Luke 12:47 does this mean we'll be beaten in heaven?

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Wow. Most who hold to the "angels had sex with women" beliefs also believe those angels were punished and are in
chains in some dark pit awaiting the end of this age and the final judgment of all. Where did you go off that rail?


And most who hold to the "angels had sex with women" also believe that God flooded the whole world because of that.

But you say God was okay with it, it was not sin, and you want to emulate them? .:unsure::oops::censored::oops::geek:
The verse is clear. The angels are punished for leaving their first estate, regardless of them having sex.
 

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John, you're not a Bible scholar, nor are you an expert on what Christians think about sex. The things you preach aren't even worth the time of day discussing. One thing is obvious though: you're desperately in need of attention and recognition.
You never answered my questions. You only offer opinions.
 
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The verse is clear. The angels are punished for leaving their first estate, regardless of them having sex.
Yup they're already in hell until the end of time when we judge them to be thrown into the Lake of Fire as they deserve, in Jesus name, amen.
 

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In the Bible sex and marriage are the same thing, when they have sex the male and female become one, and that man owns that woman, she is his. The illicit use of sex means that they are polluted, thus those that go outside their original and true spouse are POLLUTERS, the meaning of adultery. Cursed be they until and unless they repent from adultery that they are excommunicated from the body of Christ, and furthermore any who in even helping Jezebel to so much as breathe out to teach this thing in committing adulteries are both excommunicated and cursed clearly by Jesus directly in the Bible. Those that do not do and teach not to do such an abominable sin are handsomely rewarded by my Lord Jesus Christ to bear the Rod Which Breaks Nations and the Morning Star, in the name of Jesus, amen!
The man OWNS the woman? Where did you get that?
 

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You never answered my questions. You only offer opinions.
I have no intention of responding to any more of your questions; they're not worth my time. You keep on with your fantasies that you're some kind of Bible expert. I know better.
 

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The verse is clear. The angels are punished for leaving their first estate, regardless of them having sex.
They abandoned their proper dwelling where no angels have sex regardless of what happened after that.

Because sex is for within the bounds of marriage only. And angels do not marry.

You come across as wanting to follow doomed angels .:eek::censored:
 
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They abandoned their proper dwelling where no angels have sex regardless of what happened after that.
This is true too. Even besides their wicked act having sex with evil primordial sluts (who were all wiped away by the power of our God in the Flood, amen) notice their divine foolishness! They forsook their home in heaven to try to rule the Earth, corrupting it, and instead got sent to chains of darkness in hell for the rest of history up to this day, reserved until the end when men will judge angels, and I do suppose our Lord God judged rightly and the judgement upon them should sit and then shall they be thrown away into the Ever-Burning Lake while the male saints sing the praises to Jesus, amen and amen!
 

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They abandoned their proper dwelling where no angels have sex regardless of what happened after that.

Because sex is for within the bounds of marriage only. And angels do not marry.

You come across as wanting to follow doomed angels .:eek::censored:
I'm stating the facts. Many of you state opinions and say they are facts.
 

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Luke 12:47 does this mean we'll be beaten in heaven?


Only those who enjoy such things.
 

Magenta

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I'm stating the facts. Many of you state opinions and say they are facts.
Who are "many of you?" I am just one person. Your non-Biblical opinions are not based on Scriptural facts.
 
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Have you been to heaven? How do you know? They did in Genesis 6.
No they did not: "sons of God refers to those who followed the Lord, and "daughters of men" refers to those following the sinful ways of man. The Lord God is not going to allow someone to be born who is automatically damned simply because of something they cannot control: their lineage. As for Genesis 6's statement:

"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown." (Genesis 6:4 NASB, emphasis mine)

The "nephilim" ("giants") being in the land had nothing to do with the children being born to the sons of God and the daughters of Men; the emphasis here is the children born to the men and women were "men of reknown". This passage is simply describing that there happened to be giants around during the time that these women were producing prodigy that went on to be great.

This is your opinion, since you've never been there. No verses to back up what you said. The angels in Genesis 6 took for themselves wives. So angels taking human form were not in sin when they took wives and had sex. It does prove they have sexual desires.
Once again, they did not (as I have previously mentioned); that is your assumption, which is apparently based off of committing gross eisegesis and reading your opinion into Scripture. Frankly, you seem to have a very unhealthy obsession with sex in eternity, given your previous posts. Your posts assume much that is not in Scripture, and before you try the "left their first estates" argument, let me shoot that down:

"Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe. And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile angelic majesties. But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” (Jude 1:5-10, NASB, emphasis mine)

"Yet in the same way" does not mean that "they engaged in sex like the angels did"; it means as the angels left their assigned duties and joined Lucifer in his rebellion, Sodom and Gomorrah also rebelled against the Lord. Their sin was different, but the spirit of defying God's order and following their own wills was the same.

How do you know if you have never been to heaven and you have no idea what our new bodies will be able to do and feel. Why are Christians so negative on sex? Why did GOD put the Song of Solomon in the bible?
The Lord was already pretty explicit that we would "be as the angels, which neither give nor are given in marriage"; since sex is only supposed to take place within the protected confines of marriage, I believe the Lord's point is clearly made here. Yet you keep railing against it, apparently hoping that if you "find the right point or argument, you'll get the answer you want".

GOD'S WORD DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

Concerning your complaint of "Why are Christians so negative on sex?": it is not "negative", but protective. Sex is supposed to be within the safety and confines of marriage, where intimacy can be safely enjoyed and displayed without the depravity and harm of the slavering wolves that hunt about trying to slake their carnal desires.

As for your cry of "Why did GOD put the Song of Solomon in the bible?"; the Lord wanted to show a look of the growth, joy, and maturation of love between a man and woman in a proper way. It is a love poem, and needs to be read as such, but it is does not cancel out what the Lord taught in the book of Matthew.


Since this topic took the path it is now on, the way you come off is pretty disturbing, given that 1:) it has nothing to do with "being beaten in heaven", and 2) do you really consider this an appropriate topic for discussion on a Christian board, when Scripture commands us to:

"Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body. " (1 Corinthians 6:18-20, NASB, emphasis mine)


Your comments in the last several posts you put up come across like you're 16 with raging hormones, sir; I would not blame the ladies in this discussion one bit if they were becoming uncomfortable with your demeanor and lack of tact. On that note: if you complain about the "view" that "we Christians" have about sex (that makes me wonder: what are YOU then?"), then keep this in mind: If someone throws a fit because you set boundaries, it is even more evidence that those boundaries are needed.


GOD DOESN'T PLAY GAMES; HE HAS HIS RULES IN PLACE FOR A REASON.

And with that, congratulations: you just managed to make it onto my ignore list. I know you or someone else will probably post a "laugh emoji" or something to be "cute": I have that blocked via my ad blocker so I will never see it. I don't give mockery an avenue to affect me.

Goodbye.
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Wow. Most who hold to the "angels had sex with women" beliefs also believe those angels were punished and are in chains in some dark pit awaiting the end of this age and the final judgment of all. Where did you go off that rail?

And most who hold to the "angels had sex with women" also believe that God flooded the whole world because of that.

But you say God was okay with it, it was not sin, and you want to emulate them? .:unsure::oops::censored::oops::geek:
It's all just rationalization on his part. All too often, those enthralled with sin will attempt to perform incredible acts of hermeneutical gymnastics (often to a ridiculous degree) to attempt to gain approval for something they want but know is worldly and sinful. And when they also rail against the clear teaching of the Bible and attempt to twist it to suit their twisted agendas, you know they aren't operating within the will of the Lord.

I strongly suspect this entire topic was constructed for the sole purpose of getting to this point. Apparently, the OP got to the point about "being beaten" (losing rewards in his opinion), and then felt they established that and diverted to the true purpose of their topic, A.K.A. a stealth topic if you will.

I really feel this thread needs to be shut down; also, I advise considerable caution in the future should anyone seek to engage the OP in further "biblical discussions", given their propensity for not handling the word appropriately.

YBIC,

-Sojo414
 

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No they did not: "sons of God refers to those who followed the Lord, and "daughters of men" refers to those following the sinful ways of man. The Lord God is not going to allow someone to be born who is automatically damned simply because of something they cannot control: their lineage. As for Genesis 6's statement:

"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown." (Genesis 6:4 NASB, emphasis mine)

The "nephilim" ("giants") being in the land had nothing to do with the children being born to the sons of God and the daughters of Men; the emphasis here is the children born to the men and women were "men of reknown". This passage is simply describing that there happened to be giants around during the time that these women were producing prodigy that went on to be great.



Once again, they did not (as I have previously mentioned); that is your assumption, which is apparently based off of committing gross eisegesis and reading your opinion into Scripture. Frankly, you seem to have a very unhealthy obsession with sex in eternity, given your previous posts. Your posts assume much that is not in Scripture, and before you try the "left their first estates" argument, let me shoot that down:

"Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe. And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile angelic majesties. But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” (Jude 1:5-10, NASB, emphasis mine)

"Yet in the same way" does not mean that "they engaged in sex like the angels did"; it means as the angels left their assigned duties and joined Lucifer in his rebellion, Sodom and Gomorrah also rebelled against the Lord. Their sin was different, but the spirit of defying God's order and following their own wills was the same.



The Lord was already pretty explicit that we would "be as the angels, which neither give nor are given in marriage"; since sex is only supposed to take place within the protected confines of marriage, I believe the Lord's point is clearly made here. Yet you keep railing against it, apparently hoping that if you "find the right point or argument, you'll get the answer you want".

GOD'S WORD DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

Concerning your complaint of "Why are Christians so negative on sex?": it is not "negative", but protective. Sex is supposed to be within the safety and confines of marriage, where intimacy can be safely enjoyed and displayed without the depravity and harm of the slavering wolves that hunt about trying to slake their carnal desires.

As for your cry of "Why did GOD put the Song of Solomon in the bible?"; the Lord wanted to show a look of the growth, joy, and maturation of love between a man and woman in a proper way. It is a love poem, and needs to be read as such, but it is does not cancel out what the Lord taught in the book of Matthew.


Since this topic took the path it is now on, the way you come off is pretty disturbing, given that 1:) it has nothing to do with "being beaten in heaven", and 2) do you really consider this an appropriate topic for discussion on a Christian board, when Scripture commands us to:

"Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body. " (1 Corinthians 6:18-20, NASB, emphasis mine)


Your comments in the last several posts you put up come across like you're 16 with raging hormones, sir; I would not blame the ladies in this discussion one bit if they were becoming uncomfortable with your demeanor and lack of tact. On that note: if you complain about the "view" that "we Christians" have about sex (that makes me wonder: what are YOU then?"), then keep this in mind: If someone throws a fit because you set boundaries, it is even more evidence that those boundaries are needed.


GOD DOESN'T PLAY GAMES; HE HAS HIS RULES IN PLACE FOR A REASON.

And with that, congratulations: you just managed to make it onto my ignore list. I know you or someone else will probably post a "laugh emoji" or something to be "cute": I have that blocked via my ad blocker so I will never see it. I don't give mockery an avenue to affect me.

Goodbye.
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It's all just rationalization on his part. All too often, those enthralled with sin will attempt to perform incredible acts of hermeneutical gymnastics (often to a ridiculous degree) to attempt to gain approval for something they want but know is worldly and sinful. And when they also rail against the clear teaching of the Bible and attempt to twist it to suit their twisted agendas, you know they aren't operating within the will of the Lord.

I strongly suspect this entire topic was constructed for the sole purpose of getting to this point. Apparently, the OP got to the point about "being beaten" (losing rewards in his opinion), and then felt they established that and diverted to the true purpose of their topic, A.K.A. a stealth topic if you will.

I really feel this thread needs to be shut down; also, I advise considerable caution in the future should anyone seek to engage the OP in further "biblical discussions", given their propensity for not handling the word appropriately.

YBIC,

-Sojo414
This is very well done.
 

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Concerning your complaint of "Why are Christians so negative on sex?": it is not "negative", but protective. Sex is supposed to be within the safety and confines of marriage, where intimacy can be safely enjoyed and displayed without the depravity and harm of the slavering wolves that hunt about trying to slake their carnal desires.

Yes and why else is it protective?
 

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No they did not: "sons of God refers to those who followed the Lord, and "daughters of men" refers to those following the sinful ways of man. The Lord God is not going to allow someone to be born who is automatically damned simply because of something they cannot control: their lineage. As for Genesis 6's statement:

"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown." (Genesis 6:4 NASB, emphasis mine)

The "nephilim" ("giants") being in the land had nothing to do with the children being born to the sons of God and the daughters of Men; the emphasis here is the children born to the men and women were "men of reknown". This passage is simply describing that there happened to be giants around during the time that these women were producing prodigy that went on to be great.



Once again, they did not (as I have previously mentioned); that is your assumption, which is apparently based off of committing gross eisegesis and reading your opinion into Scripture. Frankly, you seem to have a very unhealthy obsession with sex in eternity, given your previous posts. Your posts assume much that is not in Scripture, and before you try the "left their first estates" argument, let me shoot that down:

"Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe. And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile angelic majesties. But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” (Jude 1:5-10, NASB, emphasis mine)

"Yet in the same way" does not mean that "they engaged in sex like the angels did"; it means as the angels left their assigned duties and joined Lucifer in his rebellion, Sodom and Gomorrah also rebelled against the Lord. Their sin was different, but the spirit of defying God's order and following their own wills was the same.



The Lord was already pretty explicit that we would "be as the angels, which neither give nor are given in marriage"; since sex is only supposed to take place within the protected confines of marriage, I believe the Lord's point is clearly made here. Yet you keep railing against it, apparently hoping that if you "find the right point or argument, you'll get the answer you want".

GOD'S WORD DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

Concerning your complaint of "Why are Christians so negative on sex?": it is not "negative", but protective. Sex is supposed to be within the safety and confines of marriage, where intimacy can be safely enjoyed and displayed without the depravity and harm of the slavering wolves that hunt about trying to slake their carnal desires.

As for your cry of "Why did GOD put the Song of Solomon in the bible?"; the Lord wanted to show a look of the growth, joy, and maturation of love between a man and woman in a proper way. It is a love poem, and needs to be read as such, but it is does not cancel out what the Lord taught in the book of Matthew.


Since this topic took the path it is now on, the way you come off is pretty disturbing, given that 1:) it has nothing to do with "being beaten in heaven", and 2) do you really consider this an appropriate topic for discussion on a Christian board, when Scripture commands us to:

"Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body. " (1 Corinthians 6:18-20, NASB, emphasis mine)


Your comments in the last several posts you put up come across like you're 16 with raging hormones, sir; I would not blame the ladies in this discussion one bit if they were becoming uncomfortable with your demeanor and lack of tact. On that note: if you complain about the "view" that "we Christians" have about sex (that makes me wonder: what are YOU then?"), then keep this in mind: If someone throws a fit because you set boundaries, it is even more evidence that those boundaries are needed.


GOD DOESN'T PLAY GAMES; HE HAS HIS RULES IN PLACE FOR A REASON.

And with that, congratulations: you just managed to make it onto my ignore list. I know you or someone else will probably post a "laugh emoji" or something to be "cute": I have that blocked via my ad blocker so I will never see it. I don't give mockery an avenue to affect me.

Goodbye.
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It's all just rationalization on his part. All too often, those enthralled with sin will attempt to perform incredible acts of hermeneutical gymnastics (often to a ridiculous degree) to attempt to gain approval for something they want but know is worldly and sinful. And when they also rail against the clear teaching of the Bible and attempt to twist it to suit their twisted agendas, you know they aren't operating within the will of the Lord.

I strongly suspect this entire topic was constructed for the sole purpose of getting to this point. Apparently, the OP got to the point about "being beaten" (losing rewards in his opinion), and then felt they established that and diverted to the true purpose of their topic, A.K.A. a stealth topic if you will.

I really feel this thread needs to be shut down; also, I advise considerable caution in the future should anyone seek to engage the OP in further "biblical discussions", given their propensity for not handling the word appropriately.

YBIC,

-Sojo414
""sons of God refers to those who followed the Lord, and "daughters of men" refers to those following the sinful ways of man. "....where does it even hint of that in the verses? That is something commentators dreamed up, because the couldn't accept what was really going on. It's like the commentators saying the Song of Solomon is about Christ love for the church. which isn't true.
 

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""sons of God refers to those who followed the Lord, and "daughters of men" refers to those following the sinful ways of man. "....where does it even hint of that in the verses? That is something commentators dreamed up, because the couldn't accept what was really going on. It's like the commentators saying the Song of Solomon is about Christ love for the church. which isn't true.

I had a feelin you would double down. :rolleyes:

@Sojourner414 is right on, you would do well to read his post over and over again and maybe the light of truth will break through!!
 

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I had a feelin you would double down. :rolleyes:

@Sojourner414 is right on, you would do well to read his post over and over again and maybe the light of truth will break through!!
Where does is say anywhere it's about the lines of Seth and Cain...and why are only women light and the men darkness?
 
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No they did not: "sons of God refers to those who followed the Lord, and "daughters of men" refers to those following the sinful ways of man. The Lord God is not going to allow someone to be born who is automatically damned simply because of something they cannot control: their lineage. As for Genesis 6's statement:


-Sojo414
If the Nephillim weren't damned, why did God kill them?

We know most of the Kites, like Amalekites were considered a Type of SIN, even those who possessed Israel's future Promised Land, before God's People did, were Nephilim that represented Satanic Sins and God wiped em out.

God, sent Moses, to Pharaoh, to Warn Pharaoh and give Egypt a chance to obey God.
God, NEVER did that for these Nephillim Tribes.
He got rid of them ASAP.

From the Hebrew Torah, since it's Painfully Obvious, you use the Greek Septuagint [KJV], for your Old Testament:

וַיִּרְא֤וּ בְנֵי־הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶת־בְּנ֣וֹת הָֽאָדָ֔ם כִּ֥י טֹבֹ֖ת הֵ֑נָּה וַיִּקְח֤וּ לָהֶם֙ נָשִׁ֔ים מִכֹּ֖ל אֲשֶׁ֥ר בָּחָֽרוּ׃
the [males among the] divine beings saw how pleasing the human women were and took wives from among those who delighted them.

7 In the same way as these angels, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after a different sort of flesh are displayed as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.


Maybe read the Entire Bible, the REAL Bibvle [Tanakh for the Old Testament][even the Torah was inside the Ark of the Covenant inside the Temple, inside the Holy of Hollies][God's CHOICE of Bible for His Temple and Holy of Hollies], before thinking, you know, what these Angels DID and Did Not DO!