Is personal prophecy scriptural?

[ResidentAlien]

“This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4‬:‭2‬-‭3‬, ‭6‬ ‭NIV‬‬

This is a good safety check initially . Checking for the presence of the fruit of the Spirit compared to what the Spirit is prompting is another good cross check. There are several other ways as in Applying Jesus teachings to our modern day situations as well in dealing with spirits . Fact is What Jesus told His followers2,000 years ago is still applicable today. It’s not perfection but we will learn just as the 12 and even the 72 did. If the 72 were able- they weren’t even the closest followers of Jesus it can still be possible with us today. It’s only a matter of how surrendered our lives are to Christ and what the Holy Spirit will enable as we become more surrendered to Christ.

So as long as someone acknowledges that Jesus came in the flesh; and they seem to be bearing good fruit, we can trust them? What if they meet those two criteria but they teach another Jesus, like the Catholic Jesus for example?

 

[Beckie]

scripture as meaning the written word of God.The 3rd member of the trinity Holy Spirit within the believer(Christ in us) will NOT contradict what is written. He only speaks what He hears from the Son. If something we hear spiritually contradicts written word then it isn’t Holy Spirit and we are to engage in spiritual warfare at that point against the foul spirits.

I think i understand you better Thanks

 

[FollowingtheWay]

“This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4‬:‭2‬-‭3‬, ‭6‬ ‭NIV‬‬

This is a good safety check initially . Checking for the presence of the fruit of the Spirit compared to what the Spirit is prompting is another good cross check. There are several other ways as in Applying Jesus teachings to our modern day situations as well in dealing with spirits . Fact is What Jesus told His followers2,000 years ago is still applicable today. It’s not perfection but we will learn just as the 12 and even the 72 did. If the 72 were able- they weren’t even the closest followers of Jesus it can still be possible with us today. It’s only a matter of how surrendered our lives are to Christ and what the Holy Spirit will enable as we become more surrendered to Christ.

One other thing I’m reminded of. Jesus explained the Spirit to Nicodemus.
“The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.””
‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭8‬ ‭NIV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/111/jhn.3.8.NIV

So as long as someone acknowledges that Jesus came in the flesh; and they seem to be bearing good fruit, we can trust them? What if they meet those two criteria but they teach another Jesus, like the Catholic Jesus for example?

then they wouldn’t be teaching biblically and we should confront them determine weather they are teaching from a misguided idea- restore in loving ways gently or in the boldness that we are encouraged to have against the wolves.

 

[ResidentAlien]

then they wouldn’t be teaching biblically and we should confront them determine weather they are teaching from a misguided idea- restore in loving ways gently or in the boldness that we are encouraged to have against the wolves.

So when it comes right down to it, sound theology is the measuring stick we should be using.

 

[FollowingtheWay]

So when it comes right down to it, sound theology is the measuring stick we should be using.

It’s a lot of it but even the most perfect theologically or memorized doctrine cannot be sufficient. We need Holy Spirit to guide us through the unknown life situations where maybe there isn’t a direct theological application we can remember at that moment or we can’t recall a specific verse but we can ultimately pray and trust Holy Spirit to guide our words, actions in the way that will be in agreement with Gods written word as long as we are surrendered. I remember hearing from a ministry I follow that the early Celtic (non Romanized ) Christians called Holy Spirit the wild Goose. I feel so far in my short time as a believer to be an accurate comparison.

 

[Niki7]

Perhaps the question should have been asked as follows:

Is the biblical gift of prophecy given for private use?

Or, is it given for the building up of the body of Christ?

 

[Niki7]

It’s a lot of it but even the most perfect theologically or memorized doctrine cannot be sufficient. We need Holy Spirit to guide us through the unknown life situations where maybe there isn’t a direct theological application we can remember at that moment or we can’t recall a specific verse but we can ultimately pray and trust Holy Spirit to guide our words, actions in the way that will be in agreement with Gods written word as long as we are surrendered. I remember hearing from a ministry I follow that the early Celtic (non Romanized ) Christians called Holy Spirit the wild Goose. I feel so far in my short time as a believer to be an accurate comparison.

Doctrine, understood properly and under the teaching and guidance of the Holy Spirit is sufficient. Doctrine would include Paul's letters to the Corinthians who were in very bad need of instruction as so much of the church in North America is today.

The Holy Spirit is not a wild goose even if the wild Celts thought He was.

 

[Karlon]

the canon is closed, no more prophecy. don't need anymore. prophecy in old testament is about Jesus & prophecy in new testament is in revelation.

 

[Niki7]

the canon is closed, no more prophecy. don't need anymore. prophecy in old testament is about Jesus & prophecy in new testament is in revelation.

Are you able to point to any post wherein someone wants to add to the Bible? I haven't seen one.

 

[FollowingtheWay]

Perhaps the question should have been asked as follows:

Is the biblical gift of prophecy given for private use?

Or, is it given for the building up of the body of Christ?

As a believer biblically aren’t those the same. When one becomes a Christian isn’t he to surrender his old life, his old ways, his private life is universal church life? Biblically there isn’t a separate sacred/secular life. Perhaps this is why we don’t see much of the gifts we do life as every unbeliever and go to church. Viewing church as an event not a lifestyle. Shouldent our mindset be I am a part of the body of the universal church and I bring the spirit of God with me wherever I go?

 

[FollowingtheWay]

Doctrine, understood properly and under the teaching and guidance of the Holy Spirit is sufficient. Doctrine would include Paul's letters to the Corinthians who were in very bad need of instruction as so much of the church in North America is today.

The Holy Spirit is not a wild goose even if the wild Celts thought He was.

That was a pretty quick response. Did ya even bother to look up the reasons why they may have called Holy Spirit the wild goose? Or is a religious spirit getting in the way
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https://bible.com/bible/111/luk.3.16.NIV

 

[Niki7]

As a believer biblically aren’t those the same. When one becomes a Christian isn’t he to surrender his old life, his old ways, his private life is universal church life? Biblically there isn’t a separate sacred/secular life. Perhaps this is why we don’t see much of the gifts we do life as every unbeliever and go to church. Viewing church as an event not a lifestyle. Shouldent our mindset be I am a part of the body of the universal church and I bring the spirit of God with me wherever I go?

nope

I understand you are a new believer. What are you calling the universal church? The NT has teaching on the spiritual gifts that far too many choose to ignore in order to get that 'wild goosie' feeling.

You seem to be directing or trying to direct, my response to confirm what you say. That is not going to happen. Maybe check out some of my posts to understand where I am coming from. We have far too much abuse of the gifts and there is a lack of proper teaching on them.

 

[Niki7]

That was a pretty quick response. Did ya even bother to look up the reasons why they may have called Holy Spirit the wild goose? Or is a religious spirit getting in the way
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https://bible.com/bible/111/luk.3.16.NIV

And under whose inspiration did you write the above? smh

 

[FollowingtheWay]

calling the universal church?

Only one of the core doctrines of the faith. All the independents, denominations , are a part of the larger church of Christ. God doesn’t recognize denominational lines. He sees 1 Church body. It’s one of the doctrines of the faith outlined in the Apostles creed. there are thousands of Jesus preaching churches around the globe each with belief in the core Truth of Jesus. Many differences on minor doctrine but it’s the unity that is important. If a member of a Bethel, a member of Lutheran, a Pentecostal, a Baptist and a member of a SDA can get together and talk on the core truths of the faith and manage to look past each other’s differences and reflect the heart of Jesus while building the Kingdom that’s a good thing.

 

[Niki7]

Only one of the core doctrines of the faith. All the independents, denominations , are a part of the larger church of Christ. God doesn’t recognize denominational lines. He sees 1 Church body. It’s one of the doctrines of the faith outlined in the Apostles creed. there are thousands of Jesus preaching churches around the globe each with belief in the core Truth of Jesus. Many differences on minor doctrine but it’s the unity that is important. If a member of a Bethel, a member of Lutheran, a Pentecostal, a Baptist and a member of a SDA can get together and talk on the core truths of the faith and manage to look past each other’s differences and reflect the heart of Jesus while building the Kingdom that’s a good thing.

Yeah I'm not buying that. I am familiar with all those groups and the differences are the preaching of a different gospel...not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I knew what you were hinting at; I just wanted you to express better. Saying the gifts have ceased (basically Baptist) to saying you must speak in tongues to be saved (certain Pentecostals) to various other practices are not minor differences.

Are you SDA?

 

[FollowingtheWay]

Yeah I'm not buying that. I am familiar with all those groups and the differences are the preaching of a different gospel...not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I knew what you were hinting at; I just wanted you to express better. Saying the gifts have ceased (basically Baptist) to saying you must speak in tongues to be saved (certain Pentecostals) to various other practices are not minor differences.

Are you SDA?

I’m a follower of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ attending a Protestant,non-denominational Jesus preaching church. And I’m sorry you don’t believe in church unity. Rather unfortunate because that’s what the Bible actually teaches. Is unity and you can see Jesus’ prayer in John 17 intending unity. Do you really think that there will be separate Baptist sections of heaven or a Pentecostal corner? Nah. That’s not the heart of Jesus expressed in John 17.
““My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.””
‭‭John‬ ‭17‬:‭20‬-‭26‬ ‭NIV‬‬

If you have a problem with church unity or anything I’ve said. I encourage you to maybe take that to the Lord in prayer and process that keeping John 17 in mind while processing.

 

[Niki7]

I’m a follower of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ attending a Protestant,non-denominational Jesus preaching church. And I’m sorry you don’t believe in church unity. Rather unfortunate because that’s what the Bible actually teaches. Is unity and you can see Jesus’ prayer in John 17 intending unity. Do you really think that there will be separate Baptist sections of heaven or a Pentecostal corner? Nah. That’s not the heart of Jesus expressed in John 17.
““My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.””
‭‭John‬ ‭17‬:‭20‬-‭26‬ ‭NIV‬‬

If you have a problem with church unity or anything I’ve said. I encourage you to maybe take that to the Lord in prayer and process that keeping John 17 in mind while processing.

Why so defensive? A yes or no answer was all that was required. We have an ignore button here, so no, no problem at all

That entire little speech you came back with is way out of place and you do not seem to comprehend what I actually said.

smh

 

[FollowingtheWay]

Why so defensive? A yes or no answer was all that was required. We have an ignore button here, so no, no problem at all

smh

I think you are confusing defensiveness with passion and zeal. Sometimes one has to communicate precisely, clearly, thoroughly be loving and assertive- speaking truth in love- at the same time to not be misunderstood by others in something as deep as this conversation has gone on an impersonal web forum like this. Some like to twist the slightest mistake in description to suggest something you don’t mean. So please pardon my directness.

 

[Zandar]

when i first read that, i read 'is personal property scriptural'

 

[Inquisitor]

IF this were completely true and the NT makes a man of God complete, then why are so many of the preachers,teachers, pastors of many solid bible preaching churches both Protestant and Catholic. Denominational or non-denominational so easily falling into sin , temptations and controversy? what makes all those catholic priests commit such atrocities to young boys and hide their perversion from a church body?- men who religiously study the Bible. Could it be they are preaching in the flesh and not by the annointing of Holy Spirit? Could it as this scripture says?

“He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3‬:‭6‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Yes we need doctrine but we need Holy Spirit just as much today as the apostles did then. Proper doctrine and correct theology are not enough.

You have posted the perfect answer and verse.

The Holy Spirit constructs the perfect church by the ministries and gifts of the Holy Spirit.

There is a tremendous difference between a church constructed on tradition. Compared with a church assembled through the Holy Spirit.