Have i committed the what is described in Hebrews 10:26 please any help would be appreciated

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seekingthemindofChrist

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Not to start a whole debate about OSAS...
No disrespect intended, but neither you nor anybody else will ever convince me that "OSAS" is true. I have been a part of that debate elsewhere numerous times in the past, and I could easily refute any supposed proof texts to support that doctrine, but I know, from experience, that it is just a giant waste of time, so I will not comment further on what you just said.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Does anyone have any scriptures that will help this individual (or any individual faced with temptation) to battle their temptation(s)?
The op post back in 2020 and has never posted again. Its safe to say he aint around.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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All sin is willful. The very definition of sin requires the will. The scriltures state that as well," to him that knows to do good, but does not do it, to him it is sin".
And you find many scriptures that say things like, "If we say you have no sin we are a liar and the truth is not in us". "But of we comfess our sin, we have an advocate with the Father, who is just and righteous to forgive our sin".
Amd texts that says, "If one restores a brother who has sinned, he regains his brother".
The entire context of scripture has to be taken in to account together, along with the context of who that particular letter was written to.
 
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Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
James 5:19‭-‬20 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/jas.5.19-20.NKJV
 
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So today i masturbated after being set free months ago and i know if i fought harder i could have overcome them these past 2 days i started getting sexual temptations in my mind and didnt want to sin but wanted the thoughts sometimes and probably willingly as well thought some of them and i knew it was a sin and i shouldnt do it and felt bad before i did it and i also struggle with weak faith and unbelief so yeah im just a case for nothing any help would be apperciated
Hi Jxy. Let the person who has never masturbated cast the first stone. Don't worry, you're safe. All animals including humans are built to procreate. What happens in the body to induce this desire? For males, their is a build up of semen. How does this effect our consciousness? We get sexually aroused and our thoughts become sexual in nature. We get so overwhelmed that we need sexual release. So far this is all natural. It is like an itch that needs to be scratched. The choices are: marriage, sex outside of marriage, masturbation, or total abstinence.
In order to understand what really is going on spiritually, we first need to understand the two greatest commandments given by Jesus on which all the other commandments are based. The first is to love God with all your mind, heart, and soul. The second is to love everyone else ( including your enemies ) as you love yourself. This only happens when you are born again and receive the Holy Spirit who fills your heart with that love. We are all born defective because, from birth, our motivation for living is love of self. The Holy Spirit changes our motivation so that all our thoughts and actions are motivated by love for God and people. With this love we will be obeying the Spirit of the Law. 1 John 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is no occasion of stumbling in him.
In olden times there were no photos or videos so that this release for unmarried males was accomplished through fantasizing about women that they come in contact with. Matt 5: 28 But I say unto you that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
The only solution to this problem, especially for young Christian men, is to not look on any woman that he comes in contact with with lust because that would lead to adultery. At the same time, the itch needs to be scratched. You scratch the itch when you dispell your semen so that the urge is gone. If you must, hate the urge, direct it towards the right direction, and be quick. You can't commit adultery with someone that you will never meet.
Sorry if I offend anyone. I just want to be honest and real.
 

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Hi Jxy. Let the person who has never masturbated cast the first stone. Don't worry, you're safe. All animals including humans are built to procreate. What happens in the body to induce this desire? For males, their is a build up of semen. How does this effect our consciousness? We get sexually aroused and our thoughts become sexual in nature. We get so overwhelmed that we need sexual release. So far this is all natural. It is like an itch that needs to be scratched. The choices are: marriage, sex outside of marriage, masturbation, or total abstinence.
In order to understand what really is going on spiritually, we first need to understand the two greatest commandments given by Jesus on which all the other commandments are based. The first is to love God with all your mind, heart, and soul. The second is to love everyone else ( including your enemies ) as you love yourself. This only happens when you are born again and receive the Holy Spirit who fills your heart with that love. We are all born defective because, from birth, our motivation for living is love of self. The Holy Spirit changes our motivation so that all our thoughts and actions are motivated by love for God and people. With this love we will be obeying the Spirit of the Law. 1 John 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is no occasion of stumbling in him.
In olden times there were no photos or videos so that this release for unmarried males was accomplished through fantasizing about women that they come in contact with. Matt 5: 28 But I say unto you that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
The only solution to this problem, especially for young Christian men, is to not look on any woman that he comes in contact with with lust because that would lead to adultery. At the same time, the itch needs to be scratched. You scratch the itch when you dispell your semen so that the urge is gone. If you must, hate the urge, direct it towards the right direction, and be quick. You can't commit adultery with someone that you will never meet.
Sorry if I offend anyone. I just want to be honest and real.
Somehow, someone found this old thread and dug it up. The member that you just responded to has not been seen here for 2 1/2 years, so I doubt that he will ever see and read your comments.

Not that I plan on getting into a discussion on it, but some of your advice concerning masturbation is simply wrong in God's eyes.
 

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No disrespect intended, but neither you nor anybody else will ever convince me that "OSAS" is true. I have been a part of that debate elsewhere numerous times in the past, and I could easily refute any supposed proof texts to support that doctrine, but I know, from experience, that it is just a giant waste of time, so I will not comment further on what you just said.
None taken and no problem and I will leave it at that. However, the question I am left with in my mind anyway, and which I am not asking you to answer is how then can those who believe as you do - that salvation can be lost- yet claim to be Christians (if you do - then again maybe you don't) and that Christ is the Saviour? Anyway, thanks for your replies.
 

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None taken and no problem and I will leave it at that. However, the question I am left with in my mind anyway, and which I am not asking you to answer is how then can those who believe as you do - that salvation can be lost- yet claim to be Christians (if you do - then again maybe you don't) and that Christ is the Saviour? Anyway, thanks for your replies.
I believe that the answer to your question is found here, and in similar passages of scripture:

1 John 5:11-12

"And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."

Eternal life is in God's Son or in Jesus Christ.

If we abide and remain in him, then we have it.

If we do not abide in him or depart from him, then we do not have it.
 

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So today i masturbated after being set free months ago and i know if i fought harder i could have overcome them these past 2 days i started getting sexual temptations in my mind and didnt want to sin but wanted the thoughts sometimes and probably willingly as well thought some of them and i knew it was a sin and i shouldnt do it and felt bad before i did it and i also struggle with weak faith and unbelief so yeah im just a case for nothing any help would be apperciated
You are not understanding Hebrews and no, you did not violate the verses in question. It was written to newly converted jews a d relates to them reverting back to Judaism and rejecting Christ after having been lightened. The verse deals specifically with sacrifices for sin under the old covenant which after knowledge of the truth in Christ under the NT there is no more sacrifice for sins under the old. Read all of Hebrews in one sitting, slowly and carefully, and read also chapter 6 carefully noticing verses 4 thru 6.
 

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I believe that the answer to your question is found here, and in similar passages of scripture:

1 John 5:11-12

"And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."

Eternal life is in God's Son or in Jesus Christ.

If we abide and remain in him, then we have it.

If we do not abide in him or depart from him, then we do not have it.
You seem very pleasant and informed. But it always causes me to wonder how often a person who doesn't believe in eternal security has been saved. If it isn't too much trouble, can you share how many times you have been saved?
 

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You seem very pleasant and informed. But it always causes me to wonder how often a person who doesn't believe in eternal security has been saved. If it isn't too much trouble, can you share how many times you have been saved?
Just once, and I have never even looked back, let alone fallen back. That does not mean that nobody else throughout the course of history has not or could not.
 

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You seem very pleasant and informed. But it always causes me to wonder how often a person who doesn't believe in eternal security has been saved. If it isn't too much trouble, can you share how many times you have been saved?
Btw, I would not personally say that I do not believe in eternal security. Perhaps not in the way that you and certain others interpret it, but I do believe that I am eternally secure as long as I abide and remain in Christ. I mean, it is not like I am having anxiety attacks all day long. I happen to love Christ, and I have no desire whatsoever to depart from him.

If I may ask you a question in return, then I am curious as to why it seems odd that eternal security would be contingent upon abiding and remaining in Christ? I mean, is not our relationship with Christ compared to a marital covenant in scripture, with Christ being the Bridegroom, and the Christians making up his bride? If a bride departs from her bridegroom, is not the relationship broken? Do you understand what I am asking?
 

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What it boils down to is how a person understands the nature of salvation.

OSAS people see it very much as a mechanical formula; you say some words and pPresto, you're saved and it can never be reversed. But I don't see this reflected in scripture. There, it's more of an organic, ongoing process that doesn't reach completion until we die or the Lord returns.

I can't give numbers, but I can look back on a few times when I put my hand to the plow but looked back. I definitely wasn't in Christ; and if I would've died I wouldn't have been at all confident I would've heard: "Well done."
 

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What it boils down to is how a person understands the nature of salvation.

OSAS people see it very much as a mechanical formula; you say some words and pPresto, you're saved and it can never be reversed. But I don't see this reflected in scripture. There, it's more of an organic, ongoing process that doesn't reach completion until we die or the Lord returns.

I can't give numbers, but I can look back on a few times when I put my hand to the plow but looked back. I definitely wasn't in Christ; and if I would've died I wouldn't have been at all confident I would've heard: "Well done."
There you go. Putting one's hand to the plow, and then simply looking back, makes one unfit for the kingdom of God (Luke 9:62) according to Jesus. Similarly, one can begin building a tower, and after having laid the foundation, which is Christ, have insufficiency to finish it. One can also enter into the spiritual battle, and then send out an ambassage while desiring to make peace with his enemy (Satan), and salt can lose its saltiness and not even be fit for the dunghill (Luke 14:28-35). Jesus did not believe in "OSAS", and neither do I.
 

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Btw, I would not personally say that I do not believe in eternal security. Perhaps not in the way that you and certain others interpret it, but I do believe that I am eternally secure as long as I abide and remain in Christ. I mean, it is not like I am having anxiety attacks all day long. I happen to love Christ, and I have no desire whatsoever to depart from him.

If I may ask you a question in return, then I am curious as to why it seems odd that eternal security would be contingent upon abiding and remaining in Christ? I mean, is not our relationship with Christ compared to a marital covenant in scripture, with Christ being the Bridegroom, and the Christians making up his bride? If a bride departs from her bridegroom, is not the relationship broken? Do you understand what I am asking?
Thanks for sharing. What is your definition of eternal life and is there anything that can separate you from the love of God?
 

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Thanks for sharing. What is your definition of eternal life and is there anything that can separate you from the love of God?
My definition of eternal life is Christ's definition of eternal life:

John 17:3

"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

Eternal life is found in knowing God and Christ, and this "knowing" is not just some sort of mental assent or acknowledgement of their existence. If it were, then even the demons would be saved because they believe in God in that manner (James 2:19-20). Instead, this "knowing" speaks of an intimate relationship between two parties, as in a man and his wife "knowing" each other intimately, or where the two become one. In the case of the Christian and Christ, this oneness must be a oneness in spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:17

"But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit."

If we were to continue on reading Christ's prayer as is recorded in the 17th chapter of the gospel of John, then we would see that this is the type of oneness that he was praying about, and, again, to answer your initial question, this is how I would define eternal life.

Which leads me back to my earlier question to you.

If, in the case of Christ and the Christian, this oneness ceases to exist, then do you not see how the relationship is broken?

As to your second question, which is derived from what Paul said in Romans chapter 8, if you keep on reading that same epistle, then you will find your answer.

Romans 11:16-22

"For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."

The same Apostle Paul, to whose words you alluded in your second question, went on to say that if we do not continue in God's goodness, then we shall be cut off.

Now, what do you suppose that means?

We both know what it means, and it has nothing to do with eternal security in the way that some people here are presenting it.
 

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Jesus did not believe in "OSAS",
What is your definition of eternal life and is there anything that can separate you from the love of God?
No disrespect intended, but neither you nor anybody else will ever convince me that "OSAS" is true.
Fair enough - we won't convince you, since that is not our calling. However, we
can only convince our own self, since that is who we will give an account for
speaking sound doctrine, Under God's Grace, which we believe is, Because of:

Christ's ALL-Sufficient Work On The Cross!

We now have, from God, His Eternal Life, Which He Establishes With the new believer,
Scripturally Confirmed By The LORD Jesus' Own Words, Given To Paul, our Grace apostle,
From Heaven:


God's OPERATION On all HIS New-born babes In Christ!

God's Eternal Assurance!

God's Eternal Life Insurance!

This Eternal Relationship Can Never 'be Broken!'

What can 'be broken' is our fellowship with Him, more here:

God's Simple Will!

Thus, we our own selves, are Convinced! Amen.

Precious friend, Please be Very Encouraged And Edified!
 

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There you go. Putting one's hand to the plow, and then simply looking back, makes one unfit for the kingdom of God (Luke 9:62) according to Jesus. Similarly, one can begin building a tower, and after having laid the foundation, which is Christ, have insufficiency to finish it. One can also enter into the spiritual battle, and then send out an ambassage while desiring to make peace with his enemy (Satan), and salt can lose its saltiness and not even be fit for the dunghill (Luke 14:28-35). Jesus did not believe in "OSAS", and neither do I.
Your understanding of those verses seems to suggest that one cannot again look forward and again be fit. What precludes someone from again looking forward and being fit?
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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Precious friend, Please be Very Encouraged And Edified!
I am always encouraged and edified in the Lord himself, but your post was a bit troubling, yet not even the least bit surprising. In other words, as has been customary with many others, outside of this forum and before you, over the years, you conveniently failed to address or refute any of the verses that I cited or alluded to. This is precisely why I hesitated to engage in this conversation initially because I know how this particular discussion inevitably goes.

Anyway, no bad blood or malice between us at my end, but this thread is not about 'OSAS", so I will just let it return to its original topic.
 

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The letter to Hebrews is specifically addressed to Jews. (Heb 1:1) Their
association with God is based upon the covenant that Moses' people agreed
upon with God per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

So: Heb 10:26 is meant to remind the Jews of Numbers 15:30-31 which
says:

"But the person, be he citizen or stranger, who acts defiantly reviles the
Lord; that person shall be cut off from among his people. Because he has
spurned the word of the Lord and violated His commandment, that person
shall be cut off-- he bears his guilt."

In other words: in order for Heb 10:26 and/or Num 15:30-31 to apply to
Jews who indulge in self gratification, it would have to be spelled out in their
covenant; which it isn't.

FAQ: Why do I feel so guilty about self gratification?

REPLY: In the beginning, Adam and his wife went about totally disrobed and
felt not the slightest pang of guilt over their appearance in full frontal nudity.
But just as soon as Adam tasted the forbidden fruit, their feelings about sex
and the human body were dramatically altered and they set to work
fashioning some rudimentary loin cloths to cover up their pelvic areas.

We today are indirect victims of that incident. Adam's actions made all of us
sensitive about sex and the human body whereas we could've been just as
innocent about all of it as they were before the fruit thingy.

FAQ: Was the fruit toxic?

REPLY: No, because Eve was the first to experiment with it and when she
did, nothing happened. She went right on no less exposed than before. It
wasn't till Adam tasted the fruit that Eve's conscience was altered.

FAQ: Why only Adam's tasting?

REPLY: It was apparently God's decision that if sin was to come into the
world, it would be due to a lone male's actions just as righteousness would
come into the world via a lone male's actions. (Rom 5:12-21)
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