Who Justifieth the Ungodly

reneweddaybyday · Jun 13, 2023

nope ...

God's Word:

Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein [the gospel of Christ] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

the "gospel of brightfame52":

"No, those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners"

I'll stick with the gospel of Christ ... which is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth ...
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brightfame52 · Jun 13, 2023

reneweddaybyday said:

Christs election is His Bodys Election, the Church which He is Head Eph 5:23

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Col 1:18

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

His Election wasnt of a Private Person, but as the Head of His Body the Church, theyre One. Heb 2:11

11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

All mankind is not His Body the Church !

brightfame52 · Jun 13, 2023

reneweddaybyday said:

Those apply to the elect world, and so you are still opposing the Gospel Truth that Christ saved all for whom He died 1 Pet 2:24-25

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

You in unbelief !

brightfame52 · Jun 13, 2023

reneweddaybyday said:

nope ...

God's Word:

Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein [the gospel of Christ] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

the "gospel of brightfame52":

"No, those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners"

I'll stick with the gospel of Christ ... which is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth ...
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You are still in unbelief opposing the Gospel of Christ, you dont even believe His Death saved them He died for.

brightfame52 · Jun 13, 2023

Justification by the blood/obedience of Christ.2

Its the same principle as when its written that God Loved Jacob and hated esau before they had any being or existence to do good or evil acts Rom 9:11

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

Paul emphasis here is on the fact that the children had not yet been born into physical existence, hence God is considering them without a being yet, for one cannot act in time good or evil if they dont exist in time !

So you see, those whom Christ died, while they are yet unborn, His One act of Obedience, shedding His blood, shall make them Righteous. So how could ones act of faith or believing before they existed have anything to do with making them righteous ? Thats why Paul says its by the Obedience of One ! This Truth the natural man cannot receive ! 18

reneweddaybyday · Jun 14, 2023

brightfame52 said:

lie from the pit!!!

there is no way that the sacrifice of brightfame52 could ever take away the sin of the whole world.

Acts 4:10-12 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

brightfame52 said:

brightfame52, are you able to purge the conscience of a person from dead works to serve the living God ??? ... are you the Mediator of the new covenant ???

Hebrews 9:14-15 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

brightfame52 said:

the Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the body ... each born again believer is a member in particular. You, brightfame52, are not the head!!!

brightfame52 said:

this verse reiterates that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the body. Each born again one is a member in particular. You, brightfame52, are not the preeminent one

brightfame52 said:

Ephesians 1 tells us who is "His Body the Church !"

Ephesians 1:19-23 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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reneweddaybyday · Jun 14, 2023

brightfame52 said:

God's Word:

Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein [the gospel of Christ] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

the "gospel of brightfame52":

"No, those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners"

I'll stick with the gospel of Christ ... which is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth
.

reneweddaybyday · Jun 14, 2023

brightfame52 said:

... ripping a verse from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed it is not proper interpretation.

Romans 9 does not state that "God loved Jacob and hated Esau before they had any being".

Romans 9:10-13 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; ) It was said unto her [Rebecca], The elder shall serve the younger.

What God told Rebecca while Jacob and Esau were still in utero (which means they had "being" and "existence") is written in Genesis 25:

Genesis 25:22-23 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

God did not state that He hated Esau "before they had any being or existence". That statement was written in Malachi 1 ... long after Esau was dead and buried:

Malachi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

brightfame52 said:

... righteousness is imputed when the Author of Scripture says righteousness is imputed:

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him [Abraham] for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

Now read the rest of Romans chapter 5 ... keeping in mind what you have already read In Romans 1, 2, 3, 4. God should not have to keep telling you what He has already stated.

Your futile attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma has again failed. You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.

READY YOUR BIBLE!!!
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brightfame52 · Jun 15, 2023

reneweddaybyday said:

lie from the pit!!!

there is no way that the sacrifice of brightfame52 could ever take away the sin of the whole world.

Acts 4:10-12 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

brightfame52, are you able to purge the conscience of a person from dead works to serve the living God ??? ... are you the Mediator of the new covenant ???

Hebrews 9:14-15 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

the Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the body ... each born again believer is a member in particular. You, brightfame52, are not the head!!!

this verse reiterates that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the body. Each born again one is a member in particular. You, brightfame52, are not the preeminent one

Ephesians 1 tells us who is "His Body the Church !"

Ephesians 1:19-23 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Again Christs election is the election of His Body the Church. Do you think Christ was a bodyless Head ? His election and them chosen in Him was before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

brightfame52 · Jun 15, 2023

reneweddaybyday said:

You are still in unbelief denying that Christs Death healed, saved them He died for 1 Pet 2:24-25

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

brightfame52 · Jun 15, 2023

reneweddaybyday said:

... ripping a verse from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed it is not proper interpretation.

Romans 9 does not state that "God loved Jacob and hated Esau before they had any being".

Romans 9:10-13 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; ) It was said unto her [Rebecca], The elder shall serve the younger.

What God told Rebecca while Jacob and Esau were still in utero (which means they had "being" and "existence") is written in Genesis 25:

Genesis 25:22-23 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

God did not state that He hated Esau "before they had any being or existence". That statement was written in Malachi 1 ... long after Esau was dead and buried:

Malachi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

... righteousness is imputed when the Author of Scripture says righteousness is imputed:

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him [Abraham] for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

Now read the rest of Romans chapter 5 ... keeping in mind what you have already read In Romans 1, 2, 3, 4. God should not have to keep telling you what He has already stated.

Your futile attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma has again failed. You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.

READY YOUR BIBLE!!!
.

Gods elect are Justified before Him and Loved by Him before they were ever born.

brightfame52 · Jun 15, 2023

Justified solely by His Death!

This is a Gospel truth that false religionists can not receive. That those Christ died for, namely the Elect of God, that before they are born sinners and unbelievers and enemies, that solely on the merits of Christ blood shed for them, they are Justified before God, declared Righteous. They have received the sentence of absolution and forgiveness, and God will not charge their sins against them 2 Cor 5:19.

That is because God in Justice has already charged or transacted all their sins and iniquities upon their Surety Jesus Christ, Isa 53:6; 2Cor 5:21;1Pet 3:24.

This being so, God purposed not to charge their sins on them, hence Justifying them from all their sins. This transacted before they are born sinners and enemies.

reneweddaybyday · Jun 16, 2023

brightfame52 said:

brightfame52, are you able to purge the conscience of a person from dead works to serve the living God ??? ... are you the Mediator of the new covenant ??? ... when did you bear the sins of any descendant of Adam and, even if you did, how did your offering for sin in any way, shape, or form, cover a single sin of anyone ... yourself included??? ... you are so full of pride and arrogance to include yourself as worthy of any of the glory which is reserved only for the Lord Jesus Christ.

brightfame52 said:

I believe the body to which you belong does not follow the Head ... the Lord Jesus Christ.

brightfame52 said:

Ephesians 1:4 is written to those who are faithful in Christ Jesus:

Ephesians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus

Before you even consider yourself as chosen before the foundation of the world, you need to distance yourself from your erroneous dogma and start following the Lord Jesus Christ ... become faithful in the Lord Jesus Christ ... learn from Him.

Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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reneweddaybyday · Jun 16, 2023

brightfame52 said:

God's Word:

Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein [the gospel of Christ] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

the "gospel of brightfame52":

"No, those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners"

I'll stick with the gospel of Christ ... which is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth
.

reneweddaybyday · Jun 16, 2023

brightfame52 said:

... address the issue at hand, brightfame52 ...

God did not state that He "hated esau before [he] had any being or existence to do good or evil" as you claimed in your Post 3565.

Romans 9:10-13 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; ) It was said unto her [Rebecca], The elder shall serve the younger.

What God told Rebecca while Jacob and Esau were still in utero (which means they had "being" and "existence") is written in Genesis 25:

Genesis 25:22-23 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

God did not state that He hated Esau "before they had any being or existence". That statement was written in Malachi 1 ... long after Esau was dead and buried:

Malachi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
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reneweddaybyday · Jun 16, 2023

brightfame52 said:

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The word "reconciling" is translated from the Greek word katallássō which means decisively change, as when two parties reconcile when coming ("changing") to the same position.

Reconciliation on the part of God to mankind took place before the foundation of the world.

Reconciliation on the part of man to God takes place at the time a person turns to God in faith ... at that point we are no longer enemies.

Those who reject God even as He reaches out to them remain enemies and are not reconciled to God ... not because God has not made provision for them, but because they reject that which God has provided for them to be reconciled to God.

brightfame52 said:

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

God having laid on Him [the Lord Jesus Christ] the iniquity of all mankind is absolutely true. Because God laid on Him [the Lord Jesus Christ] the iniquity of all mankind, we know that the "sin" issue has already been provided for ... so sin is not the issue. The issue is the reconciliation which takes place when a person does not turn to his own way (i.e. suppress the truth in unrighteousness) when God reaches out to him or her.

brightfame52 said:

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

The Lord Jesus Christ is the sin offering which is acceptable to God. When a person is reconciled to God as shown in 2 Cor 5:19, God imputes righteousness to him or her.

Our sins were on Jesus, and His righteousness is on us. And, "As Christ was not made sin by any sin inherent in him, so neither are we made righteous by any righteousness inherent in us, but by the righteousness of Christ imputed to us." (Matthew Poole's Commentary)

brightfame52 said:

??? ... there is no 1 Peter 3:24 ...
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brightfame52 · Jun 16, 2023

reneweddaybyday said:

Again, Christ is the Elect of God, the Head of His Body the Church, hence His being elect constitutes them that make up His Body as the elect, for He and they are One. This Election of Head and Body took place before the foundation of the World Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

brightfame52 · Jun 16, 2023

reneweddaybyday said:

God's Word:

Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein [the gospel of Christ] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

the "gospel of brightfame52":

"No, those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners"

I'll stick with the gospel of Christ ... which is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth
.

You are in unbelief still, you reject the Gospel that has been witnessed to you.

brightfame52 · Jun 16, 2023

reneweddaybyday said:

... address the issue at hand, brightfame52 ...

God did not state that He "hated esau before [he] had any being or existence to do good or evil" as you claimed in your Post 3565.

Romans 9:10-13 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; ) It was said unto her [Rebecca], The elder shall serve the younger.

What God told Rebecca while Jacob and Esau were still in utero (which means they had "being" and "existence") is written in Genesis 25:

Genesis 25:22-23 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

God did not state that He hated Esau "before they had any being or existence". That statement was written in Malachi 1 ... long after Esau was dead and buried:

Malachi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
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Again Gods Elect are Justified before Him by the Merits of Christ Blood before they are born.

brightfame52 · Jun 16, 2023

reneweddaybyday said:

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The word "reconciling" is translated from the Greek word katallássō which means decisively change, as when two parties reconcile when coming ("changing") to the same position.

Reconciliation on the part of God to mankind took place before the foundation of the world.

Reconciliation on the part of man to God takes place at the time a person turns to God in faith ... at that point we are no longer enemies.

Those who reject God even as He reaches out to them remain enemies and are not reconciled to God ... not because God has not made provision for them, but because they reject that which God has provided for them to be reconciled to God.

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

God having laid on Him [the Lord Jesus Christ] the iniquity of all mankind is absolutely true. Because God laid on Him [the Lord Jesus Christ] the iniquity of all mankind, we know that the "sin" issue has already been provided for ... so sin is not the issue. The issue is the reconciliation which takes place when a person does not turn to his own way (i.e. suppress the truth in unrighteousness) when God reaches out to him or her.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

The Lord Jesus Christ is the sin offering which is acceptable to God. When a person is reconciled to God as shown in 2 Cor 5:19, God imputes righteousness to him or her.

Our sins were on Jesus, and His righteousness is on us. And, "As Christ was not made sin by any sin inherent in him, so neither are we made righteous by any righteousness inherent in us, but by the righteousness of Christ imputed to us." (Matthew Poole's Commentary)

??? ... there is no 1 Peter 3:24 ...
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Post 3572 is Gospel Truth and you are not receptive of it, its unbelief. Also the scripture reference 1 Pet 3:24 should be 1 Pet 2:24.

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