Luke 1

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Luke 15

Tax collectors and sinners listen to Jesus and the Pharisees and the scribes speak against him. So Jesus tells a parable of a man who has 100 sheep, on losing one of them will leave the others and looks for the one missing. When he founds it he rejoices and he tells everybody. Same for a woman who has ten drachmas and losing one searches carefully till she finds it and then she tells everybody. Same for a man with two sons and the younger asks his father for the share of the property and goes away and wastes the money. When he has lost everything and he doesn’t know what to do, he decides to go back to his father. When he sees his son, he rejoices and makes a feast in his honor. When his older son comes back from work he becomes angry because he has always worked for his father who has never organized a feast in his honor. But his father explains to him that his younger brother was dead but has come to life.
The parable in Luke 15:3 to 15:32 is traditionally viewed as three parables (the lost Sheep, Lost Coin and Parable Son) But it appears from Luke 15:3, 15:8 and 15:11 that Luke 15:3 to 15:32 is actually one parable (with 3 branches). Anyone care to comment?
 

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- Jesus answers the Pharisees and scribes!
- A shepherd ans his sheep!
- A woman and her money
- A father and his two sons!
- He could have given one example but he gave three!
- It enhances their real nature:
- Stupid!
- Primitive!
- Basic!
- Selfish!
- Only looking for power!
- Only interested in themselves!
- They don't care about people!
- In fact, it is the same with man!
- He always looks at the surface!
- He never looks for what is inside!
- He could have taught men with stones!
- It would have been the same!
- Here he used three layers!
- Two simple examples supplemented by a deeper one!
- Yah.weh and Jesus care for people!
- But don't misunderstand Jesus!
- When he comes back, he will execute his father's will!
- He will fight against mankind and all those who oppose his Father's will!
- Everything has its time!
- The Israelites had their time but they didn't listen!
- They were destroyed!
- When time is over, it will be the same with mankind!
 
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Yes Jesus is addressing the Pharisees and teachers of the Law. And perhaps He uses a three part parable because they did not seem to understand the short answer given in Luke 5:31-32.

And about that shepherd and his sheep. Jesus asks, "Doesn't he leave the 99 in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it?" The reasonable answer to this is no. Who would leave a bunch of sheep in the open country where they could wander off, be preyed on by lions/bears or stolen? I get that a shepherd would go after the a lost sheep but not at the risk of losing the rest of his flock? Maybe there was an under shepherd but Jesus was deliberately vague on what if any provisions had been made to protect the rest of the flock. I can just see the wheels turning in the minds of the Pharisees/Teachers calculating the potential loss of 99 sheep!

At any rate shepherd finds the lost sheep and then celebrates with friends. And here's the kicker, Jesus says in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than 99 righteous persons who do not need to repent. That must have ticked off the Pharisees and teachers of the Law who saw themselves as righteous and would not take kindly to playing second fiddle to a sinner (even a repentant sinner). But does the Bible support the existence of 99 persons who are righteous? I don't think so. If that is the case then there is more rejoicing over one repentant sinner than 99 righteous persons because there is no rejoicing in Heaven over persons who like the Pharisees and teachers of the Law think they are righteous in their own right. There is only One righteous - that is Jesus, the Lamb of God, our righteousness to those who believe.
 

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Yes Jesus is addressing the Pharisees and teachers of the Law. And perhaps He uses a three part parable because they did not seem to understand the short answer given in Luke 5:31-32.

And about that shepherd and his sheep. Jesus asks, "Doesn't he leave the 99 in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it?" The reasonable answer to this is no. Who would leave a bunch of sheep in the open country where they could wander off, be preyed on by lions/bears or stolen? I get that a shepherd would go after the a lost sheep but not at the risk of losing the rest of his flock? Maybe there was an under shepherd but Jesus was deliberately vague on what if any provisions had been made to protect the rest of the flock. I can just see the wheels turning in the minds of the Pharisees/Teachers calculating the potential loss of 99 sheep!

At any rate shepherd finds the lost sheep and then celebrates with friends. And here's the kicker, Jesus says in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than 99 righteous persons who do not need to repent. That must have ticked off the Pharisees and teachers of the Law who saw themselves as righteous and would not take kindly to playing second fiddle to a sinner (even a repentant sinner). But does the Bible support the existence of 99 persons who are righteous? I don't think so. If that is the case then there is more rejoicing over one repentant sinner than 99 righteous persons because there is no rejoicing in Heaven over persons who like the Pharisees and teachers of the Law think they are righteous in their own right. There is only One righteous - that is Jesus, the Lamb of God, our righteousness to those who believe.
- Yes!
- The 99 persons are important because they are active!
- But everyone who wants to do his part is welcome!
- We may remember Yah.weh telling Cain to change of attitude!
- But he refused!
- He was obstinate!
- And Yah.weh gives us time!
- But this time is getting shorter and shorter as we can see this world fading and becoming mummified!
 
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- Yes!
- The 99 persons are important because they are active!
- But everyone who wants to do his part is welcome!
- We may remember Yah.weh telling Cain to change of attitude!
- But he refused!
- He was obstinate!
- And Yah.weh gives us time!
- But this time is getting shorter and shorter as we can see this world fading and becoming mummified!
Active? How so?

Not clear to me what Cain has to do with this parable. Please clarify.
 

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Active? How so?

Not clear to me what Cain has to do with this parable. Please clarify.
- When Jesus and the apostles were alive, all the Christians used to share all the activities and in particular they were eager to defend their faith and tell people about the Bible!
- As corruption spread, as Jesus and the apostles had told, it turned into something which had nothing to do with Jesus' teachings!
- Cain was the first man Yah.weh told to change of attitude!
- The majority of Pharisees and scribes didn't!
- Think about the son who comes back and acknowledged his mistake!
- have a look
 

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- Have a look at Revelation chapter 2 and 3!
- Think about Revelation 3:19:
Those
ὅσους (hosous)
Personal / Relative Pronoun - Accusative Masculine Plural
Strong's 3745: How much, how great, how many, as great as, as much. By reduplication from hos; as As.

I
ἐγὼ (egō)
Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Nominative 1st Person Singular
Strong's 1473: I, the first-person pronoun. A primary pronoun of the first person I.

love,
φιλῶ (philō)
Verb - Present Subjunctive Active - 1st Person Singular
Strong's 5368: From philos; to be a friend to (an individual or an object), i.e. Have affection for; specially, to kiss.

I rebuke
ἐλέγχω (elenchō)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 1st Person Singular
Strong's 1651: (a) I reprove, rebuke, discipline, (b) I expose, show to be guilty. Of uncertain affinity; to confute, admonish.

and
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.

discipline.
παιδεύω (paideuō)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 1st Person Singular
Strong's 3811: From pais; to train up a child, i.e. Educate, or, discipline.

Therefore
οὖν (oun)
Conjunction
Strong's 3767: Therefore, then. Apparently a primary word; certainly, or accordingly.

be earnest
ζήλευε (zēleue)
Verb - Present Imperative Active - 2nd Person Singular
Strong's 2206: From zelos; to have warmth of feeling for or against.

and
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.

repent.
μετανόησον (metanoēson)
Verb - Aorist Imperative Active - 2nd Person Singular
Strong's 3340: From meta and noieo; to think differently or afterwards, i.e. Reconsider.
 

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78) Jesus vs the religious leaders

Luke 22

  • Once again, Jesus teaches his disciples not to be the first but to minister the others!
  • And he makes a covenant with his disciples just as his father made a covenant with him so they will sit on thrones in his kingdom to judge people!
  • Before the sanhedrin he says he will sit at the right hand of Yah.weh!
 
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- Yes!
- The 99 persons are important because they are active!
- But everyone who wants to do his part is welcome!
- We may remember Yah.weh telling Cain to change of attitude!
- But he refused!
- He was obstinate!
- And Yah.weh gives us time!
- But this time is getting shorter and shorter as we can see this world fading and becoming mummified!
Yes you are correct that Jesus and the apostles/early believers were active witnesses. But you are assuming the parable's reference to "99 righteous persons" is about them. Given the primary audience is the Pharisees and teachers of the Law and the description at the end of verse seven, that the "99 righteous persons" do not need to repent." it does not appear to be so.
 
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Why are you digging up your old posts JLG and basically monopolizing the BDF?

Frankiy I am surprised the mods would let you do that. You knock current threads to the back and dig up old op's of yours from 2021.

Bit over the top I would think and pretty selfish.
 
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Why are you digging up your old posts JLG and basically monopolizing the BDF?

Frankiy I am surprised the mods would let you do that. You knock current threads to the back and dig up old op's of yours from 2021.

Bit over the top I would think and pretty selfish.
LJG didn't dig this up I did - I'm new and just learning the system - my apologies.
 
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LJG didn't dig this up I did - I'm new and just learning the system - my apologies.
OK....thanks for letting me know

Did you dig up all the other threads from him also?
 

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Yes you are correct that Jesus and the apostles/early believers were active witnesses. But you are assuming the parable's reference to "99 righteous persons" is about them. Given the primary audience is the Pharisees and teachers of the Law and the description at the end of verse seven, that the "99 righteous persons" do not need to repent." it does not appear to be so.
- In fact, I'm not assuming anything!
- I'm just speaking about the context!
- I can speak about Israel and the faithful ones and the unfaithful ones!
- And the faithful ones were active ones and the unfaithful ones inactive!
- Or followers of Jesus and non-followers of Jesus!
 

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Why are you digging up your old posts JLG and basically monopolizing the BDF?

Frankiy I am surprised the mods would let you do that. You knock current threads to the back and dig up old op's of yours from 2021.

Bit over the top I would think and pretty selfish.
- You say dig up!
- Thus you miss something essential!
- The more you study, the more you learn!
- You can study a text many times and there is always something you miss!
- There is always something new to learn!
- Otherwise you study the Bible once and that's it!
- Yah.weh's wisdom has nothing to do with man's wisdom!
- There are always different views, it depends where you are!
- I am completely different from when I started publishing on the internet!
- You say selfish when someone tries to speak about what he learns!
- That's a strange way to say things!
- Maybe you should dig a bit more the Bible!
- Maybe you should study the Bible a bit more!
- People are still reading this thread and it is only a small one!
- So maybe you should think a bit more before writing!
- Moreover, people keep reacting to this thread!
- This proves you are wrong!
- You say monopolizing, I say encouraging other people to write regularly!
- But I don't think you understand that!
- You say monopolizing, it's funny!
- I used to write only on this site!
- It is not the case anymore!
- It is only a small part of my activity on the internet!
- Thus when you say monopolizing, you are rude to others because you imply they don't write enough!
 

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LJG didn't dig this up I did - I'm new and just learning the system - my apologies.
- You don't need to apologize!
- On the contrary, you must be praised because you show your interest in the matter!
- That's why I'm digging up!
- Moreover, there is no system!
- You must feel free to express yourself!
- It doesn't matter what the others think!
- Because when you participate, it encourages people to think about the ideas you give!
- And it is valuable!
- Even if not everybody understands that!
 
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- In fact, I'm not assuming anything!
- I'm just speaking about the context!
- I can speak about Israel and the faithful ones and the unfaithful ones!
- And the faithful ones were active ones and the unfaithful ones inactive!
- Or followers of Jesus and non-followers of Jesus!
On the context thing I disagree. But thank you for your response
 
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- You say dig up!
- Thus you miss something essential!
- The more you study, the more you learn!
- You can study a text many times and there is always something you miss!
- There is always something new to learn!
- Otherwise you study the Bible once and that's it!
- Yah.weh's wisdom has nothing to do with man's wisdom!
- There are always different views, it depends where you are!
- I am completely different from when I started publishing on the internet!
- You say selfish when someone tries to speak about what he learns!
- That's a strange way to say things!
- Maybe you should dig a bit more the Bible!
- Maybe you should study the Bible a bit more!
- People are still reading this thread and it is only a small one!
- So maybe you should think a bit more before writing!
- Moreover, people keep reacting to this thread!
- This proves you are wrong!
- You say monopolizing, I say encouraging other people to write regularly!
- But I don't think you understand that!
- You say monopolizing, it's funny!
- I used to write only on this site!
- It is not the case anymore!
- It is only a small part of my activity on the internet!
- Thus when you say monopolizing, you are rude to others because you imply they don't write enough!
So when did CC say you can be the site teacher?
 
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- You don't need to apologize!
- On the contrary, you must be praised because you show your interest in the matter!
- That's why I'm digging up!
- Moreover, there is no system!
- You must feel free to express yourself!
- It doesn't matter what the others think!
- Because when you participate, it encourages people to think about the ideas you give!
- And it is valuable!
- Even if not everybody understands that!
It very much matters what others think because this not your private go to platform.