"Let us make man"... Jesus was there in the beginning. Remember when the Jews asked him how could He know Abraham who had long been dead? Jesus claimed to be God when He said "I AM". The Jews knew this. They asked who He thought He was, claiming to be God.
problem related to praying in tongues
- Thread starter TheLearner
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
"Let us make man"... Jesus was there in the beginning. Remember when the Jews asked him how could He know Abraham who had long been dead? Jesus claimed to be God when He said "I AM". The Jews knew this. They asked who He thought He was, claiming to be God.
Yes, I know terms are bandied about here. That is why I'm trying to be clear that I am not attacking the person. And I don't cast the " you're not a Christian" phrase around either. But we both understand that the most foundational belief a Christian has is the trinity. I'm assuming there is a cult such as JWs involved and entrenched so as one cannot see the truth before their very eyes. As I said, that's very sad and I hope something will spark for them and open their understanding.
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
Phil 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
No, Jesus Christ did not sin. He was not born with the sin nature all the rest of us have. There is a reason Jesus' Father is God.. Jesus was born without sin and kept himself from sinning.
No.
Sorry, but
I have nothing against you either, or anyone else here, for that matter.
I have never denied what Jesus said.
Where? What Jesus DID say was that his Father is "the only true God" (John 17:3). Paul reiterated when he said "for us there is but one God, the Father" (1 Cor 8:6).
I think that people are blinded by their theology...
It's a religious word that Trinitarians use that is not found in the Bible.
They did not believe that Jesus Christ was who he was claiming to be, the Messiah.
In chapter 10 they say it was because He made Himself equal to God. How do you understand this?
God was speaking to those who were there with Him. Angels.
I have explained my understanding of "ego eimi" before.
Being the Messiah, the Son of God, Jesus spoke with the backing and authority of God. In that sense they said Jesus made himself equal to God.
Because they believed the promised Messiah was God Himself? I don't fully understand your meaning.
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
^
even Isaiah said the Messiah is called Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Wonderful Counselor, Prince of Peace [Father-Son-Holy Spirit wrapped into One]
probably why John and Paul said Jesus had the Full/Complete Deity within Him!
to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
^
even Isaiah said the Messiah is called Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Wonderful Counselor, Prince of Peace [Father-Son-Holy Spirit wrapped into One]
probably why John and Paul said Jesus had the Full/Complete Deity within Him!
No, the Messiah was never prophesied to be God, or "God in the flesh."
I'm not sure how else to say it. They knew that when the Messiah came that he would be God's representative on earth, that he would represent God, and speak with the authority and backing of God. A person who represents God and speaks with the authority and backing of God could be considered to be "equal" to God. Jesus Christ is God's Messiah who was prophesied to come. The Jews didn't believe him.
Gotcha.
How do you explain the description of the Messiah in Isaiah 9 quoted above?
That is incorrect. Actually the Jewish rabbis before Christ had concluded from the OT Scriptures that Messiah would be divine. Here is a glimpse of that:
"It has often been observed that before the time of Christ, there were two types of Messianic expectation among the Jews. According to one type, the Messiah was to be a king of David’s line; according to the other, he was to be a heavenly being suddenly appearing in the clouds of heaven to judge the world.
The Messiah, according to the Old Testament, is clearly to be a supernatural person, and he is clearly possessed of attributes that are truly divine.
Both of these types of later Jewish expectation are rooted in the Old Testament. The Old Testament represents the Messiah both as a king of David’s line and also as a supernatural person to appear with the clouds of heaven. The former of these two representations appears, for example, in the seventh chapter of Second Samuel, where a never-ending line of kings to be descended from David is promised; and it appears even more clearly in the passages where the coming of one supreme king of David’s line is promised. The latter of the two representations appears, for example, in the seventh chapter of Daniel, where a mysterious person “like a son of man” is seen, in the prophet’s vision, in the presence of the “Ancient of Days”—a mysterious person to whom is given a universal and everlasting dominion (Dan 7:13).These two types of Messianic expectation in the Old Testament are by no means sharply distinguished from one another. When we examine closely the expected king of David’s line, we find that he is to be far more than an ordinary earthly king; we find that he has distinctly supernatural attributes: and, on the other hand, the supernatural figure of the seventh chapter of Daniel is by no means separate from Israel but appears as the representative of the Old Testament people of God.
This possession of both divine and human attributes by the Messiah appears with particular clearness in the ninth chapter of Isaiah. There the coming deliverer is spoken of as one who shall sit upon the throne of David. Yet his kingdom is to be everlasting, and he himself is actually called “Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace” (Isa 9:6). There we have the deity of the coming Messiah presented in the Old Testament in so many words."
https://faculty.wts.edu/posts/the-divinity-of-the-messiah/
God said, Let US make man in OUR IMAGE , after our likeness...
The angels helped make man? Again, when you go by opinions other than what the Word says you run into heresy.
No, He made Himself equal with God because He said He was God. I AM. The Jews knew what he was saying and what he was claiming.
this guy is a youtube preacher that no one else recognizes as legit. why would you follow his interpretation?
John Schoenheit
Yes, that is what God said.
I think in some capacity, yes.
Where does the Word say that Genesis 1:26 is the Trinity speaking to themselves?
Also, do you have a response here: https://christianchat.com/threads/problem-related-to-praying-in-tongues.210844/post-5112093 where you claimed the Bible did not say that Jesus Christ was glorified and highly exalted by God?
I appreciate the source material. I generally like to hear what someone believes in their own words. If you are not so inclined I do want to thank you for sharing as you have.