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ThereRoseaLamb said:
You know I never tell a person they are not a Christian. Only two occasions I will say such a thing,

1. When a person is clearly an atheist and denying Christ
2. When a person is in a cult/heresy and denies the Word

I don't it lightly, it's not a charge I throw around because a person disagrees with me or what denomination I attend. I think it's a very thing to say and I don't say it out of malice. I don't play head games like you all do here in the BDF. Here are the facts;

1. Jesus Himself claimed to be God.
2. The Jews tried to stone Him for the blasphemy of claiming to be God.
3. Jesus accepted worship only due God.
4. Thomas called Him "My Lord and my God.

Those are Bible facts; there is no way to deny them, there in black and white. Jesus is God.
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You did a very nice job in your post. But there are those here who, when the hot-button types are talked about, will demand you agree with them and, if not, will tell you you are calling God a liar, the Bible, Jesus, and whoever else they will name.

The Deity of Christ and the Trinity are two hot topics.

When you present the Bible truth, if you pay to look, most will result to insults or try to dismiss what you say but saying things like " I'm done with this, no sense in arguing, etc..

They have a religious spirit. And very Judgemental. We are to avoid these types it makes the Furious., drive them to mock, scoff and name call.
 
Christ as always been. "Before Abraham was, I AM."


Jesus is eternal because only an Eternal God can give Eternal life. You cannot give what you do not possess.
 
CS1 said:
You did a very nice job in your post. But there are those here who, when the hot-button types are talked about, will demand you agree with them and, if not, will tell you you are calling God a liar, the Bible, Jesus, and whoever else they will name.

The Deity of Christ and the Trinity are two hot topics.

When you present the Bible truth, if you pay to look, most will result to insults or try to dismiss what you say but saying things like " I'm done with this, no sense in arguing, etc..

They have a religious spirit. And very Judgemental. We are to avoid these types it makes the Furious., drive them to mock, scoff and name call.
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This is quite true. Look at who has been calling who names.
 
Cameron143 said:
What does...except in God's plan...mean?
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God promised to send a Messiah in Gen 3:15. That was God's plan. That promise/plan was not fulfilled until God caused Mary to conceive. Jesus Christ was "slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev 13:8) in God's plan.
 
The_Watchers_2017 said:
if you're referring to me, my job in God is not what cs1 job is in God. He's an associate pastor, i am a False Doctrine Murderer. we all have our Position in God.
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I thought that position belonged to @ResidentAlien... :)

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

We should all strive to do that.
 
The_Watchers_2017 said:
if you're referring to me, my job in God is not what cs1 job is in God. He's an associate pastor, i am a False Doctrine Murderer. we all have our Position in God.
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I don't think I ever called you a false Doctrine or murderer.

I think I have disagreed and have said what some and maybe even you was unbiblical as far as I see it. And there are false teaching that one holds to or errors but that doesn't mean one is not saved.

I think some need to understand the following in biblical interpretation:
people can be:


  • unlearned
  • ignorant
  • in error
  • hold to a false teaching


Many of those above one can still be saved and in all of them.

It is when one moves into :

  • deceptive meaning knows it wrong but uses it to teach for self-gain or control of others
  • abandoned the faith apostasy
  • Spirit of Anti-Christ

Some will jump right into the latter and send you strait to hell.
 
VARob said:
God promised to send a Messiah in Gen 3:15. That was God's plan. That promise/plan was not fulfilled until God caused Mary to conceive. Jesus Christ was "slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev 13:8) in God's plan.
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I'm merely asking when did Jesus begin to be or exist. I believe for you that is in conception in the womb.
So you believe when Jesus said...before Abraham was, I am...you believe He was merely being foreshadowed?
 
CS1 said:
I don't think I ever called you a false Doctrine or murderer.

I think I have disagreed and have said what some and maybe even you was unbiblical as far as I see it. And there are false teaching that one holds to or errors but that doesn't mean one is not saved.

I think some need to understand the following in biblical interpretation:
people can be:


  • unlearned
  • ignorant
  • in error
  • hold to a false teaching


Many of those above one can still be saved and in all of them.

It is when one moves into :

  • deceptive meaning knows it wrong but uses it to teach for self-gain or control of others
  • abandoned the faith apostasy
  • Spirit of Anti-Christ

Some will jump right into the latter and send you strait to hell.
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No, you are a Great Man of God in my Discernment and never done me wrong. i was just saying what God has purposed us for and we both don't always have the same Role in God.
 
VARob said:
He's still a man, although he has been glorified and highly exalted by God.
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No, I'm sorry the Bible doesn't say that.

VARob said:
Jesus did not have the sin nature that the rest of us, being descended from Adam, have.
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Yes, He did. If He's merely human like each of us, then He would sin like the rest of us, just as Mary did. Mary needed a Savoir, are you intimating that Jesus did? See? That's where you get when you follow your logic.

VARob said:
Sigh... I have never, and would never, call Jesus Christ a liar.
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I have nothing personal against you. I have agreed with your posts before. I am not trying to zest you, I have no dog in this fight. But friend you call Jesus a liar when you deny what He said. Jesus claimed to be God. You can't settle that any other way. I don't see what is blinding you about this, it's sad.
 
Cameron143 said:
I'm merely asking when did Jesus begin to be or exist.
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At his conception.

I believe for you that is in conception in the womb.
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Yes.

So you believe when Jesus said...before Abraham was, I am...you believe He was merely being foreshadowed?
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I believe Jesus was claiming to be the Messiah that was promised to come since before Abraham. Abraham "rejoiced to see Jesus' day," he knew the Messiah would come.
 
VARob said:
At his conception.


Yes.


I believe Jesus was claiming to be the Messiah that was promised to come since before Abraham. Abraham "rejoiced to see Jesus' day," he knew the Messiah would come.
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I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions.
Do you have an opinion on why the Jews would understand His words made Him blasphemous and were ready to stone Him in John 8.
 
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