Is personal prophecy scriptural?
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Join the club. You must've made too much sense in a post. 
To carry this further: just because someone prophesies that doesn't make them a prophet. The seven spirits of God are in and throughout the House of God:
“John, To the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, and from Jesus Christ . . .”
“To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God . . .”
“From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God.”
“Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.”
The spirits are named in Isaiah 11: The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD.”
They are:
1) The Spirit of lordship (rule)
2) wisdom
3) understanding
4) counsel
5) power
6) knowledge
7) the fear of the Lord
These are common characteristics of the sons of God in the House of God. Common because the nature of sons is the nature of the father.
How does one know what job to take if not for the Spirits of knowledge and wisdom? How does one know the course of one's life if not for the Spirits of understanding and wisdom? How would we recognize our elders if not for the Spirit of Lordship and counsel? How would we come the to the Lord if not for the fear of the Lord. How could we stand against the enemy if not for the Spirit of power?
Those who take the Bible as a rule book are the harshest people; lacking grace of any measure; abusers of men and women. Haters of joy. They do not know the Father. These are the ones who find purpose in cursing the darkness. The enemy is content to leave them alone because they serve his purposes: fearing the darkness rather than being the light of the world.
To carry this further: just because someone prophesies that doesn't make them a prophet. The seven spirits of God are in and throughout the House of God:
“John, To the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, and from Jesus Christ . . .”
“To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God . . .”
“From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God.”
“Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.”
The spirits are named in Isaiah 11: The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD.”
They are:
1) The Spirit of lordship (rule)
2) wisdom
3) understanding
4) counsel
5) power
6) knowledge
7) the fear of the Lord
These are common characteristics of the sons of God in the House of God. Common because the nature of sons is the nature of the father.
How does one know what job to take if not for the Spirits of knowledge and wisdom? How does one know the course of one's life if not for the Spirits of understanding and wisdom? How would we recognize our elders if not for the Spirit of Lordship and counsel? How would we come the to the Lord if not for the fear of the Lord. How could we stand against the enemy if not for the Spirit of power?
Those who take the Bible as a rule book are the harshest people; lacking grace of any measure; abusers of men and women. Haters of joy. They do not know the Father. These are the ones who find purpose in cursing the darkness. The enemy is content to leave them alone because they serve his purposes: fearing the darkness rather than being the light of the world.
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Hey, thanks for responding. You ask some good questions. (Hope you enjoyed your vacation, top!)
(A) ”The purpose of prophecy today isn’t new Biblical Word or anything that is in opposition to the written Word already revealed.”
If there is no point connected with revealing and confirming Gods message (Eph3:3-4; Mark16:20) then why is it needed? What is it that we need or seek beyond Gods complete guide (2Tim3:16-17)? Does God do things without purpose?
(B) “Why do think that prophecy contradicts the word by default?”
God says He is not revealing more today beyond that completed work of revealed truth, the scriptures (1Cor13:8-13; 2Tim3:16-17). Therefore, there are no modern prophecies from God.
(C) “ Why do we think this ended? It didn’t .”
First Cor.13:8-13 describes the work of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth Jn16:13. Jesus sent Him to reveal “all truth.”. When that was completed (literally what the world “perfect” means in1Cor13, then prohoecies were to be done away. God said they would end. Should we not believe God?
Also, God says He works today compared to past times:
Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
In the past He spoke in diverse ways, directly to people through living prophets. Now that has come to an end. Now it is through Jesus.
Jesus chose apostles, through whom to give commandments, guided by the Holy Spirit Acts 1:2
Hearing them, is hearing Christ Luke 10:16
Paul said what he wrote is the command of Jesus 1Cor 14:37, so even though they are not on the earth, their fruit abides (the message) Jn15:16
Paul said those who even preach “another” gospel are cursed, even if they claimed to receive it from an angel or an apostle…. Gal1:6-9
God has expressly said that living prophets will not be how He communicates today. That is why a claim of modern prophecy contradicts the Bible.
(D) “Jesus even spoke to Saul/laterPaul and Ananias in this way…”
The word had to inititally be revealed as Jesus promised Jn16:13
When that word was revealed completely, prophecies were to end 1Cor13:8-13
The word has been written, and makes complete 2Tim3:16-17, therefore the word is given completely
Thus, the Spirit’s work has been “once for all” accomplished Jude 3, just like Christ’s sacrifice “once for all” is accomplished Heb10:10. Does Christ’s sacrifice need to be repeated? Ongoing? No. Nor does the Spirit’s work
(E) “…the life application is when you are faced with a pressing life issue where a decision has to be made. Do you tell the situation to wait while you go and study the Written word before you make even the slightest decisions? Go left go right? Go up a rickety ladder or wait? Can you possibly have time to be directly instructed by the written Word in the moment by moment decisions of your life? Do you carry a pocket Bible with you and consult it while in the heat of verbal conflict with another person? I bet you don’t.“
The scriptures make the man of God complete 2Tim3:16-17
Your argument suggests that the scriptures do not make a person complete.
I have the word written on my heart/mind . Heb 10:16
That is accomplished by reading it Eph3:3-4
I constantly also carry a pocket NT Bible with me. The armor of God is how God strengths & guides me Eph6
If I don’t know an answer while discussing, I just say so. I will have to study, look it up, find out.
after all, seek and ye shall find Mt7:7, right? All things for life and godliness are revealed in the gospel 2Pet1:3
God has all the answers.
(F) “We can be guided by the spirit of our living God within us to say what we need to say in tough conversations.“
I am guided by God’s Spirit.
He revealed the “law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus” (the gospel) Rom8:2
I read it and apply it in order to have the “mind of the Spirit” Rom8:5-8
Thus, I am led by the Spirit and the Spirit dwells in me Rom 8:9,14
(G) “We can be guided by the spirit of our living God within us to go here, do this or that or say this . Our conscience as sanctified and surrendered believers has been cleansed and we can trust it so much as we are surrendered to Christ.“
Here is a great example.
If what you assert is correct, then you have four things now that you assert the Spirit does *apart* from the scriptures… Guide, teach, sanctify and cleanse… even one thing would imply that the Scriptures are *not* complete. This would contradict 2Tim3:16-17.
Yet the Spirit says He teaches through the word 2Tim3:16-17
And cleanses through the word Jn15:3
the word sanctifies Jn17:17
the Spirit guides through truth Jn16:13
Biblically everything, literally everything, that the Spirit does is connected to the revealed word. I cannot under emphasize the clarity, Biblically, of this point. The Spirit has pointedly clarified this.
Biblically, How is the conscience cleansed? By obeying the gospel 1Pet3:21
By the way, Direct prophecy didn’t mean automatic understanding. Remember Peter received a revelation in Acts 10, and was “much perplexed” by it 10:17. He didnt understand the point and his conscience wasn’t immediately accepting of what God said 10:13-16. It wasnt until two days later that Peter understood what God revealed Acts 10:23-24, 28, 34. This is the same process with reading. We do not always immediately understand. We must think on it. Consider whether our thoughts and even our conscience are hindering us from accepting what God has revealed. Is 55:8-9
(H) “Not infallible because God is working through a flawed human who may not be fully surrendered…”
Your entire section here talks about the need to be humble and examine oneself (heart and actions) compared to… what?
The process you describe of dealing with life and examining self is RIGHT! We absolutely must be on guard against sin, and test ourselves. The key point I am aiming at is what do we use as the standard by which to examine ourselves? Personal revelation? Sanctified conscience? Something else outside of scripture? Or Scripture?
There is only one complete guide given 2Tim3:16-17. Scriptures make a man of God complete, not modern day revelations or our conscience. Scripture is what God gave to use in the very process you describe so well.
(I) “After hearing the Written word preached or taught it penetrates/ cuts us to our hearts via Holy Spirit. And to the extent we are surrendered to Christ,Holy Spirit will speak through our mouths via our sanctified/ circumcised hearts.“
The tool that the Spirit uses is the word Eph6:17
What you describe is the word PLUS an additional act of the Spirit.
This would mean that the scripture are NOT complete…. Ut 2Tim3:16-17 says they are.
(J) “…to the extent we surrender our everything to Christ we will be able to speak what Holy Spirit the Spirit of our living God wants us to say to certain individuals. Surrender is the key here and it’s an ongoing process , some call it progressive sanctification which God has invited us to as sons and daughters. We can have faith He will meet us here and guide our thoughts, emotions, actions, imagination moment by moment as we surrender our lives to Him …”
Again, everything you describe here is done through the word.
Surrender to Christ? Christ dwells in the heart through faith Eph3:17 Faith comes from the word Rom10:17
Speak as the Spirit directs? Speak as Gods word speaks 1Pet4:11
sanctification? Through the word Jn17:17
Family of God (brethren)? Through obeying truth 1Pet1:22
Faith? From the word Rom10:17
Thoights etc? Taught… made complete through the scriptures 2Tim3:16-17
Imagination? The knowledge of God cast down imaginations and high minded things Rom10:5
(K) “…speaking to Him in a 2way conversational intimacy.“
God gives us what we need, James1:17-18
Like a parent, He doesn’t give us everything we desire and feel we need. But what is actually good.
Our feelings/heart can mislead us. JER 17:9
Revealed truth is an objective standard. We can, as u described before, examine ourselves. But to properly examine ourselves, we must use the complete guide that God gave.
I know I have a relationship with my wife, but for various reasons I have had insecurities (abusive childhood). Objective knowledge has anchored me, where emotions mislead.
It is the same with God. I dont physically see or feel Him. But through the revealed Gospel, we can have objective knowledge.
Subjective emotions mislead.
God intentionally chose that man cannot find God through His own efforts & wisdom 1Cor 1:18-31
We must depend on Him, He revealed what we could never truly know otherwise.
He gave a complete guide, which we could never create.
Gods word is firm and an anchor through all the storms of life.
(L) “An outpouring of this walking with God is an action of prophetic word from one believer to another.“
You attribute this to a modern prophecy, revelation. But this, a modern revelation, would be something outside the already revealed perfect guide. 2Tim3:16-17.
People can speak truth, admonish or encourage based on what is already revealed. The *function* of what you describe can be Biblically accomplished, but that is not a supernatural event.
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(M) “There is wisdom and discernment we need to engage in as one receiving a prophetic word.… Say it’s been on my heart to plant a church somewhere. I’ve been in prayer… one day a fellow believer comes up to me randomly and says ‘you know, it’s just been on my heart to tell you today that I could really see you as a church planter…’”
Ok, a couple of things.
That God says He doesnt work miraculously today would rule out a miraculous event 1Cor13:8-13
That someone says something that fits what you think, isn’t a miracle.
God also works through providence. Rom8:28
Meaning God uses the choices people make, and events in life (without any miracle involved)
Like Pauls nephew overhearing a death plot against Paul Acts 23:16
No miracle… none, Just the right person at the right place at the right time…
As Mordicai told Esther, “who knows whether thou art come to the kingdom for such a time as this?”
Esther 4:14
It isnt revealed, but opportunities to do what is right happen. We dont know whether God specifically intends x, y, z… but the door stands open for us to try…
But we must be careful. Assuming too much is easily done. As literally 400 personal prophets affirmed what Ahab wished for… 1Kings22:6
Yet the message they gave was not a blessing 1Kings22:19-23, but a lie that would lead to Ahabs death 1Kings22:34-37
(N) “… it’s just been on my heart to tell you… I feel God wants…”
“…This is thoroughly Biblical, when you look at How our God/the triune speaks to people in the Bible”
Not once do we ever read of a prophet of God speaking in the way you describe.
We do read warnings about feelings in our heart being deceitful Jer17:9
And people speaking presumptuously for God Deut18:20
And from their own heart Jer23:16-17
In fact, Jude 19 speaks about people in error. Notice the precise and distinctive wording…
Jude 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
Sensual. They focus on how things feel…. And that stands opposed to the Spirit.
Ive heard countless people claim that God leads them in this way.
But every one was teaching something different, and none would yield to what the Spirit revealed in the Bible.
God is not the author of such confusion, people were following their own hearts… not the Spirit.
(O) “Not sure if you are making a rule out of the few abuses of prophecy”
I appeal to Gods word, not my opinion. The complete guide 2Tim3:16-17 says these things. If, on the other hand, it taught ongoing miraculous events… wouldnt that be easy to prove?
(P) “…honest prophetic words can be verified through other sources or situations God may move in to verify His will but primarily the Bible is the safest.”
So, authority outside the Bible can be verified by other authority outside the Bible? Friend, this is painful to hear.
If we believe the Bible is complete 2Tim3:16-17
If we believe Paul was correct Gal1:6-9; 1Cor4:6
If we believe Jesus spoke the truth John16:13
And that the Spirit didnt lie Jude 3
If we believe the warnings about heart felt prophecies Jer17:9; Jer 23
And never spake a prophet of God about “its been on my heart” and “i feel God wants”
This is language that points to self, and elevates ones own sentiments to the authoritative level of Gods word…
Consider again how God overtly says He works today.
Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
In the past He spoke directly to people through prophets.
Now through Jesus.
God says this is different. How then is it different?
Jesus chose apostles, through whom to give commandments, guided by the Holy Spirit Acts 1:2
Hearing them, is hearing Christ Luke 10:16
Paul said what he wrote is the command of Jesus 1Cor 14:37
Paul said those who even preach “another” gospel are cursed, even if they claimed to receive it from an angel or an apostle…. Gal1:6-9
The apostles have passed, but their fruit remains John15:16
The scripture is inspired & complete (2Tim3:16-17), prophets are “past” Heb1:1-2
Thus, concerning modern personal prophecies:
If the purpose today isn’t to reveal anything new… why is personal prophecy needed? The gospel is complete 2Tim3:16-17
If the purpose today isn’t to reveal anything new, then why are personal prophets even needed? Everything can be accomplished through the word…
If the scriptures make the man of God complete, shouldnt we speak as God does? And say that is how God makes us complete today?
If claiming ongoing revelation/prophecy is *not* adding to Gods word to (as you indicate) sanctify, cleanse, guide, etc. then what would be required to add?
Yes, we can be guided entirely by the Bible today. It is the word of God. It is living and active, and sharper than any two edged sword Heb4:12. It can teach us all we need for life and godliness 2Pet1:3. It is God’s power u to salvation Rom1:16-17
To look beyond the Gospel, is to look beyond God’s power to save.
There is no other way of salvation than what God has given,
Saving our own souls, much less anyone elses, cannot be done by looking beyond Christ’s authoritative, Spirit revealed power of salvation: the New Testament.
Ok, a couple of things.
That God says He doesnt work miraculously today would rule out a miraculous event 1Cor13:8-13
That someone says something that fits what you think, isn’t a miracle.
God also works through providence. Rom8:28
Meaning God uses the choices people make, and events in life (without any miracle involved)
Like Pauls nephew overhearing a death plot against Paul Acts 23:16
No miracle… none, Just the right person at the right place at the right time…
As Mordicai told Esther, “who knows whether thou art come to the kingdom for such a time as this?”
Esther 4:14
It isnt revealed, but opportunities to do what is right happen. We dont know whether God specifically intends x, y, z… but the door stands open for us to try…
But we must be careful. Assuming too much is easily done. As literally 400 personal prophets affirmed what Ahab wished for… 1Kings22:6
Yet the message they gave was not a blessing 1Kings22:19-23, but a lie that would lead to Ahabs death 1Kings22:34-37
(N) “… it’s just been on my heart to tell you… I feel God wants…”
“…This is thoroughly Biblical, when you look at How our God/the triune speaks to people in the Bible”
Not once do we ever read of a prophet of God speaking in the way you describe.
We do read warnings about feelings in our heart being deceitful Jer17:9
And people speaking presumptuously for God Deut18:20
And from their own heart Jer23:16-17
In fact, Jude 19 speaks about people in error. Notice the precise and distinctive wording…
Jude 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
Sensual. They focus on how things feel…. And that stands opposed to the Spirit.
Ive heard countless people claim that God leads them in this way.
But every one was teaching something different, and none would yield to what the Spirit revealed in the Bible.
God is not the author of such confusion, people were following their own hearts… not the Spirit.
(O) “Not sure if you are making a rule out of the few abuses of prophecy”
I appeal to Gods word, not my opinion. The complete guide 2Tim3:16-17 says these things. If, on the other hand, it taught ongoing miraculous events… wouldnt that be easy to prove?
(P) “…honest prophetic words can be verified through other sources or situations God may move in to verify His will but primarily the Bible is the safest.”
So, authority outside the Bible can be verified by other authority outside the Bible? Friend, this is painful to hear.
If we believe the Bible is complete 2Tim3:16-17
If we believe Paul was correct Gal1:6-9; 1Cor4:6
If we believe Jesus spoke the truth John16:13
And that the Spirit didnt lie Jude 3
If we believe the warnings about heart felt prophecies Jer17:9; Jer 23
And never spake a prophet of God about “its been on my heart” and “i feel God wants”
This is language that points to self, and elevates ones own sentiments to the authoritative level of Gods word…
Consider again how God overtly says He works today.
Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
In the past He spoke directly to people through prophets.
Now through Jesus.
God says this is different. How then is it different?
Jesus chose apostles, through whom to give commandments, guided by the Holy Spirit Acts 1:2
Hearing them, is hearing Christ Luke 10:16
Paul said what he wrote is the command of Jesus 1Cor 14:37
Paul said those who even preach “another” gospel are cursed, even if they claimed to receive it from an angel or an apostle…. Gal1:6-9
The apostles have passed, but their fruit remains John15:16
The scripture is inspired & complete (2Tim3:16-17), prophets are “past” Heb1:1-2
Thus, concerning modern personal prophecies:
If the purpose today isn’t to reveal anything new… why is personal prophecy needed? The gospel is complete 2Tim3:16-17
If the purpose today isn’t to reveal anything new, then why are personal prophets even needed? Everything can be accomplished through the word…
If the scriptures make the man of God complete, shouldnt we speak as God does? And say that is how God makes us complete today?
If claiming ongoing revelation/prophecy is *not* adding to Gods word to (as you indicate) sanctify, cleanse, guide, etc. then what would be required to add?
Yes, we can be guided entirely by the Bible today. It is the word of God. It is living and active, and sharper than any two edged sword Heb4:12. It can teach us all we need for life and godliness 2Pet1:3. It is God’s power u to salvation Rom1:16-17
To look beyond the Gospel, is to look beyond God’s power to save.
There is no other way of salvation than what God has given,
Saving our own souls, much less anyone elses, cannot be done by looking beyond Christ’s authoritative, Spirit revealed power of salvation: the New Testament.
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My vacation was well, the Lord blessed it and there was much good that came from it, much like a miniature sabbatical. I would love to respond to all these challenges you pose scripturally but first and foremost . I’m not opposed to the completed scripture at all nor am I challenging the completed work, the written Word of God. I’m not opposed to scripture but What I am going to challenge you on is your interpretations of scripture. Clearly you believe in cessation. I believe in continuation and will not make apologies about it. You seem to believe Holy Spirits work is completed at the writing of the Word through the apostle’s and I disagree and my position is that Holy Spirit still moves just as powerfully and miraculously in the believers if we humans don’t quench and grieve the Spirit today . In all your paragraphs you neglected to mention or even give acknowledgment that there is a very real Biblical case for continuation as well. My points all land this and it is the basis of continuation. If you can’t agree there is a strong biblical case for continuation then nothing I say or give in response will be of any use to you to help understand my beliefs and interpretation. I read through your biblical basis for cessation and I’m compiling my biblical basis for continuation
So for starters
I believe this is how we believers should interpret 1Cor 13. You assert this scripture 1Cor13:8-13 is primarily about the gifts ending due to the completion of the written Word . I disagree. The gifts are a secondary issue here which is subject to the context of the entire chapter And here is why .
That completed work stated in 1Cor 13 is not the Bible itself or the written Word . (The perfect ) is Jesus and it is Jesus because our eventual progression to full spiritual maturity at His return as in (Philippians 1:6) - so the good Work being brought to completion in us is love. The primary teaching of that 1Cor 13 scripture is that -Love never ends verse 8 . What is perfect? Love is. We know God is Love- 1John 4:8 . Gods commandments in the new Covenant To all believers are Matt 22:37-40
Once we are fully matured in Christ-love perfected- 1John 4 then we have no need for the gifts this is a simple fact being stated. When is love perfected in us or in this age? Only when Jesus who is the definition of love comes again who is the full expression of that love when we will experience the joyous intimacy of His presence . So if we interpret 1 Corinthians 13 in it’s contextual theme of (Love) which is the topic being addressed in that scripture there can be a possible modern prophecy or tongues because love has yet to come to completion in our spiritual maturity and in the body of believers via Jesus who is Love. And I believe people who are using 1Cor 13:8-13 in this way to justify cessation are stripping 1Cor 13 of the greater context of Love namely Jesus.
this is where you and I have to acknowledge the different yet biblical interpretations. Otherwise to proceed in this conversation without a willingness to acknowledge different interpretations creates an unhealthy conversation void of Biblical love which is violating Jesus’ second commandment.
so if you can give continuation a fair shake, acknowledging a biblical case for it then we can continue. Otherwise we’re not going to get anywhere.
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Have You read about Anania and Saphira in the early Church? Peter demonstrates a Spiritual Gift called Word of Knowlege. He had no Knowlege about the money they held back. The Holy Spirit revealed it to him, then he spoke about it to them. I will not speak about my personal experience with this Gift, that isnt right because it involves the lives and privacy of others. If the others want to Glorify God because of the Outcome it is for them to Testify. Be very careful when exercising spiritual Gifts. Pride will get you. I seen it.
This is, of course, when Jesus returns and we are given our spiritual bodies. When we are face to face with the Lord who is the Word, there is no more need of prophesy and tongues and knowledge. We will have direct access to the source. We can ask Him directly.
It's like, when your wife is standing in the room with you there is no need to write her a letter to communicate with her. No special means of communication are needed: just talk with her.
In that day, if my friend should turn to me and ask, "What do you think the Lord would say about such and such?" I would kindly nudge him and refer to the Lord saying, "Ask Him directly".
It's like, when your wife is standing in the room with you there is no need to write her a letter to communicate with her. No special means of communication are needed: just talk with her.
In that day, if my friend should turn to me and ask, "What do you think the Lord would say about such and such?" I would kindly nudge him and refer to the Lord saying, "Ask Him directly".
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I didn't forget them. Being done away and ceasing aren't necessarily the same thing. I can have a toothache that may cease temporarily but return at some later point. If I go to the dentist and have it taken care of then the toothache will be done away with.
I've seen nothing that demonstrates supernatural sign gifts have not ceased and everything that demonstrates they have. I know, you have stories, personal experiences, and testimonies that say otherwise. That's fine, that's all you have.
I've seen nothing that demonstrates supernatural sign gifts have not ceased and everything that demonstrates they have. I know, you have stories, personal experiences, and testimonies that say otherwise. That's fine, that's all you have.
i enjoy the fact that it was the rcc first who tried to claim sign gifts were ceased and research shows they went around where it was rumored to happen and forced it to be stopped.
had not the rcc put a stop to gifts, that were clearly continuing, i bet all denominations would be speaking in Tongues.
and here, i thought Followers of Christ were not RCC Puppets?
had not the rcc put a stop to gifts, that were clearly continuing, i bet all denominations would be speaking in Tongues.
and here, i thought Followers of Christ were not RCC Puppets?