One Baptism

[Everlasting-Grace]

There are actually many baptisms. In Fact Baptzo (A greek word) is a well used verb in the greek language, it is found in much of the literature of the day

Even in scripture. their is much use for baptism.

ceremonial washings
The baptism of John
Christian baptism
The baptism that Jesus said he would be baptized with. and told the disciples (and us) we would be baptized with also (the cross)

the point of Ephesians is there is only one baptism that matters.

and it is NOT water baptism. Water baptism (like circumcision) is done by men, and they bothj represent the spiritual cleansing that a child of God receives through the baptism that is performed by God himself (col 2)

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Do you believe baptism in the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost is also valid?

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That will be “ valid “ always based on this

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬


But it’s important to understand the father isn’t a name it’s a title , the son isnt a name it’s a title , the holy ghost isn’t a name it’s a title

there’s one name of the father son and Holy Ghost

The name of the father son and holy ghost is the name singular we are baptized into

“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭19:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭22:16‬ ‭

jesus name isn’t “ the father the son and the Holy Ghost “ but The name is Jesus of the fulness of God

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The godhead is the father son and Holy Ghost in Christ is the father son and Holy Ghost

Jesus is the name above names and the only name that can save

“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You won’t find anyone in the Bible baptize ng anyone in “ the name of the father the son and holy ghost “ bit you’ll find everyone was baptized into one name

“Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father

. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:9-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the Christ is a title the father a title the son a title the spirit a title the Holy Ghost a title the good shepherd a title Ect but there’s one name that’s revealed to us in the gospel


so yes I believe when someone is baptized in heists name they are baptized in the name of the father son and Holy Ghost and yes baptism is always going to be valid and relevant and always mean what it says it means

that’s my belief

 

[WayneKCobb]

Hi, Komentaja,

There are four interesting facts that can be gleaned from Matthew 28:19-20!

First before anything else, they must become a disciple. A disciple is one that wants to learn.

Second, we see that Jesus commanded them to baptize the disciples that they were teaching. This means it must be water baptism as it is the only type of baptism that men can do. It is Jesus who baptizes in the Holy Spirit and that only happened twice.

Third, We are to baptize them (in, on, into) the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. I have notice that different translations use one of these three preposition al words. Let me give you the Greek for each one of these words. In (ev), on (epi) and into (eis). The prepositional Greek word is "eis", we are to baptize them "into' the name of . . . " Notice it is NOT into the name(s), plural, but into the name (singular). Of the nine conversion stories in the Book of Acts, four times people were baptized "into the name of the Lord Jesus". When we baptize people, we follow the example given by the apostles which they passed along to others like Philip in Acts 8.

Fourth, we are to continue to teach the disciples that we baptize.

Fifth, we are to do these four above things until the end of the world (age).

This also shows that the one baptism in Ephesians 4:5 has to be water baptism.

God bless you,
Wayne

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Hi, Komentaja,

There are four interesting facts that can be gleaned from Matthew 28:19-20!

First before anything else, they must become a disciple. A disciple is one that wants to learn.

Second, we see that Jesus commanded them to baptize the disciples that they were teaching. This means it must be water baptism as it is the only type of baptism that men can do. It is Jesus who baptizes in the Holy Spirit and that only happened twice.

Third, We are to baptize them (in, on, into) the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. I have notice that different translations use one of these three preposition al words. Let me give you the Greek for each one of these words. In (ev), on (epi) and into (eis). The prepositional Greek word is "eis", we are to baptize them "into' the name of . . . " Notice it is NOT into the name(s), plural, but into the name (singular). Of the nine conversion stories in the Book of Acts, four times people were baptized "into the name of the Lord Jesus". When we baptize people, we follow the example given by the apostles which they passed along to others like Philip in Acts 8.

Fourth, we are to continue to teach the disciples that we baptize.

Fifth, we are to do these four above things until the end of the world (age).

This also shows that the one baptism in Ephesians 4:5 has to be water baptism.

God bless you,
Wayne

There is a few problems with your list

First - before anything else they must become a disciple. that is true. But to be a true disciple one must already be saved. In order for one to be saved, they must already have been baptized into Christ (Rom 6, Gal 3) Baptized into his death (romans 6) Baptized into his body (1 Cor 12) and spiritually circumcised with the baptism not done with the hands of men (col 2) God is the only one who is capable of completing these actions. We call this the baptism of the Holy Spirit that John spoke of when he baptized in the wilderness (matt 3)

Second - Man can baptize into water. but they can not baptize us with the spiritual baptism that unites us with Christ. If you are not baptised with the HS, your not born again. your still lost.

Third - We baptise in water. I find it amazing that you will use this example. yet when it says we were baptised IN (eis) Christ. you try to make that be baptised in water.. Christ and water are not the same thing

Fourth - Yes, we are to continually teach and disciple each other..

Fifth - If we remove baptism of the spirit out of the equation and try to replace it with baptism in water. we are teaching a different gospel.

 

[DJT_47]

The one baptism is for certain water baptism.

 

[VARob]

The one baptism is for certain water baptism.

1 Cor 12:13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Do you believe baptism in the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost is also valid?

yep, because i know what the NAME of the Father-Son-Holy Spirit is.
Peter explained it in Acts!

 

[DJT_47]

1 Cor 12:13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

Yes, we're baptized INto the body of Christ and the process is by immersion in water which is where the contact is made. We become part of the body of Christ and the Spirit then dwells in us. And it is IN and not BY as reads the kjv.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

The one baptism is for certain water baptism.

How can you say this?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Yes, we're baptized INto the body of Christ and the process is by immersion in water which is where the contact is made. We become part of the body of Christ and the Spirit then dwells in us. And it is IN and not BY as reads the kjv.

it does not say water though. It says we were baptized INTO his body.

why do people see water when there is none?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

@Locoponydirtman I love it when I get a red X with no explanation.

just enforces my view is correct and strengthens me

 

[Locoponydirtman]

@Locoponydirtman I love it when I get a red X with no explanation.

just enforces my view is correct and strengthens me

The x just means, disagree. So it simply means that I dont agree with what ever it was that you said. Which i am sure i dont know anymore what it was that you said, that I disagree with. Im sure you have heard the opposition to your position a million times so why go over it.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

The way language works is that the normative meaning of a word is the intended use unless other wise specified. To remove the water from baptism is to remove the normative meaning of the word, which is to wash. It is normal to wash with water, there are a few exceptions where the word is used of the Holy Spirit or of fire. In those instances the qualifier is the word fire, or the Holy Spirit.
Also there is the rest of the context of scripture that establishes the normative use ofnthe word baptism. Its absolute presumltion and heresy to remove water from the word baptize.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Its a fairly safe bet that if someone says that theu had beans for dinner it wasn't coffee beans, or cocoa beans. Even if it were green beans they will normally specify via the qualifying adjective green. The qualifier is how you know they deviated from the normal meaning of the word.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

The way language works is that the normative meaning of a word is the intended use unless other wise specified. To remove the water from baptism is to remove the normative meaning of the word, which is to wash. It is normal to wash with water, there are a few exceptions where the word is used of the Holy Spirit or of fire. In those instances the qualifier is the word fire, or the Holy Spirit.
Also there is the rest of the context of scripture that establishes the normative use ofnthe word baptism. Its absolute presumltion and heresy to remove water from the word baptize.

this is in error.

Baptism is not a native english word. it is not even an english word. it is a transliteration of a greek word (Baptizo)

so using your example. we should use the normative meaning of the actual word (baptizo) which is not water.

The word is an action word

to say you were baptized into water means you were immersed or placed into water.

To say you were baptized into christ in the same notion means you were immersed or placed into Christ.

Making water part of the equation you would have to say one was baptized into water into christ. which makes no sense logically or gramatically

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Its a fairly safe bet that if someone says that theu had beans for dinner it wasn't coffee beans, or cocoa beans. Even if it were green beans they will normally specify via the qualifying adjective green. The qualifier is how you know they deviated from the normal meaning of the word.

You eat beans, if you say you eat beans you do not mean you ate corn.. so to say eating beans means you ate corn and beans does not make sense you ate beans no mention of water

in the same token, if your baptized in Christ, it does not mean you were baptized in water. saying you were baptized into water in Christ makes no sense, it says you were baptized into Christ.

Ate and Baptize are both actions verbs, you are doing something or some action is done to you.

If you say you ate beans, you do not add corn, because you did nto say you ate corn

if you say you were baptized into christ. you do not say you were baptized in water, because you did not say water.

 

[DJT_47]

How can you say this?

It's very simple. Look back at the original of NT baptism. John was baptizing in the Jordan River. The baptism of John is no different than the one described in Acts 2:38 except the later was n the name of Jesus Christ or in other words, by his authority, and for the remission of sins, to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, and to be added to the body of Christ which is his church. The Ethiopian eunuch was baptized in water. More can be said, but this is sufficient. Why would you NOT think it was immersion in water? If it's something other, it's so stated in the respective texts.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Its absolute presumltion and heresy to remove water from the word baptize.

Precious friend, you do realize, of course, That God Actually Has:

Thirteen Bible baptisms { and, some are Not water! }

Amen.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

You eat beans, if you say you eat beans you do not mean you ate corn.. so to say eating beans means you ate corn and beans does not make sense you ate beans no mention of water

in the same token, if your baptized in Christ, it does not mean you were baptized in water. saying you were baptized into water in Christ makes no sense, it says you were baptized into Christ.

Ate and Baptize are both actions verbs, you are doing something or some action is done to you.

If you say you ate beans, you do not add corn, because you did nto say you ate corn

if you say you were baptized into christ. you do not say you were baptized in water, because you did not say water.

Conflation

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Precious friend, you do realize, of course, That God Actually Has:

Thirteen Bible baptisms { and, some are Not water! }

Amen.

The ones that are not water have the qualifier present in The statement. Exame baptized by fire. Fire is the qualifier that indicates other means, in this case fire.
The normative means of baptism is by water.