Noah’s ark and faith
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“Are you claiming that people could be saved without the cross of Jesus?”
without Jesus no the cross doesn’t save anyone Jesus does. again no one I’ve ever read in this forum has claimed that you don’t have to believe Jesus does and rose it’s just that folks like you try to make anything else irrelevant even when it’s in the same letter lol
To be clear everyone needs to believe Jesus does and rose since the gospel was fulfilled to be saved but that’s not everything Paul or Jesus or anyone else said I don’t have a problem believing anything wrotten on any epistle of Paul I have a problem erasing everything based on a couple lines
I’m saying Jesus blood is what all forgivness is based upon from the beginning of time even the forgivness of people like Abraham who was of faith and David who was of faith and grace
before jesus died
Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.”
Galatians 3:6-9
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
….Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, And whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.”
Romans 4:3, 6-8
or this person who Jesus forgave in person while he was here
Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.
And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
Luke 7:47-50
Or afterwards we hear the gospel and believe God and are saved like those men of faith if we think Jesus blood means we get to reject Gods word it’s not from God
Paul never says “ only believe the part where Jesus died and rose nothing else ignore what the lord said about being saved , or ignore what I’m telling you all on this same letter about repentance and obedience “ he just is saying the first thing in preached to you “
that’s the issue with hypergrace Paul’s second other gospel everyone’s saved another different way from what Jesus the lord said to them Jews and sent to the world and all people doctrine ….
It’s all a snare and deception oaul was a servant , wot eas and apostle of Jesus who believed heard lived and preached the same gospel Jesus preached before he died and shed his blood of those words that speak salvstion
“Are you claiming that people could be saved without the cross of Jesus?”
without Jesus no the cross doesn’t save anyone Jesus does. again no one I’ve ever read in this forum has claimed that you don’t have to believe Jesus does and rose it’s just that folks like you try to make anything else irrelevant even when it’s in the same letter lol
To be clear everyone needs to believe Jesus does and rose since the gospel was fulfilled to be saved but that’s not everything Paul or Jesus or anyone else said I don’t have a problem believing anything wrotten on any epistle of Paul I have a problem erasing everything based on a couple lines
I’m saying Jesus blood is what all forgivness is based upon from the beginning of time even the forgivness of people like Abraham who was of faith and David who was of faith and grace
before jesus died
Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.”
Galatians 3:6-9
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
….Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, And whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.”
Romans 4:3, 6-8
or this person who Jesus forgave in person while he was here
Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.
And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
Luke 7:47-50
Or afterwards we hear the gospel and believe God and are saved like those men of faith if we think Jesus blood means we get to reject Gods word it’s not from God
Paul never says “ only believe the part where Jesus died and rose nothing else ignore what the lord said about being saved , or ignore what I’m telling you all on this same letter about repentance and obedience “ he just is saying the first thing in preached to you “
that’s the issue with hypergrace Paul’s second other gospel everyone’s saved another different way from what Jesus the lord said to them Jews and sent to the world and all people doctrine ….
It’s all a snare and deception oaul was a servant , wot eas and apostle of Jesus who believed heard lived and preached the same gospel Jesus preached before he died and shed his blood of those words that speak salvstion
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Paul kept the gospel message simple.
1 Corinthians 1:23
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
1 Corinthians 1:23
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
well yea if we just read the one sentance it could mean anything I was trying to keep it short lol
notice ot says Jesus went and preached to spirits in prison after he died by his spirit ? And then look what else happened during that time after he died to some of the dead
“Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
Matthew 27:50-53 KJV
Do you think it’s possible that’s fulfillment of this ?
“Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, and shall put my spirit in you,
and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, ( ot prophecy ) and performed it,( New Testament gospel ) saith the LORD.”
Ezekiel 37:12-14 KJV
maybe the place he’s referencing here
“ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land:”
Is what this is about
“These ( ot folks ) all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
Hebrews 11:13-14, 16 KJV
“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:”
Hebrews 12:22-25 KJV
notice ot says Jesus went and preached to spirits in prison after he died by his spirit ? And then look what else happened during that time after he died to some of the dead
“Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
Matthew 27:50-53 KJV
Do you think it’s possible that’s fulfillment of this ?
“Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, and shall put my spirit in you,
and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, ( ot prophecy ) and performed it,( New Testament gospel ) saith the LORD.”
Ezekiel 37:12-14 KJV
maybe the place he’s referencing here
“ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land:”
Is what this is about
“These ( ot folks ) all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
Hebrews 11:13-14, 16 KJV
“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:”
Hebrews 12:22-25 KJV
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acrually paul penned about 67 percent of the new testement and touched on almost every aspect of doctrine Jesus preached in the gospel . and said some of the most complex things that some folks can’t understand and grasp and some do this to it’s why we are warned
“as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.”
2 Peter 3:16-18 KJV
“as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.”
2 Peter 3:16-18 KJV
“The gospel of the kingdom was good news for the Jews concerning their Messiah.”
The gospel was preached to Israel first and then to the world paul was one of many witnesses that it’s true and that the invitation was extended to gentiles by Jesus blood
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“Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.( gentiles we’re excluded by the law now they are brought to God by the gospel )
For he is our peace, who hath made both ( Jew and gentile )one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: and came and preached peace to you which were afar off, ( gentile ) and to them that were nigh( Jew )
. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: in whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.”
Ephesians 2:11-22 KJV
the gospel of the kingdom is the only gospel ot was fulfillment of Israel’s covenant they rejected it and he sent it to all nations all believers are part of the same kingdom of God it includes heaven and earth and it’s doctrine is what jesus preached before he died
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. ( the kings kingdom )
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name ( Jesus ) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you
all peoples doctrine ) and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
Jesus preached the gospel Paul then witnessed it
The gospel was preached to Israel first and then to the world paul was one of many witnesses that it’s true and that the invitation was extended to gentiles by Jesus blood
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“Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.( gentiles we’re excluded by the law now they are brought to God by the gospel )
For he is our peace, who hath made both ( Jew and gentile )one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: and came and preached peace to you which were afar off, ( gentile ) and to them that were nigh( Jew )
. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: in whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.”
Ephesians 2:11-22 KJV
the gospel of the kingdom is the only gospel ot was fulfillment of Israel’s covenant they rejected it and he sent it to all nations all believers are part of the same kingdom of God it includes heaven and earth and it’s doctrine is what jesus preached before he died
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. ( the kings kingdom )
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name ( Jesus ) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you
all peoples doctrine ) and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
Jesus preached the gospel Paul then witnessed it
a long time ago i read peters sermon and noticed this
“Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; and he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
….Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.”
Acts 3:19-21, 24 KJV
I began to search the prophets to test it and found they are about Jesus and the gospel as much as the epistles of the apostles are about Jesus and the gospel truly a prior witness of the gospel
“Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; and he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
….Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.”
Acts 3:19-21, 24 KJV
I began to search the prophets to test it and found they are about Jesus and the gospel as much as the epistles of the apostles are about Jesus and the gospel truly a prior witness of the gospel
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“Paul's epistles contain not only how to be saved, but how to go on to live the crucified life. “
This is part of Paul’s message of salvstion like it’s part of Jesus message of salvstion they are dire important warnings that you won’t accept
“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; and walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
Ephesians 5:1-7 KJV
It’s always in his message
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.”
Galatians 5:19-26 KJV
“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; ( that’s how we get corrupt )
but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.”
Galatians 6:7-9
“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 KJV
Your not understanding if we don’t inherit the kingdom of God preached in the gospel it means we’re not of the family of God he’s not just saying “ your saved but you won’t be part of Gods kinfdom “ the kingdom of agod is the promised Jesus made of a new perfect eternal
World it’s this
“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
Revelation 21:2-5 KJV
that’s Gods kingdom when Paul is warning g people you’ll lose your inheritance if you don’t stop sinning , that means they aren’t going to be in that eternal kingdom of God
airs one offer to all mankind forever the gospel is just the gospel Paul calls it several things because it’s that important
This is part of Paul’s message of salvstion like it’s part of Jesus message of salvstion they are dire important warnings that you won’t accept
“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; and walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
Ephesians 5:1-7 KJV
It’s always in his message
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.”
Galatians 5:19-26 KJV
“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; ( that’s how we get corrupt )
but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.”
Galatians 6:7-9
“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 KJV
Your not understanding if we don’t inherit the kingdom of God preached in the gospel it means we’re not of the family of God he’s not just saying “ your saved but you won’t be part of Gods kinfdom “ the kingdom of agod is the promised Jesus made of a new perfect eternal
World it’s this
“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
Revelation 21:2-5 KJV
that’s Gods kingdom when Paul is warning g people you’ll lose your inheritance if you don’t stop sinning , that means they aren’t going to be in that eternal kingdom of God
airs one offer to all mankind forever the gospel is just the gospel Paul calls it several things because it’s that important
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"The very first child they had murdered"? Oh, you don't mean Adam murdered his first child but Cain murdered--not clear!
The line from Adam through Seth was a believing line (for example, Enoch), not perfect; we're all sinners, as you point out.
The line from Adam through Cain was an unbelieving line (for example, Lamech), very imperfect.
Then, at the beginning of Genesis 6, the two lines intermarried, and evil took over to result in universal unbelief, except for Noah.
The line from Adam through Seth was a believing line (for example, Enoch), not perfect; we're all sinners, as you point out.
The line from Adam through Cain was an unbelieving line (for example, Lamech), very imperfect.
Then, at the beginning of Genesis 6, the two lines intermarried, and evil took over to result in universal unbelief, except for Noah.
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no I mean the first man ever born cain was told to repent and do the right thing. Then he murdered his brother the second man ever born who was called righteous by God because he was giving acceptable sacrifices like I quoted showing mankind clearly was already corrupt by this and already being accepted by faith not of their own purity and non corruption this corrupted mankind transgressing this
“but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:17 KJV
When they ate the fruit this happened and corrupted all Mankind who was still in them
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation;( how many was corrupted )
even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. ( how man is redeemed )
Romans 5:12, 18 KJV
The knowledge of good and evil corrupted man’s heart and mind and caused this condition
“Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
Romans 7:20-23
you see it when cain is dealing with God he’s warning him about sin wanting to overtake him
“And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.”
Genesis 4:6-8 KJV
I’d say man was corrupted when they are the fruit and began to have e law of sin wo th in them where good and evil are present in them at the same time
“I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
ats why God told rhen not to eat of the knowledge of good and evil those things conflict and cause a struggle man isn’t meant to know and do evil but to follow only Gods word
“but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:17 KJV
When they ate the fruit this happened and corrupted all Mankind who was still in them
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation;( how many was corrupted )
even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. ( how man is redeemed )
Romans 5:12, 18 KJV
The knowledge of good and evil corrupted man’s heart and mind and caused this condition
“Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
Romans 7:20-23
you see it when cain is dealing with God he’s warning him about sin wanting to overtake him
“And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.”
Genesis 4:6-8 KJV
I’d say man was corrupted when they are the fruit and began to have e law of sin wo th in them where good and evil are present in them at the same time
“I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
ats why God told rhen not to eat of the knowledge of good and evil those things conflict and cause a struggle man isn’t meant to know and do evil but to follow only Gods word
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“The gospel of the kingdom was good news for the Jews concerning their Messiah.”
The gospel was preached to Israel first and then to the world paul was one of many witnesses that it’s true and that the invitation was extended to gentiles by Jesus blood
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“Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.( gentiles we’re excluded by the law now they are brought to God by the gospel )
For he is our peace, who hath made both ( Jew and gentile )one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: and came and preached peace to you which were afar off, ( gentile ) and to them that were nigh( Jew )
. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: in whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.”
Ephesians 2:11-22 KJV
the gospel of the kingdom is the only gospel ot was fulfillment of Israel’s covenant they rejected it and he sent it to all nations all believers are part of the same kingdom of God it includes heaven and earth and it’s doctrine is what jesus preached before he died
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. ( the kings kingdom )
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name ( Jesus ) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded youall peoples doctrine ) and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
Jesus preached the gospel Paul then witnessed it
The gospel was preached to Israel first and then to the world paul was one of many witnesses that it’s true and that the invitation was extended to gentiles by Jesus blood
“
“Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.( gentiles we’re excluded by the law now they are brought to God by the gospel )
For he is our peace, who hath made both ( Jew and gentile )one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: and came and preached peace to you which were afar off, ( gentile ) and to them that were nigh( Jew )
. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: in whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.”
Ephesians 2:11-22 KJV
the gospel of the kingdom is the only gospel ot was fulfillment of Israel’s covenant they rejected it and he sent it to all nations all believers are part of the same kingdom of God it includes heaven and earth and it’s doctrine is what jesus preached before he died
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. ( the kings kingdom )
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name ( Jesus ) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you
all peoples doctrine ) and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
Jesus preached the gospel Paul then witnessed it
What Paul preached was given to him through an abundance of revelations. What he preached had never been preached before.
Romans 16
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.
“What you are saying is that Jesus went around preaching his death, burial, and resurrection before it happened? Can you post the verses?”
I can but that’s not what I was actually saying here you go one example of several
“From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.”
Matthew 16:21 KJV
He went into that because he will rose from the dead and live they would live also through him just like Paul said afterwards
He also says he was dying for the purpose of paying for mans sin with his life and shed blood just like Paul and the apostles taught
He also said don’t think because of this you can keep sinning of you don’t repent your going to still perish with the rest of the world
But what I’m saying and was saying is that the gospel is not confined to only Jesus death and resurrection that part is true and requires for salvstion but that part doesn’t then tell us “ reject everything Jesus said will save you in his words promise of salvation and eternal
Life “
But that’s how people interpret it paul never said ignore the gospel Jesus preached and Paul preached and all the apostles preached it all repentance , obedience to Jesus word in the gospel , baptism , helping other people , forgiving other people all of that is the gospel your trying to make this everything and there’s more what Jesus said is what we also need is my point that’s also the gospel
his teachings the gospel is just the gospel you find it by studying Matthew mark Luke and John it includes Jesus death and resurrection that’s the first part Paul taught them is all he’s saying he’s not saying “ don’t believe the rest of what God said “
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
1 Corinthians 15:3 KJV
He is. Never saying “ all the rest of what I’m teaching you forget and don’t believe “ it’s all true and all applies to believers is my point one scriptire doesn’t erase the rest the gospel is just the one gospel Jesus came to preach and fulfill it includes accepting his word and blood not just his blood and rejecting his word
aim not saying we don’t need his blood I’m saying we don’t then reject his word
I can but that’s not what I was actually saying here you go one example of several
“From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.”
Matthew 16:21 KJV
He went into that because he will rose from the dead and live they would live also through him just like Paul said afterwards
He also says he was dying for the purpose of paying for mans sin with his life and shed blood just like Paul and the apostles taught
He also said don’t think because of this you can keep sinning of you don’t repent your going to still perish with the rest of the world
But what I’m saying and was saying is that the gospel is not confined to only Jesus death and resurrection that part is true and requires for salvstion but that part doesn’t then tell us “ reject everything Jesus said will save you in his words promise of salvation and eternal
Life “
But that’s how people interpret it paul never said ignore the gospel Jesus preached and Paul preached and all the apostles preached it all repentance , obedience to Jesus word in the gospel , baptism , helping other people , forgiving other people all of that is the gospel your trying to make this everything and there’s more what Jesus said is what we also need is my point that’s also the gospel
his teachings the gospel is just the gospel you find it by studying Matthew mark Luke and John it includes Jesus death and resurrection that’s the first part Paul taught them is all he’s saying he’s not saying “ don’t believe the rest of what God said “
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
1 Corinthians 15:3 KJV
He is. Never saying “ all the rest of what I’m teaching you forget and don’t believe “ it’s all true and all applies to believers is my point one scriptire doesn’t erase the rest the gospel is just the one gospel Jesus came to preach and fulfill it includes accepting his word and blood not just his blood and rejecting his word
aim not saying we don’t need his blood I’m saying we don’t then reject his word
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"Was Noah made part of the body of Christ?"
I don't think you understand that God has always save people by grace and faith like he did Noah and for some reason your now asking if Noah ,who was the one who received the new covenant before Abraham was ever born . Abraham who received the promise of the gospel to redeemman after the law which came four hundred ears after abrgam ?
Youve missed the purpose of looking at Noah as an example of grace an faith entirely
I don't think you understand phrases like " body of christ " when you ask rhetorical questions like this it doesn't make sense and isnt something anyone said almost like a hypergrce rant be cause someone said we need to stop serving sin and believe what our lord and savior said and obey the lord and what he said will save our souls and give usa Lasting life after death? Yeah thats cooky believe what God said will save your souls ....I donthink you have real Intent here brother just bickering about a Joseph prince teaching
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