessly jabbered about "lock somebody up". And the end of the day, it was him who might be getting locked up.

BTW.....is DeSantis getting locked up? Not so you would notice.
 

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It has to be said, DeSantis is a known quantity in terms of whacking the bad guys. An attribute that Trump sorely lacks.
Trump ceaselessly jabbered about "lock somebody up". And the end of the day, it was him who might be getting locked up.

BTW.....is DeSantis getting locked up? Not so you would notice.
Yeah hit the nail right on the head. I would love his explanation on why he didn't go after Hilary as he teased in all his rallies. They are doing to him what he should have done to them. His hesitation has cost him dearly.
 
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A more interesting and to the point question would be 'What is YOUR vetted source for info on Trump?' besides all the leftist rhetoric that you seem to rely on.



Vetted is an interesting word and does not prove very much these days. It is often simply a buzzword for believe this lie instead of the other lie (or even truth) Remember Biden's little escapade into the wide world of vetting?

However, you are still able to vote for anyone at all and so is everyone else. We still have 2 parties last I checked...more or less anyway
CNN 😂😂😂
 

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Yeah hit the nail right on the head. I would love his explanation on why he didn't go after Hilary as he teased in all his rallies. They are doing to him what he should have done to them. His hesitation has cost him dearly.
Ultimately, Trump was whacked because he refused to sumbit to the $$$"perpetual war"$$$ doctrine. And it is undoubtedly true that the support he desired (and needed) did NOT arrive by the $$$bought and paid for$$$ RINOs.

Furthermore, the Trump regime was infinitely better that what we have now.

Blame the present horrific state of the union on election fraud that every yokel in the universe knows happened.
 

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You say that the democrats are using fascistic tactics?What Is your VETTED source for this allegation or Is this ALLEGATION just YOUR opinion that (Joe Biden Jack Smith and the DOJ) are using political tactics and BTW are you saying that Donald Trumps statements are true?

Donald Trump has been fact-checked many times and Is not credible so then using his statement as fact IMO would not be wise.
Here you go man. Vetted to infinity and beyond.....

 
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..She [Palin] is so embroiled in herself, there is no room for anyone else. Just my 'opinion' of course (not) :sneaky:
Sarah seemed ok by me, here she is brokenhearted after the American people deserted her and voted for Obama, don't you just wanna give her a great big hug?

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Sarah seemed ok by me, here she is brokenhearted after the American people deserted her and voted for Obama, don't you just wanna give her a great big hug?

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No. I don't.

They prob actually rejected McCain. It was a 2 for 1.

Back in the good ole days of the Tea Party party.
 

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This is how the mob and cults work.

Walk in lockstep, then you’re some of the best people,

Dissent from the leader.

Then you’re a betrayer, or Judas, and we we all of the sudden care about your past and use it against you.

They don’t think in terms of right and wrong, but instead in terms of loyalty and betrayal of the leader.
That’s how Trumpism works.
This is how a schizophrenic mind works. No surprise he's so confused on EVERYTHING.

Puts the likes of R.C. Sproul, Voddie Baucham, John MacArthur in with the likes of Benny Hinn, Sid Roth, Tim Keller, etc.. as his FAVORITE Pastors!!!

From his profile:
"Some of my favorite preachers are R.C. Sproul, John MacArthur, Paul Washer, Kat Kerr, Vodie Baucham, Todd Bentley, John Piper, Tim Keller, Benny Hinn, Dr. Joel Beeke, Justin Peters, Sid Roth, Beth Moore, Doug Wilson, Rick Warren,"
 
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This is how a schizophrenic mind works. No surprise he's so confused on EVERYTHING.

Puts the likes of R.C. Sproul, Voddie Baucham, John MacArthur in with the likes of Benny Hinn, Sid Roth, Tim Keller, etc.. as his FAVORITE Pastors!!!

From his profile:
"Some of my favorite preachers are R.C. Sproul, John MacArthur, Paul Washer, Kat Kerr, Vodie Baucham, Todd Bentley, John Piper, Tim Keller, Benny Hinn, Dr. Joel Beeke, Justin Peters, Sid Roth, Beth Moore, Doug Wilson, Rick Warren,"
I would think someone on team Have A Sense of Humor Don’t Be Uptight and Cancel Everything would be in on the joke.

Also even if it weren’t a joke, it wouldn’t disprove the post you’re responding to.

A man who is totally out of his mind could say the sun is yellowishorange, and that birds have wings, and he’d still be factually right. I’m sure you’re aware of all of the logical fallacies and have referenced them repeatedly In other debates. Please follow them here.

SmearAttempt=Failed.
 

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I would think someone on team Have A Sense of Humor Don’t Be Uptight and Cancel Everything would be in on the joke.

Also even if it weren’t a joke, it wouldn’t disprove the post you’re responding to.

A man who is totally out of his mind could say the sun is yellowishorange, and that birds have wings, and he’d still be factually right. I’m sure you’re aware of all of the logical fallacies and have referenced them repeatedly In other debates. Please follow them here.

SmearAttempt=Failed.
Reasonable dogs spread horseradish while flying inside the Pacific river.


There.

I have just made more sense than your Kamala Harrislike word salad!!
 
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Reasonable dogs spread horseradish while flying inside the Pacific river.


There.

I have just made more sense than your Kamala Harrislike word salad!!
Oh the old tactic of trying to smear someone and rebut their argument by acting like you can’t understand what they’re saying.

I’ve seen this on MSNBC’s Morning Joe for 8 years now whenever they try smearing the right. They just act like they have no idea what is being said.

Again

SmearAttempt=Failed.

Feel proud that you have something in common with Joe and Mika.
 

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I would think someone on team Have A Sense of Humor Don’t Be Uptight and Cancel Everything would be in on the joke.

Also even if it weren’t a joke, it wouldn’t disprove the post you’re responding to.

A man who is totally out of his mind could say the sun is yellowishorange, and that birds have wings, and he’d still be factually right. I’m sure you’re aware of all of the logical fallacies and have referenced them repeatedly In other debates. Please follow them here.

SmearAttempt=Failed.
Ok. Now I get it.

I watched "Prison Break" yrs ago, so your inane name rang a bell.

Something smells like you aint going to be here long. No need to address you further.

Just hope you are not mocking Christians and the Lord with your shenanigans.
 
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Ok. Now I get it.

I watched "Prison Break" yrs ago, so your inane name rang a bell.

Something smells like you aint going to be here long. No need to address you further.

Just hope you are not mocking Christians and the Lord with your shenanigans.
You haven’t substantively addressed anything I’ve said at all.

First you try disproving something by pointing to something else unrelated.
Second you try the old, tried and failed, I Just Can’t Understand Him tactic.

Now you’re back to smearing me for what? I’m not going to be around because I post things you don’t like?

Are you related to Zuckerberg, Fauci, and the old owners of Twitter?
 
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Ok. Now I get it.

I watched "Prison Break" yrs ago, so your inane name rang a bell.

Something smells like you aint going to be here long. No need to address you further.

Just hope you are not mocking Christians and the Lord with your shenanigans.
Petition the owner of this site to change your username from PennEd to CanncelCulturEd.

Seriously, you’re just like a lefty. Attempt to smear by avoiding an actual argument, then insinuating cancelation for posting dissenting opinions you don’t like.

Did Zuck and Fauci go to the PennEd playbook for what they tried in 2020?
 

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In the context of giving into the threats from the left about covid, he championed being a tough non-career politician who will act independently from what his base calls "the deep state". As it pertains to covid, big pharma has made a killing because of the safeguards Trump removed to expedite the "experimental vaccine". Some would say this was a big plus by the way... but those people believe the vaccine actually works and want to credit Biden instead of Trump for some reason. His base thinks it's either a kill shot or unnecessarily killing young and old people.

There is no doubt that if Trump could redo everything all over again, he would not give in to the fear from the left. Unfortunately, we don't always get to have redos. I'm grateful that DeSantis has done what he has done without creating excuses.
This is moving the goal post. I didn't bring up alternative ways to help or Trump encouraging people to take the vaccine but not mandate it. Don't get me wrong... I'm glad he didn't mandate it like Joe Biden. However, Joe Biden isn't the standard I would use to test if someone is a good candidate or not. Perhaps you're missing my point?
Big difference between being a Gov. and a president, as DeSantis is learning now. I think there are a whole lot of factors that Trump had to consider that looking back he might change. And I don't think it's fair to Monday morning quarter back that we would have known different. The Dems got in and held the lockdown far longer than it should have been.



God is playing His part. I never tried to stop God... I am merely restating what Trump answered when asked if he has ever asked God for forgiveness. I'm sorry if this upsets you; it isn't my intention. You tried to be a politician and change the topic towards his wife when that wasn't the context at all. I'm just trying to have a good faithed discourse with you about it.
I'm going to come at this another way. The first time vote was Trump vs Biden and it may come around to the same thing again. I don't know where Trump stands with God, if Biden has any faith it doesn't come in to play in his politics. So we look at one vs the other. Biden is for abortion at any stage in pregnancy and now even a newborn, that's infanticide. If we think God will stand by and allow that to happen, He won't. Biden is for gay marriage all the way, light up the WH. Biden is for transgenders, supports bearing breasts on the WH lawn. Biden is for transgender surgery for under age children. Biden is for open borders that is allowing sex trafficking to flourish. One woman has testified on the hill that one underage child had evidence within them of 67 different partners, that is beyond criminal, my dog has better sense than that. So maybe you can understand why I don't have a lot of tolerance for picking apart Trump when Biden supports all this. If these two run again, I don't know how a Christian can sit back and allow Biden to get into office again.

I agree. His walk with Christ is between him and God. I personally don't even care if he has ever committed adultery... But if you are going to tell the world of your whoredom (which he has publicly admitted in interviews of), I would prefer he be repentant if he claims to be a Christian. For many, it's a reasonable disqualifier.
I don't know what he claims or what his understanding is. Many people think if I'm a basically good person, I don't kill anyone, I don't hurt anyone, I do good works I'm on my way to heaven. I have a family member that was a new Christian and said to me "but they are a good person", I had to explain that it's not about good works it's about the cross and accepting Jesus as Savior. So I don't know his understanding. Biden hasn't either repented, so again, it's a matter of understanding.

Yup, Trump never implicated himself to underaged girls... only to liking young women and dating his daughter if he wasn't her father. The point is that he was bros with Epstein for 15+ years and doesn't get credit for identifying an alligator. He was an alligator well before this and it was even talked about on the down-low from their circles. The theme is that he's obviously attracted to degenerates his entire life... yet campaigned on cleaning the swamp by appointing alligators and having alligator friends.
Umm humm and Bidens daughter wrote of her father taking showers with her long beyond the age he should and wondered if that was the reason she was so "messed up" now. Trump was back handed in what he said in saying his daughter was beautiful. Bidens daughter comes out with that comment and no one blinks an eye. smh Like I say, rich people have all kinds of people in their circle. Clinton was on the island, no evidence that Trump ever was or that he knew the guy was messing with underage girls. Thats what made him an alligator.




You bet I am. This is why I vote and encourage people to do so as well. The problem is that people want to vote for the flashy flawed candidate that makes them laugh as opposed to someone who has extremely similar ideals but isn't so polarizing, controversial, or have as much baggage (DeSantis).
Polarizing? We don't need to be friends with the left. And they will find or make controversy with DeSantis, they are already saying he is worse than Trump. I think you highly underestimate the Dems.


This might sound like a funny comparison... I would compare Biden to a prostitute, Trump to a promiscuous woman, and DeSantis to a Proverbs 31 woman. If we were trying to select the right partner, a prostitute or a promiscuous woman wouldn't or shouldn't take the top of the list for single Christian men. It might be enticing... A Proverbs 31 woman would clearly be a better fit for any Christian man though.
That's fine, but what if it's the same two? What then?

Yes, the more the left attacks Trump, the more Trump gains support. There is a psychological reasoning for this though. People can vote (especially in a poll) emotionally. People could prefer DeSantis and also like Trump. When they see someone who they do like, maybe not as much as DeSantis, get treated unfairly, humans have a tendency to cheer the underdog. In fact, Trumps 2016 victory is entirely all about him being the underdog and prevailing. I have never been a big Trump supporter, but even I cheered when he beat Clinton in 2016. I will cheer him on the indictments as well as I don't think they are justified. But I'm not going to vote emotionally... I want to vote pragmatically and for the best candidate.
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And again, that's fine. But if we end up with the same two, how do you make the choice then? I've got to go get my day started, headed to FL for vacation. Have to clean my house because my MIL is going to be coming to babysit my German Shepard. I'll give DeSantis a good word for you if I see him ;)